I have seen a lot of people slam Buh, and probably deservedly so. But very few people are calling out the DB coach Stewart. Granted he was working with a lot of young guys but it seems to me that they weren't totally ready to play. Thoughts?

ICanHaasCheezburger;842232827 said:

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I have seen a lot of people slam Buh, and probably deservedly so. But very few people are calling out the DB coach Stewart. Granted he was working with a lot of young guys but it seems to me that they weren't totally ready to play. Thoughts?

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This might be because people think injuries hit the DB position especially hard. You can argue about how injuries as a whole affected our defense but there's no doubt that losing starters like McClure and Sebastian and having less depth there contributed to Stewart's struggles.

It appears that stewart has had extensive experience and taught proper technique (eye training). I would give him the benefit of the doubt on injuries.

But Buh's track record was sketchy from the beginning and
It played out in worse scenario style

Our corners were left out in an island the entire game.

Goff usually sees 7 guys dropping into coverage.

There's no shortage of blame to go around. I'm focused on Buh because he brought these guys in and he's responsible for their performance. I also think the whole unit needs a change and firing a position coach won't do a whole lot.

I think he sets the overall scheme for the defense. I think the DB coach would just be in charge of technique/formation/coverage, so when Buh says we're stacking everyone inside to stop the Furd rushing attack, Stewart gets to play his already thinned unit on islands.

I don't think we can get outtalented to the point where we've surrendered over 60 twice, and over 40 9 times in a season. Something is fundamentally wrong when we get treated like an FCS team for ~75% of the season.

Ace4eVer;842232839 said:

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There's no shortage of blame to go around. I'm focused on Buh because he brought these guys in and he's responsible for their performance. I also think the whole unit needs a change and firing a position coach won't do a whole lot.

I think he sets the overall scheme for the defense. I think the DB coach would just be in charge of technique/formation/coverage, so when Buh says we're stacking everyone inside to stop the Furd rushing attack, Stewart gets to play his already thinned unit on islands.

I don't think we can get outtalented to the point where we've surrendered over 60 twice, and over 40 9 times in a season. Something is fundamentally wrong when we get treated like an FCS team for ~75% of the season.

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Assuming you're right, and I'm playing this out because I don't have my own opinion, would it be fair to say that the position coach (Stewart) is in charge simply of teaching technique with some elements of strategy, while the coordinator sets the larger strategy? I'm curious then why there isn't tighter integration between the two, and why the position coach doesn't adapt the techniques to fit the strategy. For example, on the one Montgomery touchdown, the safety had to choose between covering Montgomery or another receiver, and he guessed wrong. Is there any technique that could have been taught to help him make a better guess?

Again, I don't know the answer, I'm asking because many of you understand these dynamics and the ability and limitations of what position coaches can do.

I just don't think people are really taking into account the real lack of talent and experience this team had in almost every position.

I have no idea if this coaching staff is any good but I do know that they had no talent to work with. It simply is not fair to judge the ability of a group of coaches who simply had no talent to work with.

The fact is that as this total coaching staff enters its 2nd year we truly know no more about their ability as a staff then we knew when they were 1st hired.

It is possible that Dykes may fire a coach or 2 or more based on his evaluation of the way they dealt with the players they coached but my guess is that he will be lenient in this regard because as an experienced coach he knows when he sees a coach trying to coach up a group that lacks talent or experience or both.

Sit back look at the talent that takes the field next year- it can't be any worse and then if talent shows up and the problems remain then action must be taken but this year was 1-11 from the start.

waltwa;842232879 said:

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I just don't think people are really taking into account the real lack of talent and experience this team had in almost every position.

I have no idea if this coaching staff is any good but I do know that they had no talent to work with. It simply is not fair to judge the ability of a group of coaches who simply had no talent to work with.

The fact is that as this total coaching staff enters its 2nd year we truly know no more about their ability as a staff then we knew when they were 1st hired.

It is possible that Dykes may fire a coach or 2 or more based on his evaluation of the way they dealt with the players they coached but my guess is that he will be lenient in this regard because as an experienced coach he knows when he sees a coach trying to coach up a group that lacks talent or experience or both.

Sit back look at the talent that takes the field next year- it can't be any worse and then if talent shows up and the problems remain then action must be taken but this year was 1-11 from the start.

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I don't understand this comment. Are you saying that the players lacked ability, or that they lacked experience and the development of their skills? To say they lacked talent doesn't resonate with me, because I don't think there was a significant difference in say the average star rating of the incoming players versus during the Tedford era. If you want to argue that they lacked experience or didn't have time to develop their skills by being forced to play earlier than they otherwise would have, then that makes more sense to me.

even on the long td pass to ty montgomery i think. 50 yarder to open the second half.

the safety started out covering the slot receiver in the post. so we were double covered on the post once the lb went over for the jam and montgomery goes over the top one on one for the touchdown on dozier. Dozier is probably a below average cover man. wouldnt it make sense to have a defensive call that gives him help instead of one on one against montgomery long vs a call that basically puts him in the worse position possible. i dont care what technique youre taught by position coaches, ty montgomery is one of the best players in college football and you leave him one on one with our 5th string DB? talk about a mismatch.

I dont get the reasoning to double cover the post in that situation. we're giving up big play after big play. stop the big play first, then worry about a guy coming underneath the play.

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Davidson - completely agree - the track records of those two are night and day. Stewart lost 3 of 4 starters and the two biggest stars - Buh wasn't hit nearly as hard.

The big difference between Stewart and Buh is that Stewart has a long track record of success as a DB coach whereas Buh has no track record as a DC.

Some of the comments are correct...our corners get no support in Buh's scheme. Pendergast was like this too but he disguised his coverages and he had NFL corners.

ICanHaasCheezburger;842232854 said:

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Assuming you're right, and I'm playing this out because I don't have my own opinion, would it be fair to say that the position coach (Stewart) is in charge simply of teaching technique with some elements of strategy, while the coordinator sets the larger strategy? I'm curious then why there isn't tighter integration between the two, and why the position coach doesn't adapt the techniques to fit the strategy. For example, on the one Montgomery touchdown, the safety had to choose between covering Montgomery or another receiver, and he guessed wrong. Is there any technique that could have been taught to help him make a better guess?

Again, I don't know the answer, I'm asking because many of you understand these dynamics and the ability and limitations of what position coaches can do.

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I think thats the case. Buh sets the scheme for the week which as I understand his philosophy is very simple. I don't think he does it by himself though. I think the play you specifically mention was a breakdown on the field because we were outschemed.

I can't watch the replay now, but if I remember right somebody else gave up another WR or we had a LBer in coverage so Walker had to cover one, which would leave the other one open. I don't know if there's anything that he could have done differently. That's happened a lot this year with guys running free. Other OCs are attacking certain players and forcing decisions or know our tendencies.

Watch any stretch play that is ran at us and how much success they have. We get outflanked consistently at the point of attack where it becomes a comical mismatch of OLs blocking CBs.