A lengthy report from Eugene

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blungld
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Being one of about 10-20 Cal fans that stayed the whole game (not counting the band), please indulge the long post.

Let me start by saying that I have been going to Cal games for over 30 years and that was only matched by 1994 61-0 at USC in terms of a total downer. And I don't mean in terms of the crappy weather or the bad loss, just how it felt. It was completely demoralizing. The team came unhinged in a lot of ways. We all thought we would be 1-3, but I hoped we would improve week to week and I thought we would win 6 of the remaining and be a "hot" team by season's end. I am now worried about the team's morale. Yes, many played hard all night, but that was a badly beaten team that better be handled just so or the wheels will come off.

There were some proud, tough young men on the Cal sidelines that looked completely humbled and mentally beaten at the end. They need to regroup big time.

Here is a grab bag of other observations from this my third trip to see a game here:

- As always, Eugene is beautiful. Not even the rain could spoil that. Duck fans have their pockets of heavy drinkers that get obnoxious, but over all they are a lot of salt of the earth types with not much more to get passionate about (sports wise) then their Ducks. They are very committed fans and, while not as hospitable as say a Tennessee, they're not bad. The locals care more about the Ducks than do the students which is interesting. All that good said, they are one of the most myopic fan basis I've met. You talk about seeing your team through blinders, well they are very very biased and will forgive a lot for their beloved Ducks. I suppose that kind of "compromising of values" is the one thing that knocks them down a peg in my mind. Most of these kind people would not philosophically support some of the purchasing of a program and pushing of the envelope in any other arena of their life. Enough said on that.

- Stadium are something to behold. Very well set up for tailgating and fan experience. Again, the caveat here is it puts on full display the hypocrisy of student-athlete when your facilities outshine professional teams. But hey, it's a great place to watch a game.

- Atmosphere is pretty darn good. A lot of captivating spectacle that still feels collegiate. If I were a player, I'd be excited by it. Makes some of the commercialism and ongoing trend towards generic at Memorial look that much worse. They have several cheers and "moments" that get the players and fans very jacked up. Their fans have totally bought in and create a very positive and emotional setting. It's not haughty and entitled like USC. It does, however, ring a little tin at moments when some of the traditions feel recently created under their new success. Sort of nouveau riche--but who can blame them.

- Cal fans. What a disappointment. The turn out was very very small and quiet. Band was great, but it felt like there were 500 of us and we were not a loud or intimidating bunch. The contrast to what Ohio State brought and what I've seen out of our fans before, made this a pretty sad showing. Add to that that up through halftime I had met only pretty decent Duck fans and the first prick of the evening was a dour, whiny Cal fan pushing his way down the aisle with a big frown (generally being crusty and bitter the whole half)--did not make me love our crew.

- That game was so sloppy. I know fumbles are hustle plays, but come on. We needed a break in this game and 7 minutes in we have lost all three of our fumbles and they've recovered all three of theirs? God hates us.

- All day long I'd see our backs gash off a congested tackle or just try and squeeze through tiny gaps with fake by QB that no one was buying and never provided a counter play...while Oregon backs actually succeeded on the very jukes that have left our backs trampled all season so far--they were able to jump stop in gaps a yard beyond the line of scrimmage and assess cut backs. Bigs has lost explosion and our line is not opening up holes.

- Kline looked like a leader on the field. He looked strong and brought energy to the field. The way he steps up into the pocket to avoid pressure is a thing of beauty. I've been rooting for this kid and he looked good. That said (and I am surprised I am saying this), Goff is a much better passer. Goff throws a variety of passes and seems to read quicker and better. Kline threw balls he shouldn't and had some uncatchable passes when receivers were very open. Yes weather effected this and yes Goff has thrown into coverage too--but not the same glaring errors that Kline seemed to make. It's tough. In Kline you have real leader and a guy that would start at 90% of the teams and looks like an NFL prospect. Goff fits this offense better though. I hope they both stay and play.

- I did everything in my power to be unbiased towards the refs, but boy were they influenced by home crowd (something I have never felt that we are a reverse beneficiary of except back in Harmon days). There were so many holds directly at the point of attack that go uncalled. I've seen this every Oregon game for the past 3-4 years. The body of evidence is pretty clear that it is built into their system and I can't believe coaches haven't pressured conference more on this. The PI in endzone on Kline interception was really really bad. It was more than a little contact while ball was in the air...but Kline should not have thrown that and Whitehurst (was that him) ran the softest root and pouted after the play. Weak. It all happened right in front of me and I was mad and embarrassed at the same time.
blungld
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CONTINUED, PART TWO

- At halftime the stadium emptied in a way I've never seen before. The rain and wind were really uncomfortable. I was miserable and teeth chattering...I was so tempted to go...but I knew Cal was coming back on the field and dealing with the same mess so I sucked it up. I moved from the Cal section and went down to Oregon donor section right behind Cal bench. There was not one Cal fan on my side of the stadium. There were maybe 20 Cal fans still in the Cal section in the end zone. There were maybe 8,000-5,000 Duck fans remaining (maybe).

In my section there were about 50 Duck fans spared out in pairs every other row. Sparse. But those that were there the ones looking for trouble. It was a little scary. They had moved down to the front row and were heckling the Cal bench mercilessly. One group was being somewhat witty, while two other groups were just drunk and way out of line. I was getting looks and felt the heat.

Seeing The Cal players up close and beaten their bodies were and how they were trying to rally one another made it all far more personal then on TV or from 50 rows up. I've watched probably 20 games actually on the sidelines, but this felt even more intimate. 15 feet away looking at these guys soaking wet, in the middle of a drubbing, with these jerk fans calling them names. I really was moved and reminded they are 18 year old kids playing for their school. I rowed at Cal and faced some tough tough weather and physical challenges that beat me up pretty good, but this was worse

I felt so bad that I moved to the front row and starting yelling "Go Bears. Hang in there." Security moved close to me and looked like they were going to throw me out, but I just kept saying positive things and not confronting any Ducks. So they backed off.

Then things got really tense. I don't want to give too many details, but the two worst duck fans crossed a personal line and the father of one of the Cal players went after them. There was a full face off. I was worried that fists were seconds away--both had them cocked. I said some things to try and calm the situation and the Cal players turned and started addressing it to. No fight, but it wasn't pretty and the rest of the game was VERY heated. A cal player had to be restrained from going into the stands and there were some meltdowns on the bench--some directed at Duck fans, some directed at themselves, and some directed at team mates.

I kept trying to be supportive and yelling Go Bears. I don' think I did any good, but I felt good for trying. I was half expecting to get clocked in the back of the head at some point--but I kept looking forward and avoiding escalating things in the stands.

- Post game was a sea of green. I did not see ONE Cal fan until I met two stragglers back at my hotel. I took a shuttle bus and was the only one in blue & gold packed inside with a bunch of gloating Ducks. They were given me the major stink and all kept flashing very condescending laughs and smiles like our team was a joke that gave them no competition. While factually that was true, it felt a little low and unnecessary. Should have gotten some props for sticking it out. Man it sucks to be looked at like a cellar dweller again. I was hoping I'd never experience the lows like this again.

- Dykes has some things to prove for sure. How he handles this mental state is his biggest test. Injuries, talent, and schedule have stacked the deck against him. I just hope recruiting doesn't take a hit and that a whirlpool conspires against him. He's not exactly getting a break. He seems a good man though and I think he can coach--we just need some talent to mature, some recruits to come, and the facilities to start paying off and we can right the ship--but that ship is more water logged than I had let myself believe.

- Last comment, I know it is wishful thinking, but I do hope that the Cal players know how much we support them. Yeah there was not an impressive showing by our fans last night, but those that were there endured a lot. And like the team the fanbase needs some rebuilding. We had bandwagoners in our DJ days that didn't care about Cal values and the "modernization" of Memorial has killed a lot of what makes Cal special. We need some lore masters to carry the torch from yell leader to yell leader and rebuild the student base. And Cal marketing needs an overhaul. We fans, and even how we conduct ourselves on these message boards, are part of the Sonny project. We can be great again. And more importantly we can be great on our terms and when we are, we will be the envy of others who point to Cal and say "That is what a football program should look like. That's what I want ours to be."

Do your part! Go Bears.
HaasBear04
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Wow what a phenomenal post. We just need to clone you about 200000 times and then we'll be taking over other teams stadiums a la ohio state.

Go bears!
510Bear
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HaasBear04;842186641 said:

Wow what a phenomenal post. We just need to clone you about 200000 times and then we'll be taking over other teams stadiums a la ohio state.

Go bears!


But all we need is one of him to write such a good report. Thank you for taking the time to share all of that. And for putting your money where your mouth is in terms of being a fan.

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blungld
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Thanks much. Glad it was worth the time to read.

The back and forth between Cal players and Ducks fans got nasty--most tense I've been at a game. Gulp.
KoreAmBear
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blungld;842186664 said:

Thanks much. Glad it was worth the time to read.

The back and forth between Cal players and Ducks fans got nasty--most tense I've been at a game. Gulp.


Incredible posts. Thanks for sharing, but more importantly, for sticking it out. There are very decent Oregon fans, but I have seen some of them to be the most obnoxiously amoral (a word you used for NYC wall street bankers) fan base in college football. I had a tiff after the 2010 Oregon game with some recent Oregon "graduate" on Twitter. That person had no line which he would not cross. It started off witty, but when he got offended, there was nowhere he would not go. It got to where I wound up reporting him for what I believed to be met the definition of child porn (I am completely serious about this). This is the sickening part of their program, that they have elements of that in their fan base. Now they have gotten over their Willie Lyles hurdle, it may get worse before it gets any better.
TightwadHill99
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Great post. Great fan.
dupdadee
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Insightful post. Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
paul916
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blungld;842186664 said:

Thanks much. Glad it was worth the time to read.

The back and forth between Cal players and Ducks fans got nasty--most tense I've been at a game. Gulp.



That's too bad. As a player, you can't let the fans get to you. Ever.

Sadly, shows a lack of mental discipline.
82gradDLSdad
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I was almost ready to tell my wife that we could start planning a trip to Eugene for the next Cal game there until you mentioned incidents that we have always heard about. My wife and I will not go to Eugene to watch a Cal football game. I realize that 90% of the Oregon fans are probably just like us but it is the other 10% that make them seem like Raider fans (or at least the perception I have of Raider fans).

I really appreciate the details that you took time to post. I always stay for the entire game and I always pay attention to what the coaches and players are doing on the sideline. The sideline tells a lot about a team. Sonny has a big job ahead of him and quite frankly I'm not yet convinced that he can do it. But he does get the chance. I just really want to see us play better football in all areas. Right now we are poor in almost every one and that is mostly on the coaches.

Thanks again for the post. It is a great one.
blungld
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Yes, I have seen that strain too.

Not to stir the put too much with an uncalled for analogy, but it is sort of like many sicky sweet Christians I know who talk all about loving others & Jesus and then spend all their time judging others to hell (and aligning themselves politically and philosophically with the exact people Christ would have despised)... a lot of these Duck fans are rural types with traditional values and stereotypical country dispositions, but have sold themselves out for the flash, materialism, and ultimately the success of Nikeville. The worst part of this is not being honest with yourself that that's who you are what you're doing...but trying to still be all "aw shucks" while also being the poster children of trendy (from offensive scheme to extravagant facilities to the metallic uniform roulette, etc) and looking the other way to athlete's transgressions. They are often disingenuous at best.

Still, on the whole, I like the Ducks fans and they easily are better than ASU, USC, and Washington (and probably WSU, UCLA, and Arizona too).
rathokan
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thank you for your post. can you detail what measures, if any, security was taking to make sure these flare ups didn't escalate? you should never have to fear for your life at a ballgame... especially given what's gone one between the Giants and Dodgers lately and some of the incidents at Candlestick in years past
blungld
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Yeah, I know. I was yelling "Turn around Bears. Eyes on the field."

Once the fans knew they had the players listening, they smelled blood. A few comments were clever fan heckling, but most was bonehead tough guy posturing from the safety of the stands. Wanted so badly to say something. Wanted even more badly for one Duck fan to stand up against their own and say knock it off.

I really hate the part of people that can only be happy if they are superior to others. It is the smallest most petty aspect of our psyche. Why not just celebrate your team's success? Why is it only fun if the other guys are miserable? Truly sick. Hate it when I see Cal fans do the same--that's why I have always detested the "you suck" cheer. Not because it's juvenile, but because it's pathological.
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I've always felt most duck fans are as$holes. They travel drunk and stupid and there male fans are worse.
510Bear
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blungld;842186758 said:

Not to stir the put too much with an uncalled for analogy, but it is sort of like many sicky sweet Christians I know who talk all about loving others & Jesus and then spend all their time judging others to hell (and aligning themselves politically and philosophically with the exact people Christ would have despised)... a lot of these Duck fans are rural types with traditional values and stereotypical country dispositions, but have sold themselves out for the flash, materialism, and ultimately the success of Nikeville. The worst part of this is not being honest with yourself that that's who you are what you're doing...but trying to still be all "aw shucks" while also being the poster children of trendy (from offensive scheme to extravagant facilities to the metallic uniform roulette, etc) and looking the other way to athlete's transgressions. They are often disingenuous at best.


Some have said Oregon State fans are going down that road a little too...

Though for the most part, it seems like they're a breath of fresh air compared to the duck crowd.
blungld
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82gradDLSdad;842186756 said:

I was almost ready to tell my wife that we could start planning a trip to Eugene for the next Cal game there until you mentioned incidents that we have always heard about. My wife and I will not go to Eugene to watch a Cal football game. I realize that 90% of the Oregon fans are probably just like us but it is the other 10% that make them seem like Raider fans (or at least the perception I have of Raider fans).


It's not Raider fan at all. You should go. The element is in every stadium. Half the PAC 12 is worse. It's a great stadium and visiting Portland and the campus here is well worth it. in 99.9% of the time confrontation is two way street--it's what you project and making smart decisions.

Go!
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510Bear;842186778 said:

Some have said Oregon State fans are going down that road a little too...

Though for the most part, it seems like they're a breath of fresh air compared to the duck crowd.


I have nothing but good things to say about my experience with fans at Oregon State last year. Much like Ohio State, fans inviting me into their tailgates, giving me their extra tickets under cover in the rainstorm, etc.
blungld
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rathokan;842186765 said:

thank you for your post. can you detail what measures, if any, security was taking to make sure these flare ups didn't escalate? you should never have to fear for your life at a ballgame... especially given what's gone one between the Giants and Dodgers lately and some of the incidents at Candlestick in years past


I agree with you.

I never feared for my life, but I suppose you never know when punch does more damage than you would expect. Security was very much supporting the Duck fans--just a few looks like "That was a good one, but let's take it down a bit". One laughed at the heckles.

But I was trying my best to avoid eye contact with security because i wanted to stay there and my ticket was for Cal section. Security should have been there to separate Cal parent from hecklers for sure...and maybe addressed the fans to stop the direct verbal confrontations with specific individual players. On the whole I thought the Cal players handled themselves with class. I felt bad for them--but they should never have acknowledged the yellers...maybe they couldn't once it involved a parent.
Phantomfan
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Huh... A post that starts by praising those backwoods yokels and finishes by describing exactly why their fans are the worst in America.

Eugene is a **** hole and their fans should be executed.
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blungld;842186781 said:

in 99.9% of the time confrontation is two way street--it's what you project and making smart decisions.


An excellent point. The way some people describe it, you'd think going to sports events = being at war with hostile opposing fans (and maybe the police) ALL THE TIME.
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blungld;842186781 said:

It's not Raider fan at all. You should go. The element is in every stadium. Half the PAC 12 is worse. It's a great stadium and visiting Portland and the campus here is well worth it. in 99.9% of the time confrontation is two way street--it's what you project and making smart decisions.

Go!


No. This is bull. Oregon is set up as arrogant to begin with. They are extremely confrontational and the stadium allows heavy alcohol use via the in-out policy at half time. It is not as bad physically as ASU but they make up for it in spades.

As for confrontation. It is a lot of energy to avoid one when people are looking for it. You yourself claimed you felt a physical attack was imminent because you were supporting your team. So much so that you refused to look around you? For fear eye contact would cause physical violence?



Way to sell the experience.
blungld
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Phantomfan;842186803 said:

Huh... A post that starts by praising those backwoods yokels and finishes by describing exactly why their fans are the worst in America.

Eugene is a **** hole and their fans should be executed.


Come on, they are passionate fans with a few bad seeds (especially after a few too many beers), and yes a little hypocritical, but they are hospitable and decent overall.
blungld
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Phantomfan;842186816 said:

No. This is bull. Oregon is set up as arrogant to begin with. They are extremely confrontational and the stadium allows heavy alcohol use via the in-out policy at half time. It is not as bad physically as ASU but they make up for it in spades.

As for confrontation. It is a lot of energy to avoid one when people are looking for it. You yourself claimed you felt a physical attack was imminent because you were supporting your team. So much so that you refused to look around you? For fear eye contact would cause physical violence?



Way to sell the experience.


Well, when you put it that way, maybe we should execute them ;-)

You must have had a far worse experience than me. Mine was dramatic and I've described what I saw and thought (maybe more dramatic in writing), but i would go again and don't begrudge the Ducks. There is much to emulate actually.
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I also appreciate the long post and especially the info from the 2nd half. thanks
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510Bear;842186811 said:

An excellent point. The way some people describe it, you'd think going to sports events = being at war with hostile opposing fans (and maybe the police) ALL THE TIME.


Some of us might not relish the scared of an attack but didn't get attacked because we changed normal human behavior drastically vibe.

Dude said he was smart because he refused to even look around? That he was constantly trying to defuse escalating situations?

I have been to dozens of stadiums and been around fans of hundreds of teams and only in a few have I even come across the need to worry about deescalation. I would say most teams fans don't reach a point where escalating to constant verbal abuse, let alone violence is even remotely an option. Very few places put one on the "avoid getting your ass kicked" footing. Oregon does.

I have yet to meet an Oregon fan who does not START with verbal abuse and physical posturing. When the choice is avoid potentially violent confrontation or defuse confrontations I pick avoid when possible. Going to oregon is ASKING to spend a weekend defusing and defensive. Even the road rage on the drive up is always atrocious if you have the nerve to show you are an outsider.
blungld
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Phantomfan;842186828 said:

Some of us might not relish the scared of an Dude said he was smart because he refused to even look around? That he was constantly trying to defuse escalating situations?



The other possibility being, of course, that I am a big pussy.

Another criticism of people in general, not just Duck fans, but why the need to "vanquish" the foe. To make the defeated visitors feel shame that they have come and sullied your grounds. Did you not want the visiting fans to attend? Did you want your team to scrimmage and not play another team? It's another example of nonsensical testosterone thinking.

And I have seen more than my share of that on frat row of Cal--yelling at opposing fans as they leave. Ready to fight if the away fan shows any pride or backtalk. It's embarrassing.
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blungld;842186820 said:

Well, when you put it that way, maybe we should execute them ;-)

You must have had a far worse experience than me. Mine was dramatic and I've described what I saw and thought (maybe more dramatic in writing), but i would go again and don't begrudge the Ducks. There is much to emulate actually.


I would jump at a chance to go to a game as a natural observer. The atmosphere trumps and SEC experience in my book. Little smaller but much louder.

But, no. My experience was not as bad as some other stadiums. Fresno for example. The threat of it being that bad was CONSTANT. All weekend it seemed everyone was looking to ridicule us or fight us. Very exhausting to not be able to relax.


The toll being aware of who wants to fight and avoiding them is unmatched. Aside from that and the yearly thumping I would love to go again. I just make avoiding situations a priority over dealing with them.
Unit2Sucks
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Great post blungld, thanks for taking the time to tell your story. More worthwhile read than anything you would get from the media about the action on the field.
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Great posts, blungld. Sorry to hear about the classless fans you encountered. While I've found Ducks fans to have their fair share of,"sore winners" in the past, this year didn't seem so bad. We had one guy behind us whose comments were annoying, but didn't come close to crossing the line. You win with class, you lose with class. When all is said and done, when it comes to your school, you have your character and your degree. The games are just that: games. How one handles the good and the bad can define them. Congrats to you for sticking it out, supporting the Cal bench, and doing your best to avoid a very ugly situation.

We stayed to the bitter end, being cold and soaked to the bone, facing a five-hour drive home. Instead of leaving early (at least 90% of the fans were gone by the second half, including almost the entire student section), we moved down close to the band, even had some nice conversations with the sousaphone players.

It would be nice to have a way for BearInsiders to meet before,during, after games. It didn't help that we arrived only about 30 minutes before game time and, again, with a 5-hour drive ahead, didn't stick around Eugene after. Perhaps next year in Corvallis... or this year in Seattle. Who's coming up here in four weeks? I already have 10 tickets for that game.
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blungld;842186833 said:

The other possibility being, of course, that I am a big pussy
And I have seen more than my share of that on frat row of Cal--yelling at opposing fans as they leave. Ready to fight if the away fan shows any pride or backtalk. It's embarrassing.


Embarrassing for sure.

I am a puss now, too. Too many good or lucky fighters in the world. Too good of a family and job. Too fat and slow and out of shape. Happens.


BTW, that wood overhang over the donors is the coolest stadium touch I have seen. Awesome in person.
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Thanks, BGgreat post. All the elements of a damn good read, a sense of place foremost, I instantly imagined all the scenes come to life, ably colored by various psychological underpinnings.

Anybody reading you over the years can't help but feel you are a really good guy. Long may you rock, Brother Bear.
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blungld;842186820 said:

Well, when you put it that way, maybe we should execute them ;-)

You must have had a far worse experience than me. Mine was dramatic and I've described what I saw and thought (maybe more dramatic in writing), but i would go again and don't begrudge the Ducks. There is much to emulate actually.


Seriously? Emulate what? A second rate education while selling your soul to the almighty God of sports apparel Nike.
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but why the need to "vanquish" the foe. To make the defeated visitors feel shame that they have come and sullied your grounds. Did you not want the visiting fans to attend?


I don't get that either. There's one team in the Pac-12 that's consistently the worst when it comes to that. Hint: their mascot "stabs" the visiting team's field and their band used to have parades for road games (at least at Cal in 2003)
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blungld;842186758 said:

Yes, I have seen that strain too.

Not to stir the put too much with an uncalled for analogy, but it is sort of like many sicky sweet Christians I know who talk all about loving others & Jesus and then spend all their time judging others to hell (and aligning themselves politically and philosophically with the exact people Christ would have despised)...


I hope in the future you meet better Christians. Like the Duck fans, you'd get along nicely with most of us, but your experience can easily be tainted by the ones who act in poor taste.
SonOfCalVa
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Should be interesting reading (hope it's reported) about the dawgie fans meeting the f'd duckie fans. Those two schools have ample reasons for continuing their warfare as neither "university" has much going for it other than football, which Whoregon has dominated. Now the dawgie boyz feel "up" for a confrontation, tired of being f'd duckie bytches.
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