...anyone care to take a guess at who currently holds this distinction?

hanky1;842251413 said:

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...anyone care to take a guess at who currently holds this distinction?

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Cal's 2001 roster?

KoreAmBear;842251414 said:

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Cal's 2001 roster?

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So Sonny is honoring our glorious football past?

KoreAmBear;842251414 said:

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Cal's 2001 roster?

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I actually don't know the answer but was hoping someone else did. The 2001 team only had 2 players drafted the following year, but several in 2003 and 2004. I think it's safe to say we'll top the 2001 team for the year immediately following.

What an honor it will be for Sonny to be mentioned in the same breath with Coach Tom Holmoe. I was going to add that we seem to get the worst out of coaches but then I remembered Gilby. Ha, so we got that going for us.

82gradDLSdad;842251430 said:

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What an honor it will be for Sonny to be mentioned in the same breath with Coach Tom Holmoe. I was going to add that we seem to get the worst out of coaches but then I remembered Gilby. Ha, so we got that going for us.

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Holmoe never touched Gilby's 9-4 season (undefeated with Barr and Zomalt). However, Holmoe never lost to $C 61-0, so there's that.

Ok I went back and looked at the 2001 roster. There were 10 players on that team who would eventually get drafted. Hard to say if the 2013 team will top that but I think it's gonna be close.

hanky1;842251437 said:

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Ok I went back and looked at the 2001 roster. There were 10 players on that team who would eventually get drafted. Hard to say if the 2013 team will top that but I think it's gonna be close.

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If so, then what a supreme waste of talent this past season.

Kind of suggests that all that excuse-making on this board in the past few months about "Tedford left the cupboard bare" and "give these coaches some time" and "Tosh destroyed our recruiting" are just that: excuses.

Bear_Elegance;842251443 said:

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If so, then what a supreme waste of talent this past season.

Kind of suggests that all that excuse-making on this board in the past few months about "Tedford left the cupboard bare" and "give these coaches some time" and "Tosh destroyed our recruiting" are just that: excuses.

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Well, having some NFL talent, even up to 10 players, doesn't mean you have a team of good players necessarily. The rest of the talent has to be pretty good, hard nosed, physical, and know their roles and assignments (this seemed to be a huge problem with Buh's defense - don't know if it was the personnel or coaching). I think this part of it is probably lacking. We certainly have decent talent in some of the skill positions. But we're hurting at o-line, LB and DB spots.

KoreAmBear;842251446 said:

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Well, having some NFL talent, even up to 10 players, doesn't mean you have a team of good players necessarily. The rest of the talent has to be pretty good, hard nosed, physical, and know their roles and assignments (this seemed to be a huge problem with Buh's defense - don't know if it was the personnel or coaching). I think this part of it is probably lacking. We certainly have decent talent in some of the skill positions. But we're hurting at o-line, LB and DB spots.

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D-line was borderline terrible. Runningbacks were poor. Quarterbacks ran for their lives. Receivers didn't get much separation.

Otherwise, :tedford.

The 2001 team had draft picks spread out over every position group. I'm not so sure that's the case with the 2013 team. We'll see...

Bear_Elegance;842251443 said:

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If so, then what a supreme waste of talent this past season.

Kind of suggests that all that excuse-making on this board in the past few months about "Tedford left the cupboard bare" and "give these coaches some time" and "Tosh destroyed our recruiting" are just that: excuses.

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Don't forget the injuries and the rain and the other reasons we couldn't win a game this year!

And the dog that ate Dyke's playbook.

KoreAmBear;842251434 said:

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Holmoe never touched Gilby's 9-4 season (undefeated with Barr and Zomalt). However, Holmoe never lost to $C 61-0, so there's that.

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My point was that I think UW got Gilby's worst. We got his second worst although I'm sure someone could make an argument.

Bear_Elegance;842251443 said:

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If so, then what a supreme waste of talent this past season.

Kind of suggests that all that excuse-making on this board in the past few months about "Tedford left the cupboard bare" and "give these coaches some time" and "Tosh destroyed our recruiting" are just that: excuses.

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Name the 10 players who will be drafted, and played significant minutes.

Bobodeluxe;842251986 said:

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Name the 10 players who will be drafted, and played significant minutes.

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Coleman, Rodgers are surefire nfl draftees this year. Jackson will get a camp invite, bigelow will too if he leaves. Goff (assuming some progress), Harper, Treggs, Lawler look like future nfl players. Jefferson, Fortt, Moala are borderline guys who are draftable with a decent season next year.

Bobodeluxe;842251986 said:

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Name the 10 players who will be drafted, and played significant minutes.

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concernedparent;842251988 said:

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Coleman, Rodgers are surefire nfl draftees this year. Jackson will get a camp invite, bigelow will too if he leaves. Goff (assuming some progress), Harper, Treggs, Lawler look like future nfl players. Jefferson, Fortt, Moala are borderline guys who are draftable with a decent season next year.

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I doubt there are 10 who will be drafted who played significant minutes this year, but there are still quite a few, and why "significant minutes"? It's not like we put the "significant minutes" requirement on 2001 having 10 draftees - hanky just looked at the whole roster.

On the other hand, camp invite should not count for the current team, or the 2001 team would have had more than 10. Hell D'Amato will likely get a camp invite, and one day maybe Leininger will too.

But yeah, as far as likely draftees with significant minutes, I'll go with Coleman, Rodgers, with possibilities in the 3 WRs mentioned plus Jackson, Goff, Jefferson, and Moala, all depending to different degrees on future seasons and/or combine performances.

If you believe that our coaching just sucks all around, then we probably have some sleepers too that are much better than they currently appear and may get drafted a few years from now: e.g. Fortt, Drew, Hunter, McClure (who admittedly got injured fairly early so I guess no significant playing time). Some of our other DBs like Willis, Dozier, Walker may end up being pretty good if they develop and play for a team that doesn't give opposing QBs all day. Hell a vocal minority of this board probably believes Kline will eventually get drafted even though he never did and never will get significant minutes at Cal.

I actually think one or two young members of our OL may even have a shot at getting drafted, especially if they ever play for a different coaching staff and their talent develops. Moore is one example. A great lineman? No, certainly not yet, but promising for a frosh.

And of course, if you drop the "significant minutes" requirement and just go roster, you can begin adding guys like Scarlett, Sebastian, Forbes, maybe Cochran as potential draftees depending on future seasons and health.

Bottom line: we did not have great talent in 2013, and it was made worse by youth and injury. If that had resulted in another bad season like 2012, 3-9 with several blowout losses but also multiple close calls and a couple WINS by large margins, then those excuses would fly. When it results in a season like 2013, the worst in a long history of bad Cal Football seasons, it's very simple. We were poorly coached. Just as we were in 2001.

fairly meaningless stats. So, Goff ends up getting drafted, let's say fairly high. He was still a true freshman starting at QB. Borrayo the same thing, and certainly we all have nothing but optimism about his future.
Was there enough talent for more than one win? Okay, sure. But can we skip the "plenty of talent talk"? I love how everyone wants a top 20 team, okay, I will give you top 25 team, without consistent recruiting classes...

OneKeg;842252022 said:

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Bottom line: we did not have great talent in 2013, and it was made worse by youth and injury. If that had resulted in another bad season like 2012, 3-9 with several blowout losses but also multiple close calls and a couple WINS by large margins, then those excuses would fly. When it results in a season like 2013, the worst in a long history of bad Cal Football seasons, it's very simple. We were poorly coached. Just as we were in 2001.

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On the defensive end, how could you expect to improve when you lose 3 starters from the prior year to the NFL/graduation and then add injury and youth to the current year's team? Is this bad coaching?

Scarlett started some games last year and he was said to be the best defensive player by the coaching staff this year.

Jalil started over Moala last year and was in the two deep this year. He would have played a lot .

I don't recall what Forbes did last year but he was going to get a lot of playing time this year.

These 3 guys played zero downs in 2013.

Avery played 1plus games before getting hurt.
McCain played 3 or 4 before getting dismissed.
McClure played 6 games before getting hurt.
Sione..... Not sure if he was in the 2 deep but an experienced JC who didn't play a down.
The DB from Colorado that quit mid season but was in the two deep .

I know Oaktown doesn't 't believe in downward trends from season to season but Cal's defense wasn't very good at the end of 2012, having given up 120 points in the last two games of the year. If you add the above factors i.e. Injuries, graduation, lack of depth, learning a new system and youth, how can you expect improvement on the defensive side? Is this bad coaching? Someone said hire a better S&C coach.

More meaningless stats:

Cal's defensive 2 deep to start the season played in 66% of the games. In contrast, Stanford's 2 deep played in 91% of their games. If anything, this shows Cal had to rely on players further on down the depth charts for part of every game . There is probably a correlation here with the number of big plays given up. To put the defensive woes of 2013 all on the coaching is a stretch at best.

Bobodeluxe;842251452 said:

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D-line was borderline terrible. Runningbacks were poor. Quarterbacks ran for their lives. Receivers didn't get much separation.

Otherwise, :tedford.

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So everyone sucks except the QB & the Coaches. I'd say your motives have been clear from day one.