Nasty emails to AD = No bowl tickets for you!

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WSU AD didn't forget nasty emails
The same irate fans who flooded Bill Moos' inbox with hateful messages won't be witnessing fruit of bowl-eligible season

By CHRISTIAN CAPLE

Staff writerNovember 26, 2013
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Washington State coach Mike Leach, in his second year, is trying to help the Cougars reach their first above-.500 season since 2003.

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Bill Moos read each email, as he says he always has, and replied to them all with the same, supportive theme.

They're changing a culture of losing, Washington State's athletic director wrote, in part. He's fully in tune with the situation. Thanks for your note. He hopes you keep supporting the team.

This was in response to a handful of WSU fans during last November's tumult the eight-game losing streak, the Marquess Wilson abuse claims some of whom were so upset by it all that they advocated for Mike Leach's removal, filling Moos' inbox with demands that he fire the coach during his first season.

The nastiest messages irked him, and so some of those emails, records show, were forwarded by Moos to an assistant athletic director, along with a brief instruction: The names of the most vitriolic senders were to be placed in a file with others who will not be allowed to purchase bowl-game tickets from the school in the future.

After one fan predicted in an email that "this will go down as one of the biggest disasters in coaching history and Leach will NEVER be a head coach again," Moos forwarded the message to a colleague, along with his own acronym: NBT, short for "no bowl tickets."

Moos' message was clear: If you're not with us now, you won't be with us when we start winning.

"I answer all of those emails, then I send them to the Cougar Athletic Fund to see what their gift history is, and what their ticket purchase history is," Moos said via telephone Monday as he drove back to Pullman from his ranch outside of Spokane. "Pretty amazing about 85-90 percent of them are not members of the CAF."

"I've got a no-bowl ticket file, and I want people on board and believing in what we're doing, and trusting how we're going about it. If they don't want to be on the train, the train's already pulled out of the station."

It was easy to laugh at the notion of that file a year ago. For a person to be denied bowl-game tickets, of course, the Cougars would first have to actually play in a bowl, something they haven't done since 2003.

So it must feel like sweet vindication for Moos that, with Friday's Apple Cup game at Washington still on the docket, WSU has hit that magical six-win mark in Leach's second season, eligible to play in its first bowl in a decade.

It has been a long and arduous climb. WSU's last postseason game was a 2003 victory against Texas in the Holiday Bowl, a much-celebrated night that capped a stretch of three consecutive 10-win seasons.

Since, it has been mostly frustration and turmoil. Even a six-win season in 2006 wasn't enough to get WSU into a bowl, as the then-Pac-10 produced eight eligible teams and fewer available bowl bids. Six losing seasons a combined record of 17-56 followed, along with two coaching changes.

Now, the end is in sight. The conference is again overbooked, though, with nine teams eligible and only seven guaranteed postseason spots. But Moos sounds confident that this time around, the Cougars will be able to find a bowl destination, even if it isn't one with a guaranteed Pac-12 tie-in.

A conference-affiliated bowl perhaps the New Mexico Bowl or the Fight Hunger Bowl is still a possibility. If WSU beats Washington, it will become the Pac-12's eighth seven-win team, with victories over Arizona (7-4 with a game against No. 14 Arizona State upcoming), USC (9-3 and facing No. 22 UCLA this week) and, in this scenario, UW (7-4).

"The six wins is a milestone for us in itself," Moos said. "But I think with the way we're playing right now and the Mike Leach story and the fact that the Pac-12 is doing a real good job of exploring what the other opportunities can be, I feel optimistic about our chances."

Indeed, if WSU isn't invited to a bowl with a Pac-12 tie-in, there will be other chances to fill the bowl spots of conferences that didn't produce enough six-win teams. The Heart of Dallas Bowl is a possibility, as are the Poinsettia Bowl (San Diego) and the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl (Boise).

Moos said his bowl contacts have given "fairly positive feedback" about WSU's chances, and that the school has received more than 1,000 ticket requests so far.

"We've got a fan base that's been through a 10-year drought of bowl games, and so what might be appealing for us is the fact that nobody's going to be disappointed at whatever bowl we go to," he said.

Leach and the few WSU players made available to reporters this week don't much care about the speculation. Next practice, next game, next play that's their mantra.

"I'd like to think they don't listen to it," Leach said of the public bowl talk. "If you're disciplined, you focus on the next play."

That was an attitude not fully adopted by Leach's first WSU squad, the one that finished 3-9 a year ago. This year's team looks different cohesive, determined. And maybe that started in early August, during a 10-day trip to Lewiston, Idaho, for the beginning of training camp.

WSU players and coaches stayed in dorms at nearby Lewis-Clark State College and practiced at Sacajawea Middle School, a move necessitated by construction on WSU's campus that occupied part of the practice field.

It was there, senior safety Deone Bucannon said, that WSU learned to "focus on ourselves without distractions. It was more camaraderie. All you see is your teammates. You can't just go anywhere. It's football; you hang out with your teammates, and then you go to sleep.

"It's more of a family and a bond that's created in that kind of environment, and I think that really helped us this year."

So here they are at 6-5, an opportunity before them to extend their season into December.

As for the folks in Moos' file? They won't be joining. Not all of them, anyway.

"We've got to sell bowl tickets, so I may give it a second consideration," Moos said. "But there's a couple that aren't going to get them. I can guarantee you that."

LONG TIME NO SIX WINS

Heading into Friday's game vs. Washington, Washington State has already equaled its most wins since 2006 with six victories. A closer look:

YEARCOACHRECORDCOMMENT

2006Bill Doba6-6Eligible, but no bowl

2007Bill Doba5-7Won Apple Cup in Doba's finale

2008Paul Wulff2-11Beat Portland State, UW

2009Paul Wulff1-11Only win vs. SMU, 30-27 in OT

2010Paul Wulff2-10Claimed Ws vs. Beavers, Bobcats (Montana St.)

2011Paul Wulff4-8Lost 7 of last 8 games to end Wulff era

2012Mike Leach3-9Highlight was Apple Cup win (31-28 in OT)

2013Mike Leach6-5A 7th win would be most since 2003 THE APPLE CUP

Washington state (6-5, 4-4 Pac-12) at WASHINGTON (7-4, 4-4)

12:30 p.m. Friday, Husky Stadium, Ch. 13, 950-AM, 710-AM

COACHES: Mike Leach (9-14 in second year at WSU; 93-57 in 12th year overall) and Steve Sarkisian (33-29 in fifth year, all at UW).

SERIES: Washington leads, 67-32-6.

SCOUTING REPORT: The Cougars won the 2012 Apple Cup in overtime, 31-28, in Pullman, ending a three-year win streak for the Huskies. Both teams are bowl eligible. Washington State's offense isn't quite as productive as Leach's Texas Tech teams, but the Cougars have made significant strides since last year. QB Connor Halliday commands an offense that averages 372 passing yards per game, a number that ranks fiftth nationally. Sarkisian has not revealed whether fifth-year senior Keith Price (shoulder) will return at quarterback. Redshirt freshman Cyler Miles started in Price's place last week against Oregon State. Huskies junior running back Bishop Sankey, who originally committed to WSU while at Gonzaga Prep before changing his mind, is third in the nation in rushing yards with 1,575.

DID YOU KNOW? Sarkisian and WSU outside receivers coach Dennis Simmons were teammates at BYU in 1996.

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Bobodeluxe
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I'm not donating to their AD either.

:bravo
TheSouseFamily
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Remind me - what is a bowl again? Sounds vaguely familiar but I just can't place it.
novabear1
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but for the grace of StubHub, there go irate cougs.
ColoradoBear
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Ah Moos, Leach and pride... gonna hurt WSU financially though because I doubt they sell out of their bowl ticket allotment. And we all know you have to get to a REALLY high level bowl to see ticket prices on the open market of LOWER level seats even approach the jacked up prices of the AD allocated tickets in the UPPER level.

And will WSU even get a bowl invite? 9 bowl teams from the P12 and 7 slots... not likely that we get the 2nd BCS bid - it would take a miracle for enough teams to lose in the right combination to get the Ducks back in it... So it really appears this year,s Apple Cup could very well be for the NM bowl vs at large bowl.

Though imagine if this crew were running Cal Athletics... Rose Bowl year? No bowl tix for all those pissed BI posters?
hanky1
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That's awesome. Good for them.
upsetof86
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Couldn't agree more with Moos.
Sebastabear
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And people worry that athletic directors aren't hearing their voices.....

Good for Moos. Some people really lose their filters when they send an e-mail (or post on Message Boards). They forget there are human beings on the other side of these communications.
FiatSlug
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ColoradoBear1;842233674 said:

Ah Moos, Leach and pride... gonna hurt WSU financially though because I doubt they sell out of their bowl ticket allotment. And we all know you have to get to a REALLY high level bowl to see ticket prices on the open market of LOWER level seats even approach the jacked up prices of the AD allocated tickets in the UPPER level.

And will WSU even get a bowl invite? 9 bowl teams from the P12 and 7 slots... not likely that we get the 2nd BCS bid - it would take a miracle for enough teams to lose in the right combination to get the Ducks back in it... So it really appears this year,s Apple Cup could very well be for the NM bowl vs at large bowl.

Though imagine if this crew were running Cal Athletics... Rose Bowl year? No bowl tix for all those pissed BI posters?


I'm not sure I agree. Moos may have made a conscious decision that he doesn't need frenemy fans. Addition by subtraction as it were.

BI has plenty of Cal frenemy fans as well.
FremontBear
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TheSouseFamily;842233662 said:

Remind me - what is a bowl again? Sounds vaguely familiar but I just can't place it.


And it'll be many more years before Cal fans can attend bowls.
wifeisafurd
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Sebastabear;842233735 said:

And people worry that athletic directors aren't hearing their voices.....

Good for Moos. Some people really lose their filters when they send an e-mail (or post on Message Boards). They forget there are human beings on the other side of these communications.


Some fans just have a lot of passion, and as you can tell on this website, not the greatest filters. But they do care, and express themselves, all of which is not necessarily a bad thing. I think an AD can prove themselves just by results (sorta like the hitter who hits a home run after being knocked down by the pitch, instead of rushing the mound). I think Sandy, and particularly her staff, do hear everything (they read this website), but I hope they take the bigger picture view that at least the fans care. I find Moos small and vindictive, and eventually, he will end up alienating his fan base by these short sighted move. This should be a time of celebration for almost all WSU fans (the true nut cases are to be avoided).
beelzebear
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Frankly Moos should have taken the high road, bigger pay off and better public relations, plus you don't look like an a-hole. A well-written but pointed note with some humor (and tickets) to the hater would have worked better. Goat him, mock him but give him the tickets. Sinking to the neener-neener level by a public official doesn't serve anyone well. No one likes email abuse (fan or otherwise) but it's part of the territory for an AD.
BeachyBear
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I like it. Notice he didn't ban every negative email, just the over-the-top ones. I'm sure the passionate fans who expressed deep concern in a respectful, professional manner will be allowed to purchase bowl tickets. And I like that he was connection the negative emails with the donor base - 90% non-donors, no surprise.

I'm sure we'd find the same donor % among our "frenemies" here on BI... either fair-weather Cal fans, parents and other family members with their own agenda apart from the best interest in the program, or not Cal fans at all but trolls who are still bitter over the thin envelope they received from the admissions office ten years ago. Something to keep in mind here.
BearNIt
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Moos' teams better keep winning because next time their losing, those emails are not going to go to Moos, their going to go to his boss or higher up. He will have created a monster that could be his undoing in the end. Also, his attempt at penalizing these people is laughable given that they could get tickets anyway from StubHub and bypass the Wash St. ticket office to get to the New Mexico Bowl. He's a little shortsighted if you ask me as he just could have ignored them the way Sandy does.:rollinglaugh:
beelzebear
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BearNIt;842233893 said:

Moos' teams better keep winning because next time their losing, those emails are not going to go to Moos, their going to go to his boss or higher up. He will have created a monster that could be his undoing in the end. Also, his attempt at penalizing these people is laughable given that they could get tickets anyway from StubHub and bypass the Wash St. ticket office to get to the New Mexico Bowl. He's a little shortsighted if you ask me as he just could have ignored them the way Sandy does.:rollinglaugh:


Yeah that could end up a major boner if the hate emailer got tickets elsewhere and showed up at the WSU hospitality tent and mocked Moos in person...and told him he got his tickets on discount. This is exactly why public official should always consider the high road.
59bear
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You are aware that WSU has been to the Rose Bowl twice since our last appearance are you not?
GB54
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I'm going to change my screen name so I can get tickets to the Poinsietta Bowl next year.
wifeisafurd
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GB54;842233931 said:

I'm going to change my screen name so I can get tickets to the Poinsietta Bowl next year.


posting a rant on an web site and e mailing something vile to the AD. Also, I don't see our AD's office holding a grudge. N need to worry. Heck, they don't like the product on the field either.
LethalFang
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What an idiot AD, for making enemies when there is no incentive to do so.
KevBear
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LethalFang;842233951 said:

What an idiot AD, for making enemies when there is no incentive to do so.


Agreed. WSU gets nothing from this. Moos gets a little personal satisfaction at the expense of uselessly generating more animosity.

Any fans who still want to go to the bowl will be able to get their tickets through any number of other outlets. In these cases, all Moos has done is ensure that his own ATO will not get the credit for these sales.

In the event that any of the targets of his retribution elect not to attend because of the offense, he just reduced the attendance and support of his own team at their bowl.

Ultimately, probably not much in the way of substantial effect in either direction from this, but it's the kind of pettiness that marks a small leader.
86Oski
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Without seeing the emails that managed to get people put into the "no bowl tickets" category, it's a little hard to judge the AD's actions. (The one email quoted in the article didn't seem all that bad to me.) Having said that, the AD's actions do strike me as somewhat petty.

I found this quote interesting:

Quote:

“I answer all of those emails, then I send them to the Cougar Athletic Fund to see what their gift history is, and what their ticket purchase history is,” Moos said via telephone Monday as he drove back to Pullman from his ranch outside of Spokane. “Pretty amazing — about 85-90 percent of them are not members of the CAF.”


Moos wasn't checking on donor status for merely his curiosity. He was making sure he wasn't going to p*** off any big time donors. So if you donate money, you get the added benefit of being as petulant as you'd like in any email. And any non-donor has no stake in the athletic program, regardless of his or her possible status as an alumnus/alumna, employee, professor, season-ticket holder, etc.
LethalFang
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86Oski;842234016 said:

Without seeing the emails that managed to get people put into the "no bowl tickets" category, it's a little hard to judge the AD's actions. (The one email quoted in the article didn't seem all that bad to me.) Having said that, the AD's actions do strike me as somewhat petty.

I found this quote interesting:



Moos wasn't checking on donor status for merely his curiosity. He was making sure he wasn't going to p*** off any big time donors. So if you donate money, you get the added benefit of being as petulant as you'd like in any email. And any non-donor has no stake in the athletic program, regardless of his or her possible status as an alumnus/alumna, employee, professor, season-ticket holder, etc.


Any current non-donor is a potential future donor, especially if he responds in a reasonable manner and things get better. Moos just burned those bridges for maybe 30 seconds of satisfaction.
BeachyBear
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LethalFang;842234099 said:

Any current non-donor is a potential future donor, especially if he responds in a reasonable manner and things get better. Moos just burned those bridges for maybe 30 seconds of satisfaction.


The kind of people who sit down and write the kind of emails that would end up in the "no soup for you" pile aren't going to be making enough money to donate to the AD. Not a high demand for "angry stupid people with poor communication skills" in the current job market.

You can burn all the bridges you want with the losers like that, it won't make a bit of difference to the bottom line.
ColoradoBear
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59bear;842233927 said:

You are aware that WSU has been to the Rose Bowl twice since our last appearance are you not?


yes very aware and they didn't sell all their tickets last time and had to EAT $800k.

For a lower tier bowl, they will not sell their allotment. No freaking way. So any ticket not sold to a 'negative' alum is just one more ticket unsold.

Though maybe the joke is on us since on a quick look, the p12 subsidizes unsold bowl tickets.
ReasonableBear
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What makes no sense to me is the attitude of ..."You have to believe in what we're (I'm) doing or else we don't want you as a fan." What??!! What kind of logic is that? If we had blind faith in every coach or administrator then nobody would ever get fired...that's such baloney.
biely medved
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beelzebear;842233801 said:

Frankly Moos should have taken the high road, bigger pay off and better public relations, plus you don't look like an a-hole. A well-written but pointed note with some humor (and tickets) to the hater would have worked better. Goat him, mock him but give him the tickets. Sinking to the neener-neener level by a public official doesn't serve anyone well. No one likes email abuse (fan or otherwise) but it's part of the territory for an AD.


Agree. Minor league.
Sebastabear
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I still like it. I like someone making the filter free communicators of the world step back for a second and thinking about what they've done. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.. Moos is striking an (admittedly small) blow for civility
heartofthebear
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TheSouseFamily;842233662 said:

Remind me - what is a bowl again? Sounds vaguely familiar but I just can't place it.


Hint: What do you eat your soup out of? Or are you strictly a salad guy?
southseasbear
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This reminds me of the time Oregon lost their first game (I think it was to BYU) under new coach Chip Kelly and one fan wrote a letter demanding his money back. Kelly didn't ban him from the next bowl game but wrote him a personal check for the amount. The fan was impressed and kept the check, while Kelly won over a critic.
LethalFang
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southseasbear;842234458 said:

This reminds me of the time Oregon lost their first game (I think it was to BYU) under new coach Chip Kelly and one fan wrote a letter demanding his money back. Kelly didn't ban him from the next bowl game but wrote him a personal check for the amount. The fan was impressed and kept the check, while Kelly won over a critic.


+1.
A public position like the athletic director of a Pac-12 school is no place for grudge match with unhappy fans.
If you want to fight with fans, be a Bleacher Report blogger.
southseasbear
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LethalFang;842234483 said:

+1.
A public position like the athletic director of a Pac-12 school is no place for grudge match with unhappy fans.
If you want to fight with fans, be a Bleacher Report blogger.


+1.
Particularly an AD at a public university.
GB54
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LethalFang;842234483 said:

+1.
A public position like the athletic director of a Pac-12 school is no place for grudge match with unhappy fans.
If you want to fight with fans, be a Bleacher Report blogger.


And don't act like 6-5 gives you redemption.
XXXBEAR
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Ironic because I quickly learned that I was given the worst bowl seats (even though I was a long time Cal season ticket holder) and that I should have gone to stub hub instead to get the corporate tickets.

What he should have done is put all the complainers in one section, and treated them right, and visited them with media in attendance....If they are passionate enough to complain they must really care. He would have won over every one and attracted new fans, too.
tenplay
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bear945;842233656 said:

http://www.theolympian.com/2013/11/26/2852078/wsu-ad-didnt-forget-nasty-emails.html

Read more here: http://www.theolympian.com/2013/11/26/2852078/wsu-ad-didnt-forget-nasty-emails.html#storylink=cpy



Amazing! Someone else who reads The Olympian for sports news. :p
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