Reported in the last half hour by Scout and Rivals.

Darn!

That didn't take long.

Can you blame him with all of the negativity that surrounds this program? I'm not talking about coaches or players or even our record. One thing I don't understand is why people feel compelled to post so much negative stuff about the program RIGHT BEFORE LETTER OF INTENT DAY! Then, when recruits choose to go somewhere else posters say "Well, it looks like these coaches can't recruit." I'm not talking about anyone in this particular thread. I'm talking about all of the negativity that is constantly brought up, much of it like a broken record (CD), that serves no constructive purpose other than to allow the poster to vomit out whatever is bugging him or her at the moment. Most of those opinions are speculation anyway. So, my suggestion at this point is that if you want to rail on the program at least have the common sense to do it when it's not going to hurt the program. There are a lot of people who don't share such negative views and who post positive comments. But if you're like me and you go onto a site like Yelp to check out a restaurant, the negative views often seem to carry more weight than the positive.

Now who said Franklin couldn't recruit?.....:p

slobear;842269957 said:

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Can you blame him with all of the negativity that surrounds this program? I'm not talking about coaches or players or even our record. One thing I don't understand is why people feel compelled to post so much negative stuff about the program RIGHT BEFORE LETTER OF INTENT DAY! Then, when recruits choose to go somewhere else posters say "Well, it looks like these coaches can't recruit." I'm not talking about anyone in this particular thread. I'm talking about all of the negativity that is constantly brought up, much of it like a broken record (CD), that serves no constructive purpose other than to allow the poster to vomit out whatever is bugging him or her at the moment. Most of those opinions are speculation anyway. So, my suggestion at this point is that if you want to rail on the program at least have the common sense to do it when it's not going to hurt the program. There are a lot of people who don't share such negative views and who post positive comments. But if you're like me and you go onto a site like Yelp to check out a restaurant, the negative views often seem to carry more weight than the positive.

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This is the dumbest post k have read in a long time. ALL the negativity surrounding the program?? First off - we are the greatest university in the world. Second, we went 1-11 last year. PSU is just a couple years removed from child moletation charges from their coordinators. I'm pretty sure it was discussed on their boards. Tbis has to do with staffs - not fan bases. Get over it.

Good riddance. If he doesn't want to be a Bear, then who cares.

Vic Enwere, Luck Rubenzer, and Tre Watson seem pretty upset over it. Vic "I feel like i just lost a brother." Luke "Fake world we live in." Tre "Is this foreals?" The Tre Watson comment was on Koas IG post.

Wonder what Koa was saying while they all visited together last weekend for Luke to say that. I'm assuming he was assuring them he was going to be a bear.

ShoGunn;842269966 said:

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Good riddance. If he doesn't want to be a Bear, then who cares.

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He's a stud, so I care. Plus he played a couple blocks from my home at Notre Dame HS, so I've watched him for a while. He's got smart parents, and he's going to be successful no matter what he chooses even if that's not Cal. Sucks for us.

Huge loss....

So does this mean we are not going to have a top 3 recruiting class?

Sonny is going to FAIL to deliver once again?

big blow if this holds true through LOI day. Big whiffs on safeties if so two years in a row (tartabull shows promise, but Koa is a beast)

Dykes shouldn't have taken his sweet assed time hiring a new DB coach. Doubt if Farmer would've flipped if Akina was on board.

Tedhead94;842269960 said:

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This is the dumbest post k have read in a long time. ALL the negativity surrounding the program?? First off - we are the greatest university in the world. Second, we went 1-11 last year. PSU is just a couple years removed from child moletation charges from their coordinators. I'm pretty sure it was discussed on their boards. Tbis has to do with staffs - not fan bases. Get over it.

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Maybe I should have been more clear. I'm not saying that Farmer bailed because of the negativity on BI. All I am trying to say is that it makes no sense to me that posters want to bash the program when recruits are trying to make up their minds. Does that make sense?

orindabear74;842269989 said:

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Dykes shouldn't have taken his sweet assed time hiring a new DB coach. Doubt if Farmer would've flipped if Akina was on board.

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There are deeper problems that keep us from being a powerhouse football program than Dykes. We've got lots of upside, but if history is any indicator we have lots more hurdles than most institutions as well.

Something happened/or is going on with the DB coach situation and I have few answers.

Penn State has weathered that storm. Pretty interesting how the sanctions didn't really have as great an effect as people thought. My own theory is that having a real coach instead of a senile old man made up for the sanctions

slobear;842269992 said:

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Maybe I should have been more clear. I'm not saying that Farmer bailed because of the negativity on BI. All I am trying to say is that it makes no sense to me that posters want to bash the program when recruits are trying to make up their minds. Does that make sense?

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I think I see what you are trying to say but it still makes no sense. Very few are bashing the program regardless of what anyone says. We just all see the truths in a different light is all. Boards are created for just this reason. So we can all talk about our feelings and viewpoints on all things CAL. if its not positive, so be it. A recruit isn't gonna change his mind because a poster says something negative. I'm sure if we checked the penn state boards they would have their fair share of tough love too.

slobear;842269957 said:

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Can you blame him with all of the negativity that surrounds this program? I'm not talking about coaches or players or even our record. One thing I don't understand is why people feel compelled to post so much negative stuff about the program RIGHT BEFORE LETTER OF INTENT DAY! Then, when recruits choose to go somewhere else posters say "Well, it looks like these coaches can't recruit." I'm not talking about anyone in this particular thread. I'm talking about all of the negativity that is constantly brought up, much of it like a broken record (CD), that serves no constructive purpose other than to allow the poster to vomit out whatever is bugging him or her at the moment. Most of those opinions are speculation anyway. So, my suggestion at this point is that if you want to rail on the program at least have the common sense to do it when it's not going to hurt the program. There are a lot of people who don't share such negative views and who post positive comments. But if you're like me and you go onto a site like Yelp to check out a restaurant, the negative views often seem to carry more weight than the positive.

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slobear;842269992 said:

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Maybe I should have been more clear. I'm not saying that Farmer bailed because of the negativity on BI. All I am trying to say is that it makes no sense to me that posters want to bash the program when recruits are trying to make up their minds. Does that make sense?

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Has it crossed your mind that maybe the head coach should pick a time other than a week before NSD to hire his staff? This is the second year in a row his staff hiring "plan" has gone FUBAR and negatively impacted HIS recruiting class.

Darby;842270002 said:

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Has it crossed your mind that maybe the head coach should pick a time other than a week before NSD to hire his staff? This is the second year in a row his staff hiring "plan" has gone FUBAR and negatively impacted HIS recruiting class.

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You totally missed Slobear's point.

:axe

GB54;842269995 said:

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Penn State has weathered that storm. Pretty interesting how the sanctions didn't really have as great an effect as people thought. My own theory is that having a real coach instead of a senile old man made up for the sanctions

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That and the NCAA reducing the sanctions helped. Sounds like the sanctions will be reduced further and the bowl ban is likely to be lifted before next season. Basically the NCAA hammered PSU to quiet the firestorm and then when the dust settled made it all go away. Typical NCAA letting the big dogs do what they want, except of course for USC who really did get hammered considering disproportionately.

There are folks on this board, many folks, who will keep posting a negative thread to keep the campaign against Dykes from fading. Despite the fact it's clear he ain't going anywhere for at least another season. Why because these geniuses have decided that he is not worthy and don't want him to have a chance to prolong or god forbid prove otherwise. Sick stuff.

manus;842270008 said:

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You totally missed Slobear's point.

:axe

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Not at all. Slobear is bringing up trivial stuff like message board posts while the captain of SS Cal Bears is hitting an iceberg because he can't hire a staff in a timely manner. For the second year in a row. This message board is little more than a fart in the hurricane that is Cal football. To suggest we have some outsized effect on the program is grasping at straws and silly.

Penn St. is a long way from Cali and far different in terms of culture for a kid from the San Fernando Valley. It will be very interesting to hear what Farmer says after a year or two at Penn St.. I hope he likes snow.

I don't know about a fart in a hurricane. It's been mentioned over and over that recruits and players read these boards. Sure it's probably not the first thing they do when they wake up, but I can see consistent negativity without making a point having an effect...and there's absolutely no chance that effect can be positive so only downside to some of these verbal diarrhea posts. Everyone is as frustrated as the next poster here but a little support (esp when nothing is going to change this year as was pointed out) probably wouldn't be a terrible thing.

Farmer mentions something in his instagram about getting a PhD at Penn State? How in the world did we lose any edge here on the academic front to Penn State? (Putting aside APR issues which methinks are being addressed)

Darby;842270002 said:

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Has it crossed your mind that maybe the head coach should pick a time other than a week before NSD to hire his staff? This is the second year in a row his staff hiring "plan" has gone FUBAR and negatively impacted HIS recruiting class.

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You could be right but considering guys in "the know" who have posted here for years alluding to the fact that there were obstacles to hiring someone right away, it may not be Dykes fault at all. Blame him for the season, but until we know more, I can't say we can blame him for when he hired coaches....we have other parties to satisfy, donors, AD, search team, contract problems, getting the money together to pump up salaries. I'm not necessarily giving Dykes a full pardon, but it seems to me, he had to wait until all the ducks were lined up before he could pull the trigger. Too many posters are quick to pass blame when they don't know the facts nor the details involved....

upsetof86;842270021 said:

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There are folks on this board, many folks, who will keep posting a negative thread to keep the campaign against Dykes from fading. Despite the fact it's clear he ain't going anywhere for at least another season. Why because these geniuses have decided that he is not worthy and don't want him to have a chance to prolong or god forbid prove otherwise. Sick stuff.

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You can post critically on a CAL board regarding their head coach and not be against the coach.

I'm in his corner even though he seems to keep s******g the bed.

Cal_Fan2;842270046 said:

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You could be right but considering guys in "the know" who have posted here for years alluding to the fact that there were obstacles to hiring someone right away, it may not be Dykes fault at all. Blame him for the season, but until we know more, I can't say we can blame him for when he hired coaches....we have other parties to satisfy, donors, AD, search team, contract problems, getting the money together to pump up salaries. I'm not necessarily giving Dykes a full pardon, but it seems to me, he had to wait until all the ducks were lined up before he could pull the trigger. Too many posters are quick to pass blame when they don't know the facts nor the details involved....

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Very true. I would amend my other post to include large parts of CF2s.

upsetof86;842270021 said:

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There are folks on this board, many folks, who will keep posting a negative thread to keep the campaign against Dykes from fading. Despite the fact it's clear he ain't going anywhere for at least another season. Why because these geniuses have decided that he is not worthy and don't want him to have a chance to prolong or god forbid prove otherwise. Sick stuff.

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Yup. It's a total conspiracy that it took so long to fire Buh and we still dont have a DB coach. That's all on some posters on BI, not the fault of our coaching staff.

Haashole;842270041 said:

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I don't know about a fart in a hurricane. It's been mentioned over and over that recruits and players read these boards. Sure it's probably not the first thing they do when they wake up, but I can see consistent negativity without making a point having an effect...and there's absolutely no chance that effect can be positive so only downside to some of these verbal diarrhea posts. Everyone is as frustrated as the next poster here but a little support (esp when nothing is going to change this year as was pointed out) probably wouldn't be a terrible thing.

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ykes

Maybe the kid will change his mind again. CA beats the heck out of wherever that other Penn cold snow-ridden thing is. They pressured him, he rethinks it when he gets back, parent tickets to get here are cheaper than there, how well the team plays 4-5 years from now cannot be determined, our league is a good one, his NFL prospects are just as good here, he gets to play the socal teams each year (and play in L.A. area), etc., all factors I bet he wasn't concentrating on while getting the hard squeeze back there at a fast weekend.

slobear;842269957 said:

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Can you blame him with all of the negativity that surrounds this program? I'm not talking about coaches or players or even our record. One thing I don't understand is why people feel compelled to post so much negative stuff about the program RIGHT BEFORE LETTER OF INTENT DAY! Then, when recruits choose to go somewhere else posters say "Well, it looks like these coaches can't recruit." I'm not talking about anyone in this particular thread. I'm talking about all of the negativity that is constantly brought up, much of it like a broken record (CD), that serves no constructive purpose other than to allow the poster to vomit out whatever is bugging him or her at the moment. Most of those opinions are speculation anyway. So, my suggestion at this point is that if you want to rail on the program at least have the common sense to do it when it's not going to hurt the program. There are a lot of people who don't share such negative views and who post positive comments. But if you're like me and you go onto a site like Yelp to check out a restaurant, the negative views often seem to carry more weight than the positive.

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You must be kidding...

If you think these kids are basing their life choices on what we say on a FREE forum online with almost no traffic, you have lost your mind.

If the people who's major decision re Cal football is "EE or TT?" can figure out the program won 1 game, and a good season will be 3 wins, dont you think a kid who's major decision re Cal football is life changing has figured it out on his own?

The program is the problem, not the fans.

freshfunk;842270059 said:

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Yup. It's a total conspiracy that it took so long to fire Buh and we still dont have a DB coach. That's all on some posters on BI, not the fault of our coaching staff.

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That's not what I said or implied. The repeated negativity on the board is a useless drone. Useless in that it has zero "constructive" value. I could list all the individual posts that start the same diatribe in different ways. I now try to avoid responding to this baiting to try not to inadvertently keep them floating at the top of the board. This thread being an exception obviously. As fans we don't really seem to b doing our part to try and let things be decided on the field against opponents. Instead we too often snipe and paint the worst scenarios out of common situations before during and after and after and after

I know this may sound really cruel, but who in their right mind purposely seeks Penn State associated with any part of their name. Many people who are still there looked the other way but even worse were involved but for some reason the digging just stopped.

That thing went so much further than Sandusky (As Jim Rome warned would come out but didn't). I was shocked when James took the job and more shocked that Farmer de-committed there, of all places. I know people who don't even wear their Penn State stuff in public any more. Well, I guess true life is stranger than fiction; and that picture, what is either one of them smiling about. That places still echoes with screams.

Most people were happy when he (James) went to Penn State thinking no parent would allow their kid to go there without some previous tie or location.

I keep hearing how his parents are so smart and they probably are but would you let your kid go there?

upsetof86;842270072 said:

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That's not what I said or implied. The repeated negativity on the board is a useless drone. Useless in that it has zero "constructive" value. I could list all the individual posts that start the same diatribe in different ways. I now try to avoid responding to this baiting to try not to inadvertently keep them floating at the top of the board. This thread being an exception obviously. As fans we don't really seem to b doing our part to try and let things be decided on the field against opponents. Instead we too often snipe and paint the worst scenarios out of common situations before during and after and after and after

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I see your point but it begs the question whether anything said here (negative or positive) has any constructive value. Sure you get your share of useless negative posts but you also get your share of useless positive posts. (This is in contrast to useful negative and useful positive posts.)

Let me put it another way: if we had the same season, same results, same players leave but every post was a useless sunshine pumping post, do you really think our recruiting results would be different?

BI's real purpose is simply entertainment of BIers. I think that's the real point behind what you're saying... you're not entertained due to all the negativity (which is understandable).

Haashole;842270041 said:

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I don't know about a fart in a hurricane. It's been mentioned over and over that recruits and players read these boards. Sure it's probably not the first thing they do when they wake up, but I can see consistent negativity without making a point having an effect...and there's absolutely no chance that effect can be positive so only downside to some of these verbal diarrhea posts. Everyone is as frustrated as the next poster here but a little support (esp when nothing is going to change this year as was pointed out) probably wouldn't be a terrible thing.

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Nice post. If you need to vent, find another way to do it until after LOI day. Sure, it's the poster's right but have a little common sense. Why chance it?

BearlyClad makes a nice point, too. For now, this hurts. Fortunately, there is still time left and that is the silver lining.