Dante Smith some years back on the BBall team.

Cant explain it. We should be happy with Goff, who had a good year for a true Freshman QB playing behind a porous O-LIne...

Kline seems like a great kid who really loved Cal. He was a key enthusiast in helping to hold the recruiting class together post-meltdown. It would also seem he was treated poorly by Dykes publically.

Yes, Goff was a frosh and yes, not a great O line. But he finished 11th in the Pac in passing - a stretch to call that a "good" year, let alone he didn't win a single FBS game. Or has Dykes already lowered the bar that much...?

MiZery;842246839 said:

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Dante Smith some years back on the BBall team.

Cant explain it. We should be happy with Goff, who had a good year for a true Freshman QB playing behind a porous O-LIne...

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The Bigelow stuff last year was in the same ball park. But I agree that many posters' attachment to Kline is really bizarre.

The Duke!;842246850 said:

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The Bigelow stuff last year was in the same ball park. But I agree that many posters' attachment to Kline is really bizarre.

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Bigelow helped us almost beat the buckeyes

SmellinRoses;842246849 said:

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Kline seems like a great kid who really loved Cal. He was a key enthusiast in helping to hold the recruiting class together post-meltdown. It would also seem he was treated poorly by Dykes publically.

Yes, Goff was a frosh and yes, not a great O line. But he finished 11th in the Pac in passing - a stretch to call that a "good" year, let alone he didn't win a single FBS game. Or has Dykes already lowered the bar that much...?

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you cant blame the losses on Goff. Considering this was a 1-11 team, he had pretty good numbers (for a true Frosh).

Passing 320/531 for 3508 yards and 18 TD and 10 INTs is not bad. He also had a decent game against a tough Stanfurd D on the road.

So .. not good O-line + average running game = more pressure on the QB. Considering everyone knows that Cal is going to pass,, he still had decent numbers.

ecb;842246853 said:

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Bigelow helped us almost beat the buckeyes

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He had two amazing runs. But he also had inexplicable fumbles and tons of missed assignments.

The thinking on this board was that it was all JT's fault for picking the wrong RB to play. As soon as a new staff came on board with a simplified playbook, Bigelow would shine.

But once that scenario unfolded, it became clear that maybe JT and Gould knew what they were doing more than we all thought.

He had his chance I'll grant you that. But we may find out that his chance was like that of all the QBs who played for Tedford once he delgated QB and OC duties to the revolving-door list of bodies he brought into Cal. That is to say it was no chance at all and that Goff won out because he had some experience in this as yet to be seen high powered offense. I understand the sentiment toward Kline. It's not like a recruited scrub transferred.

The Duke!;842246850 said:

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The Bigelow stuff last year was in the same ball park. But I agree that many posters' attachment to Kline is really bizarre.

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well kline was one of the most highly touted qbs to ever come to Cal. Dykes also made it worse with how he jerked Kline around and his comments about him late in the year. it made the fanbase feel bad for kline.

Dykes could have handled the situation with a lot more class and to me how dykes handled a lot of things at the end of the season really showed his character. all he had to do was pull kline aside at the end of the season and talk to him privately that as long as Jared was healthy the best he would be is the backup and that itd probably be in his best interests to transfer if he wanted to start. instead he publicly disparaged his backup qb, one that did a lot for Cal on the recruiting front as well once he decided to sign here.

gobears725;842246862 said:

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well kline was one of the most highly touted qbs to ever come to Cal. Dykes also made it worse with how he jerked Kline around and his comments about him late in the year. it made the fanbase feel bad for kline.

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Uh where did he 'jerk' Kline around? Why are fans getting so butthurt about a guy they haent even met and they have no idea on what happened behind the scenes.

In fact, Kline said in an interview he appreciated that Dykes was honest with him. I guess the mob will not believe that, instead believe what they want to believe.

The Duke!;842246855 said:

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He had two amazing runs. But he also had inexplicable fumbles and tons of missed assignments.

The thinking on this board was that it was all JT's fault for picking the wrong RB to play. As soon as a new staff came on board with a simplified playbook, Bigelow would shine.

But once that scenario unfolded, it became clear that maybe JT and Gould knew what they were doing more than we all thought.

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Just for the tOSU alone though, Bigs didn't fumble, and basically single-handedly kept us in the game. Yet JT gave him the ball like 4 times (I don't think he had a run less than like 8 yards -- 4 carries, 160 yards, 2 TDs). Just for that game alone, it was insane that he did not get him the ball more. tOSU defenders could not keep up. Plus Bigs was way more explosive last year. This year (due to coming off injuries and him hesitating on cuts), I don't think anyone was clamoring for him to play more.

MiZery;842246865 said:

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Uh where did he 'jerk' Kline around? Why are fans getting so butthurt about a guy they haent even met and they have no idea on what happened behind the scenes.

In fact, Kline said in an interview he appreciated that Dykes was honest with him. I guess the mob will not believe that, instead believe what they want to believe.

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im not butthurt at all bro. in fact most of the season i supported starting Goff and going with Goff. i dont know how many arguments ive had with the pro-kline people. Dykes comments about kline werent called for and that was in the public and didnt need to see anything behind the scenes to hear those. how he used kline in garbage time was kind of a slap in the face.

im just saying that dykes treatment of kline led to the fans supporting kline even more.

kline would be well-liked by Cal fans regardless. for the love that he showed Cal and for what he did recruiting others once he committed. but i dont think that we'd see quite the support for kline had dykes handled kline a little differently

I was never a Kline rah-rah band-wagoner but I think he should have had a real chance to run the first team offense against a first team Pac12 defense, and not mop-up duty. After the season was obviously toast, what was a stake? What do you have to lose?

Kline might have failed but at least you find out. Why not give him a few real quarters to play, get a rhythm and see what he has. Some players don't practice as well as they play in a live situation. You do this to see what a player has, and because back-up QB is the right up there as the second most important position on the team.

Given the "improve every practice" theory didn't work for Dykes, it's not unreasonable to think a QB basically even with Goff (admitted by Dykes early on) could do okay or show something. That's all I ever really didn't like about the situation.

Otherwise, best wishes to Zach Kline.

The Duke!;842246855 said:

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He had two amazing runs. But he also had inexplicable fumbles and tons of missed assignments.

The thinking on this board was that it was all JT's fault for picking the wrong RB to play. As soon as a new staff came on board with a simplified playbook, Bigelow would shine.

But once that scenario unfolded, it became clear that maybe JT and Gould knew what they were doing more than we all thought.

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Yeah, and then some. Bigs looked much worse than this staff than he did with JT and Gould. Which shouldn't be that surprising, many were raising questions as SD's staff was being put together.

beelzebear;842246869 said:

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I was never a Kline rah-rah band-wagoner but I think he should have had a real chance to run the first team offense against a first team Pac12 defense, and not mop-up duty. After the season was obviously toast, what was a stake? What do you have to lose?

Kline might have failed but at least you find out. Why not give him a few real quarters to play, get a rhythm and see what he has. Some players don't practice as well as they play in a live situation. You do this to see what a player has, and because back-up QB is the right up there as the second most important position on the team.

Given the "improve every practice" theory didn't work for Dykes, it's not unreasonable to think a QB basically even with Goff (admitted by Dykes early on) could do okay or show something. That's all I ever really didn't like about the situation.

Otherwise, best wishes to Zach Kline.

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Agreed. Against both Oregons, Kline looked better than Goff against the same competition. All other underperforming/mediocre starters got subbed out but not Goff. Then TFS website and ads makes one question the decision not to give Kline a true shot during the season.

Kevin Riley was pretty much the same. And when he got chances, he actually capitalized on them, which made things even more controversial.

A football coach went with one player over a different player. It happens in every sport on every level.
A coach, in many people's opinion, may not have given one of the players a ton of game experience. Happens all over the place
A coach said to the player's face he was moving forward with the other guy. Happens everywhere, often times WITHOUT a discussion.
People can be unhappy about it. That's fine.
However, pick out your favorite coach in history. That coach has done similar. Many times at many different positions. Doesn't make them horrible. Doesn't make them incompetent. Sometimes they make the right call. Sometimes they make the wrong call. Sometimes it's clean. Sometimes messy.
Nature of sports.

Goff embarrassed Kline on the field. I saw more from goff in the northwestern game then I saw from Kline anytime he played and in practice. Goff looked better than Kline coming out of high school and he was head and shoulders above him this last year. I like Kline and wish him the best, but if you think Kline is still in the same discussion as goff then your overall football knowledge should be in serious question.

The internet did not exist in the Perry Klein era...

89Bear;842246886 said:

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A football coach went with one player over a different player. It happens in every sport on every level.
A coach, in many people's opinion, may not have given one of the players a ton of game experience. Happens all over the place
A coach said to the player's face he was moving forward with the other guy. Happens everywhere, often times WITHOUT a discussion.
People can be unhappy about it. That's fine.
However, pick out your favorite coach in history. That coach has done similar. Many times at many different positions. Doesn't make them horrible. Doesn't make them incompetent. Sometimes they make the right call. Sometimes they make the wrong call. Sometimes it's clean. Sometimes messy.
Nature of sports.

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so he needed to disparage kline in the media? could have just easily pulled him aside at the end of the season and told him what the situation was.

MiZery;842246865 said:

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Uh where did he 'jerk' Kline around? Why are fans getting so butthurt about a guy they haent even met and they have no idea on what happened behind the scenes.

In fact, Kline said in an interview he appreciated that Dykes was honest with him. I guess the mob will not believe that, instead believe what they want to believe.

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Amen.

People are saying Kline was "all Cal." So is Goff.
People are saying "Kline is so highly rated. So is Goff.
Kline recruited for Cal. Goff didn't at camps?
Kline stuck with Cal. Goff didn't?
Standing up for Kline and in the process minimizing Goff?

Looperbear;842246872 said:

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Agreed. Against both Oregons, Kline looked better than Goff against the same competition. All other underperforming/mediocre starters got subbed out but not Goff. Then TFS website and ads makes one question the decision not to give Kline a true shot during the season.

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How about the 'Furd game? I wonder how other staring qb's did against the Furd compared to Goff.

Goff was underperforming and mediocre? Wow his numbers must be pretty crappy combared to Kline.

FrankBear21;842246889 said:

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Goff embarrassed Kline on the field. I saw more from goff in the northwestern game then I saw from Kline anytime he played and in practice. Goff looked better than Kline coming out of high school and he was head and shoulders above him this last year. I like Kline and wish him the best, but if you think Kline is still in the same discussion as goff then your overall football knowledge should be in serious question.

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i think Goff is the better player for this offense that calls for a lot of quick, short accurate throws. hard to say whod be better if we ran a pro-set. Goff is better suited for this offense than kline.

gobears725;842246892 said:

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so he needed to disparage kline in the media? could have just easily pulled him aside at the end of the season and told him what the situation was.

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Show me a coach who is consistently "clean and polished" in all media interactions.

gobears725;842246867 said:

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im not butthurt at all bro. in fact most of the season i supported starting Goff and going with Goff. i dont know how many arguments ive had with the pro-kline people. Dykes comments about kline werent called for and that was in the public and didnt need to see anything behind the scenes to hear those. how he used kline in garbage time was kind of a slap in the face.

im just saying that dykes treatment of kline led to the fans supporting kline even more.

kline would be well-liked by Cal fans regardless. for the love that he showed Cal and for what he did recruiting others once he committed. but i dont think that we'd see quite the support for kline had dykes handled kline a little differently

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The same love for Kline should be shows for Goff now, for he is our starting QB.

89Bear;842246902 said:

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Show me a coach who is consistently "clean and polished" in all media interactions.

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well people are asking why kline is getting so much support from fans and theres your answer. i dont think that what dykes did was right and so it makes me like kline as a person more.

i still dont think that kline should play over goff, but i respect kline's passion for the university while he was here and i think that dykes should have had a little more respect too.

MiZery;842246904 said:

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The same love for Kline should be shows for Goff now, for he is our starting QB.

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i think goff had the majority of cal fans support during the season. it was still the minority that supported kline starting

89Bear;842246894 said:

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People are saying Kline was "all Cal." So is Goff.
People are saying "Kline is so highly rated. So is Goff.
Kline recruited for Cal. Goff didn't at camps?
Kline stuck with Cal. Goff didn't?
Standing up for Kline and in the process minimizing Goff?

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not to mention our receivers were openly lobbying for Goff to be QB at the beginning of the year. Treggs even went as far to say (jokingly) that Goff should win the Heisman.

So our players knowledge of the situation >>>>>> the general public,.

KoreAmBear;842246866 said:

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Just for the tOSU alone though, Bigs didn't fumble, and basically single-handedly kept us in the game. Yet JT gave him the ball like 4 times (I don't think he had a run less than like 8 yards -- 4 carries, 160 yards, 2 TDs). Just for that game alone, it was insane that he did not get him the ball more. tOSU defenders could not keep up. Plus Bigs was way more explosive last year. This year (due to coming off injuries and him hesitating on cuts), I don't think anyone was clamoring for him to play more.

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[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Navy"]The game was not as close as the score[/COLOR][/SIZE]

[COLOR="Indigo"][SIZE="5"]We were not going to win that game no matter what we did. Giving Big more carries would've just increased the chances of a TO[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[SIZE="5"][COLOR="Green"]We've sucked the past two seasons with Bigs.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

[SIZE="7"]GIVE IT UP ALREADY!!![/SIZE]

82gradDLSdad;842246858 said:

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He had his chance I'll grant you that. But we may find out that his chance was like that of all the QBs who played for Tedford once he delgated QB and OC duties to the revolving-door list of bodies he brought into Cal. That is to say it was no chance at all and that Goff won out because he had some experience in this as yet to be seen high powered offense. I understand the sentiment toward Kline. It's not like a recruited scrub transferred.

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Ayoob was also a 5* recruit who got lost his starting job to a third-string fullback.

The enthusiasm over someone whose done so little on the field is beyond puzzling, but I think it's more the troll echo chamber here than what the Cal fan community at large is thinking.

gobears725;842246899 said:

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i think Goff is the better player for this offense that calls for a lot of quick, short accurate throws. hard to say whod be better if we ran a pro-set. Goff is better suited for this offense than kline.

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Supposedly, the new kid coming in is a perfect fit for this offense (although he is awful short) - much more dynamic a runner than Goff. Coach Dykes has shown that he is not against starting a true freshman at QB. Could be that this was Goff's one and done year as a starter?

Masau80;842246921 said:

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Supposedly, the new kid coming in is a perfect fit for this offense (although he is awful short) - much more dynamic a runner than Goff. Coach Dykes has shown that he is not against starting a true freshman at QB. Could be that this was Goff's one and done year as a starter?

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i hope not, but if rubenzer is better from the get go then i couldnt argue against it. but that would mean that rubenzer is going to have to be pretty darn good right from the start

89Bear;842246894 said:

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People are saying Kline was "all Cal." So is Goff.
People are saying "Kline is so highly rated. So is Goff.
Kline recruited for Cal. Goff didn't at camps?
Kline stuck with Cal. Goff didn't?
Standing up for Kline and in the process minimizing Goff?

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You bring up some excellent points in this post and your one before it, 89Bear. I'm disappointed that Kline is transferring and wish him well, but this forum is largely like any other fan forum (i.e., the backup QB is the fan favorite on any given team).

:gobears:

gobears725;842246922 said:

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i hope not, but if rubenzer is better from the get go then i couldnt argue against it. but that would mean that rubenzer is going to have to be pretty darn good right from the start

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If we don't find a full-sized running back that can also make people miss, it really won't matter who plays QB.

I hope Zach Kline fans will appreciate this: