Im interested to see just which players will return and which ones will decide to transfer even it means sitting out a year or transfering to a lower division school.

i wonder which fans will transfer

socalimamma;842225014 said:

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Im interested to see just which players will return and which ones will decide to transfer even it means sitting out a year or transfering to a lower division school.

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Isn't it the rats that are the first to leave a sinking ship?

Funny. This is what I say to my kids at the home games when fans start bailing early. "Looks like the rats are leaving the ship." Never leave early--till the bitter end.

Which assistant coaches get thrown on the sword for this debacle? And who on earth can Sonny get to replace them?

socalimamma;842225014 said:

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Im interested to see just which players will return and which ones will decide to transfer even it means sitting out a year or transfering to a lower division school.

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It will be interesting. It's no fun to play for a doormat.

yeah ... transfers by all those guys that are here just for football, not a degree from THE University of California.
Are you a fuskie? :p

socalimamma;842225014 said:

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Im interested to see just which players will return and which ones will decide to transfer even it means sitting out a year or transfering to a lower division school.

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I think it's a legit question. Right now I would counsel players to leave it they had a redshirt year!!! Even if they did not have that year and they had thoughts of heading to the league I would still tell them to leave. This program right now is a joke. Get out if you can!!!

82gradDLSdad;842225088 said:

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Which assistant coaches get thrown on the sword for this debacle? And who on earth can Sonny get to replace them?

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I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised to see defensive changes. What other team in America has two dine coaches?
There is huge pressure for this staff now. Adjustments will likely happen somehow.

I had a chance to sit with some Bearants at the USC game. Parents and family were exceptional people and very friendly.

I did ask what the state of their son's mindset was and the team in general given the state of things. I was surprised by the answer. While obviously disappointed, the father said his son and teammates he'd spoken with "love Coach Dykes" and they're excited for the future.

I guess in that situation you have no choice but to just keep grinding, but I wonder how many players share that sentiment.

Hopefully this is at last rock bottom. Thankfully Stanford won't be pissed off going into next week... oh wait

Almost all of them. They aren't going to run away even if that was practical.

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I think it's a legit question. Right now I would counsel players to leave it they had a redshirt year!!! Even if they did not have that year and they had thoughts of heading to the league I would still tell them to leave. This program right now is a joke. Get out if you can!!!

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IMO....if players leave i dnt see them as being a rat..some players have expectations as far as trying to get drafted and it is not fair to them that they are being under coached...with that being said you want your players to be happy and i dnt see how any one of these players are happy with their current situation...and lets just be honest...these players recieved football scholarships they came to Cal to play...it was just a win win situation that they were able to play football while trying to recieve a degree from one of the best colleges in the world...just my opinion

We already had three players who QUIT on the team midseason in Logan, McCain, and King. Yeah McCain was kicked off but his actions dictated that he quit to the point we he was booted. I've not seen so many players leave a program in the middle of the season before.

socalimamma;842225014 said:

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Im interested to see just which players will return and which ones will decide to transfer even it means sitting out a year or transfering to a lower division school.

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Would not be surprised to see some leave. Can't blame them either. One of the bearants post on the other site and from their comments, they seem to have had enough. Feel terrible for the players to have to put up with this.

^^^^^+1...its not fair to them

The ones we want

HKBear97;842225138 said:

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Would not be surprised to see some leave. Can't blame them either. One of the bearants post on the other site and from their comments, they seem to have had enough. Feel terrible for the players to have to put up with this.

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I can't speak for a large number but I do know several are quite displeased with the way the staff is running the team and treating a certain group of players. Yes several players had to get "cleaned out" to change the culture...but it's also affecting some good players too who weren't necessarily a "cancer" to the team culture. We shouldn't be surprised to lose some good ones.

socalimamma;842225146 said:

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^^^^^+1...its not fair to them

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Life isn't always fair.

Change happens when a new staff comes in.
Some kids feel loyalty and security by the staff that recruited and brough them in. When the previous staff leaves, all bets are off. For everyone.

It's not unlike having a new management team or a new boss come in to your work.
Some people survive the change and thrive, some feel the need to leave, and sometimes others are asked to leave.

It's life. Only time will tell (like 3 seasons) to see if this change is working. This staff inherited some severe dysfunction in the program, for sure.

So which players are "cancers" to the team? Those who express themselves openly and disagree with the coaches as a truly disastrous season grinds to a stop? Cal is not a marine boot camp. We encourage our students to think outside the box and question bad authority. I am very concerned that many, if not most, of our players are unhappy and choosing not to play hard or at all, and that they are unable to express their feelings out of fear of being kicked off the team and losing their prized scholarships. It sounds like the team culture is bad and needs some professional mediation to clear the air.

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I can't speak for a large number but I do know several are quite displeased with the way the staff is running the team and treating a certain group of players. Yes several players had to get "cleaned out" to change the culture...but it's also affecting some good players too
who weren't necessarily a "cancer" to the team
culture. We shouldn't be surprised to lose some good
ones.

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I agree, there has been some mistreatment to some players, and some labeling also but at the end of the day these boys want to play football and they have no control of their coaches are or who their coaches were..and trust and believe there are many parents who are not happy with this staff for many reasons

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So which players are "cancers" to the team? Those who express themselves openly and disagree with the coaches as a truly disastrous season grinds to a stop? Cal is not a marine boot camp. We encourage our students to think outside the box and question bad authority. I
am very concerned that many, if not most, of our
players are unhappy and choosing not to play hard or
at all, and that they are unable to express their
feelings out of fear of being kicked off the team and
losing their prized scholarships. It sounds like the
team culture is bad and needs some professional
mediation to clear the air.

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This very true and I feel that someone should expose what is really going on...the players are afraid to speak up out of fear of not only losing their scholarships but also being demoted on the depth chart this is a shame...which leaves me questioning is the "cancers" on the team the players or is it the coaching staff?

I would always pause to tell a kid to make a life decision and not a football decision. Everyone is free to make whatever choices they want, and if a kid chooses playing quality football over a quality degree, then that is their choice. I would remind them, the overwhelming majority of college football players have no chance at playing in the pros, and changing schools simply to enhance those pro prospects is a poor choice.

tenplay;842225686 said:

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So which players are "cancers" to the team? Those who express themselves openly and disagree with the coaches as a truly disastrous season grinds to a stop? Cal is not a marine boot camp. We encourage our students to think outside the box and question bad authority. I am very concerned that many, if not most, of our players are unhappy and choosing not to play hard or at all, and that they are unable to express their feelings out of fear of being kicked off the team and losing their prized scholarships. It sounds like the team culture is bad and needs some professional mediation to clear the air.

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Unfortunately the question authority philosophy does not work in football. Just like it does not work in the military.

If some here are correct that this offense will not fly at this level, or that if it might and it could take a couple more seasons or longer, if I'm on this Cal team, was a hot prospect with NFL potential and desire, the thought of going elsewhere is to be expected.

Sure the degree is important. And a Cal one is quite valuable. But, there's something to be said for giving one's all to realize a dream. Even if doesn't materialize, just knowing that you did all you could to put yourself into a better position or opportunity to play, or play in a system that will better groom and highlight skills sought at the next level, is worth something too when looking back at one's life... Even if the TFS is winning some games, how prepared will our O lineman be for the NFL, QB and receivers too?

And some of these kids might be able to step into some pretty good academic schools too. American Studies at Cal, or something comparable at Duke. They are playing some good ball these days. There are less prestigious schools out there of course, but still quite reputable, and a degree from these would serve them well too.

^^^^ dead on

Cal89;842225746 said:

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If some here are correct that this offense will not fly at this level, or that if it might and it could take a couple more seasons or longer, if I'm on this Cal team, was a hot prospect with NFL potential and desire, the thought of going elsewhere is to be expected.

Sure the degree is important. And a Cal one is quite valuable. But, there's something to be said for giving one's all to realize a dream. Even if doesn't materialize, just knowing that you did all you could to put yourself into a better position or opportunity to play, or play in a system that will better groom and highlight skills sought at the next level, is worth something too when looking back at one's life... Even if the TFS is winning some games, how prepared will our O lineman be for the NFL, QB and receivers too?

And some of these kids might be able to step into some pretty good academic schools too. American Studies at Cal, or something comparable at Duke. They are playing some good ball these days. There are less prestigious schools out there of course, but still quite reputable, and a degree from these would serve them well too.

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Whose side are you on?

Not a transfer, but speculation that Richard Rodgers might enter the draft a year early...

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=8002

Starts at 19:20 min.

My own two cents but I think Kline probably leaves. Can't blame him. I also think Bigelow takes a long look. Perhaps not transferring but entering the draft. He may be a 3-4th round pick but I can't see him staying.

I have wondered about Tags since he has been canned and demoted to backup guard. He might find better coaching elsewhere and have a shot. Just thinking out loud.

Go Bears!

Nick

MisterNoodle;842225761 said:

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Whose side are you on?

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Side? Always on Cal's side of course.

I understand and appreciate the dilemma student-athletes might find themselves though.

Cal89;842225824 said:

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Side? Always on Cal's side of course.

I understand and appreciate the dilemma student-athletes might find themselves though.

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You can do that without publishing an essay on why our best talent should transfer.

philly1121;842225808 said:

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My own two cents but I think Kline probably leaves. Can't blame him. I also think Bigelow takes a long look. Perhaps not transferring but entering the draft. He may be a 3-4th round pick but I can't see him staying.

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Bigelow played himself out of the draft. There are plenty of athletes out there with 4.35, 4.4 speed.

DrDanger;842225069 said:

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Isn't it the rats that are the first to leave a sinking ship?

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Yep.

Like Garrett Sim thought he was doing when Ben Braun got fired. Good call.

MisterNoodle;842225833 said:

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You can do that without publishing an essay on why our best talent should transfer.

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Let there be light. It's beneficial for all involved.

DrDanger;842225099 said:

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There is huge pressure for this staff now. Adjustments will likely happen somehow.

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Nah.

Dykes won't do anything. He sucks.