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BearyWhite
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BeggarEd;842235171 said:

Yeah... looked it up on my phone but it's a PDF so I can't link it. Basically, it calculates new enrolled students, and then calculates the graduation rate within a 6 year window. Thus the 2006-7 frosh/transfer class wouldn't be fully available until 2012-3.

This is Sandy's legacy.

Isn't though there an argument to be made that a big part of the issue is the fact that half our athletes across all sports (according to most recent stats, which aren't that recent) don't meet minimum entry requirements, so it's incomplete to focus on what's basically a single class of students recruited during Sandy's tenure?
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UrsaMajor;842234776 said:

There was a letter to the editor of the Chronic this morning essentially demanding that Sandy Barbour be fired. No big news, except for the fact that the author was Bob O'Donnell, major Cal donor, past president of the UC Berkeley Foundation, and member of the Chancellor's advisory committee (or at least he was under Birgeneau).

Could mean that Sandy has lost the major alumni, or the fact that Bob went public could mean that there's resistance from the Chancellor's office and he's trying to exert pressure.


All this sounds plausable. I don't see a brand new Chancellor firing the AD. If there is a major donor rebellion going on, word has not reached SoCal donors yet.
BeggarEd
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BearyWhite;842235227 said:

Isn't though there an argument to be made that a big part of the issue is the fact that half our athletes across all sports (according to most recent stats, which aren't that recent) don't meet minimum entry requirements, so it's incomplete to focus on what's basically a single class of students recruited during Sandy's tenure?


The data is not from a single class, this was from a Farudo article in October (http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24383076/cal-football-team-struggling-classroom-too) :

"The GSR figures represent the four-year average of freshmen who enrolled from 2003-04 through 2006-07 and were given six years to graduate. In other words, the cycle ended recently -- in the spring of 2012."

She was hired in September of 2004, so that's 3 of 4 freshman classes that she was the acting AD for, all the way through their graduation. She inherited the 1st class as Sophomores, and had most of their collegiate careers. 9 years later the cumulative result of these 4 classes is the very worst graduation rate of 72 major BCS schools.

The academics are largely on Tedford, but Barbour wears it too. ESP sales are terrible, attendance is poor in revenue sports, our grad rates are a public embarrassment, and we just had the worst football season in over a century as a result of her hire. What are her redeeming qualities??

For a laugh, an excerpt from her introductory press conference:

"She noted that her "charter" from to-be-Chancellor Birgeneau was for Cal football to compete for the national championship and for Cal athletics to achieve consistent top-10 rankings in the [Sear's Cup descendent], while at the same time always being NCAA compliant and fiscally prudent."

Source: http://california.scout.com/2/295115.html

(yes it's a rival site, but given who was the publisher I think an exception is in order)
SanseiBear
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Here's an interesting [URL="http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/pdfs/2013/div.+i+trends+in+gsr+and+fgr"][COLOR="Navy"]link[/COLOR][/URL] discussing GSR trends.
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NYCGOBEARS
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GoBuckeyes;842235260 said:




Are those tOSU big donors?
BearyWhite
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NYCGOBEARS;842235261 said:

Are those tOSU big donors?


These are the sock puppets you get free with every pair of tiny gold pants you buy on EBay.
NYCGOBEARS
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BearyWhite;842235264 said:

These are the sock puppets you get free with every pair of tiny gold pants you buy on EBay.


How much are the pants?
march2397
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GoBuckeyes;842235260 said:




Indeed. Got to "hand" it to you.
88Bear
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OaktownBear;842235168 said:

I'm sorry. What?

1. The pressure to win at Cal is low compared to most places. If she can't handle it, she is not qualified to be AD anywhere.

2. Dealing with the pressure and managing the department correctly is her job

3. If this is an excuse for Barbour, why isn't it an excuse for Tedford.

4. The fans have absolutely no responsibility for this. Zero. Zip. Nada. Remotely implying it is garbage.

5. Regarding measures to fix the problem, it's the same old song. Why didn't they take steps 3 years ago when the problem surfaced?

Honestly, so much has been done wrong in the AD, and it has become such a massive embarrassment, that I'm afraid those in favor of deemphasis might get their wish. The people that want Sandy gone have a long list of reasons. The academic issue is just the beginning.


This is correct. I can't fathom how anyone sees it differently. Frankly I'm puzzled as to the seeming incompetence of the Athletic Department with regards to finances when you consider that we have the Haas School of Business right on campus. We seriously can't find a viable funding mechanism for all of our athletics when we have financial 'whizzes' all over campus. I seriously believe that a class competition could yield better results than does our Athletic Department.
socaliganbear
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88Bear;842235321 said:

This is correct. I can't fathom how anyone sees it differently. Frankly I'm puzzled as to the seeming incompetence of the Athletic Department with regards to finances when you consider that we have the Haas School of Business right on campus. We seriously can't find a viable funding mechanism for all of our athletics when we have financial 'whizzes' all over campus. I seriously believe that a class competition could yield better results than does our Athletic Department.


I've said this before, the people who attend our university, in particular students at very prestigious programs like Haas, are smarter than many of the people we have running the AD. But that's going to happen when you have an elite school and a mediocre department.
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socaliganbear;842235335 said:

I've said this before, the people who attend our university, in particular students at very prestigious programs like Haas, are smarter than many of the people we have running the AD. But that's going to happen when you have an elite school and a mediocre department.


In the Wall Street model, one could figure out a way to pull money out of the collective arses of the "others" without any discomfort to the "us"?

Well, a Big Fat Cuban Cigar for everyone on BI, and bring in the hoes!

:gobears:
AirOski
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oskihasahearton;842234816 said:

Why make these comments in the "Letters to the Editor" page of the SF Chronicle? Isn't there another more appropriate focused forum? How about face to face? Significant contributors divided about important issues should not resort to desperate rhetorical negativity and innuendo. Sadly, shame on us and shame on him.

Go Sandy and go Bears!


Cal is a public university, supported by taxpayers. It's of interest to everyone in the state, so why not have it out in public?
AirOski
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Golden One;842235217 said:

Classic Sandy Barbour. She tries to deflect criticism of the poor football academic performance by quoting statistics from all the minor sports. She does the same thing when it comes to athletic performance. Will she ever learn that it's football that drives the entire athletic department? If our football program is sick (on the field and in the classroom), than the athletic program is sick. Period. She seems to be too dense to recognize that. She has outlived her usefulness and must be fired.


Plus it galls me that she pulled together that outrageous contract extension with Tedford, which really put us in a weak position financially when his performance level went south. Because of that, she's really boxed us in as to what she can do with the current (poor performing) football staff.
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Number 031343;842235078 said:

Just some thoughts, but while, more recent statistics may help flesh out this picture, I believe her statement admitting "pressure to win" indicates that academic standards were overlooked, perhaps as a test, perhaps as only a convenient but temporary risk, to see if it would be either tolerated or overlooked in order to continue cash flow. There certainly appeared to be enough alumni distracted by winning to suspend judgement until damaging evidence became public. Who knows, it may not have been calculating, merely convenient on her part, she had a lot of bills to pay. She may have even convinced herself that this was Tedford's job, she did not need to check back with him to see if the academic aspect was actually working. Anyway, I have certainly seen a lot of high level management people in the corporate world operate under the presumption that once they had delegated a responsibility, their hands were clean, they would never need to check back, somehow, they could count on reassurances, the results were not theirs to own. Read the litany of wall street testimony. I think she may have made that mistake, but the operable word is "may".


Good evaluation but just confirms that she was not doing her job. The role of the AD is to insure that her staff is on top of things. If Tedford was getting in trouble with the academics it was her job to help him get it together. The AD is a manager first and foremost, not a just personality or simply a figurehead attending events and making speeches. Not for half a million a year.
paul916
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For a variety of political and bureaucratic reasons, I think SB's job is secure for as long as she wants it, absent a serious criminal offense. In the vast bureaucracy that is UC Berkeley, administrators are very seldom fired for reasons of job performance.

And I don't think she'll be leaving of her own volition, given a salary of almost have a million a year, plus many perks.
BarcaBear
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joshbalt;842235381 said:

Sandy Barbour has done plenty enough to be fired but the real issue will be if the Chancellor hires someone good and empowers them properly. There is a campaign against the athletic department that has gained momentum (aided by the academic and financial issues) and the chancellor is clearly placating them already starting with the game at Levi's Stadium which is a bow to the anti-Friday games complaint from the anti-athletics crowd.


you seem to be conjuring up a bit in your analysis. a campaign against the athletic department? really? a bit of hyperbole, no?

what is this anti-athletic department campaign? I want to know more.
let's just say your claim is true that there is a distinct anti-athletic department campaign on the campus, but you also want us to believe that this has taken the form of an anti-Friday games stance? who is behind this? are you sure you're not mixing up the local residents with students, professors, and unions that are concerned about the finances? just asking for some clarity.
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NYCGOBEARS;842235226 said:

I want Sandy to go but I would rather the powers to be take their time and have the right person to replace her.


This is realistically what will happen. Chancellor comes in, studies situation, plots course of action and makes changes he deems necessary at end of 2014-2015 Academic year. I presume he will then hire a business savvy A.D. who will go through the same exercise and make the call on Sonny post Sonny's third year. Not way I would want it - got a problem, identify it, deal with it quickly and decisively. In the circles I run in, we call dealing with an identified problem " shooting it in the head" - and understand I am not advocating violence, just once you have identified a problem - end it pronto. Do not let it linger.

Not in response to your post NYC, but someone earlier suggested with respect to moving the Oregon Friday game off campus, it did not reflect Cal Academia at odds with the football program. I would note the press release ( which was molded and crafted and edited unlike say the locker room incident press ) did say moving the game would give the AD time to more fully "engage" the staff, faculty, students and the community regarding the issues raised by weeknight games. Thus, taking the press release on it's face, it is not only the surrounding community raising issues on weeknight games.
freshfunk
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I wish we could get someone like Larry Scott. The guy seems pretty savvy when it comes to dealing with academic institutions along with making savvy business deals.
Out Of The Past
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Honos;842235432 said:

Good evaluation but just confirms that she was not doing her job. The role of the AD is to insure that her staff is on top of things. If Tedford was getting in trouble with the academics it was her job to help him get it together. The AD is a manager first and foremost, not a just personality or simply a figurehead attending events and making speeches. Not for half a million a year.


No question that if she behaved as I speculated, she is responsible, and therefore must bear consequences. I did not mean to suggest I felt she was excused, just to speculate as to why she might have acted as she did. It has been mentioned on this board that Tedford requested more tutors and she denied him. If true, that is damning just in itself. I would like to know the full story some day. I have attended a number of receptions where she glad handed alumni and made the requisite compliments to the athletic programs. It was all too much like the corporate shareholder meeting world. Who knows? Maybe it will come out. She is certainly scrambling enough now.
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