jamonit;842272776 said:

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Well Boehm is not a QB anymore except when they run him in the bone package. They currently have 2 schollie QBs and 2 recruits which only will give us 4 QBs... We want 5 and after next year we will be there. One QB that is coming in will most likely be at least 3rd if they don't beat out Hinder for 2nd. That means one can redshirt and this will separate the class a little.

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Exactly. I didn't raise the Boehm comment b/c technically he is still a QB roster spot and Sonny is just trying to use him as best he can, but that only adds to why this isn't reckless or crazy and in fact is very thoughtful. People just gotta stop looking for reasons to knock everything SD does.

aweissburg;842272781 said:

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Exactly. I didn't raise the Boehm comment b/c technically he is still a QB roster spot and Sonny is just trying to use him as best he can, but that only adds to why this isn't reckless or crazy and in fact is very thoughtful. People just gotta stop looking for reasons to knock everything SD does.

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LOL... People not knocking Sonny for everything he does! That is a good one. :beer:

Since Goff played as a true freshman, both he and Kline had the same playing eligibility. This is why we have Kline transfering out of the program. If Kline had won the job and Goff not burnt his RS, unlikely for him to have transfered out of the program.

concernedparent;842272243 said:

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It's so disingenuous to cherry pick a few unheralded QB's while conveniently leaving out the fact that out of all the NFL QB's out there, the majority have (many) high D1 offers.

I like this guy from what I've seen of his interviews and what I know of his background. His tape makes me a little skeptical that he will be able to compete with Luke or Goff though. Reminds me of Hinder, except Hinder put up incredible numbers and had offers from 3 of the 4 California schools, Notre Dame, Alabama and like 10 other BCS conf schools.

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I watched all the tape I could find on Forrest, and I disagree that his tape shows him as being incapable of competing with Luke or Goff. He is not as dynamic of a runner as Luke, but his arm strength appears to be better than both Luke and Goff. There is a one throw from his senior reel where he throws it 55 yards in the air and on the money.

What concerns me is not his tape but rather his stats. He regressed from his junior season to his senior season and did not put up great numbers. Low total yardage, 56% completion rate, only 14 TDs to 10 INTs. His career numbers are very similar to Kyle Boehm's numbers, though Kyle had much better rushing stats than Chase. Chase's career 3 ypc isn't very impressive. LR, Hinder, Goff, and Boehm were all better runners in HS statistically. The numbers suggest a guy that isn't going to be very productive in college.

Anyone know much about MD's offense and whether there is a backstory as to why Chase's stats were so mediocre? One poster suggests that MD runs a pro-style offense, but there seemed to be quite a bit of read option in Chase's film.

Perhaps they see him as a project worth taking a gamble on.

SurvivorOf1and10fkaLEA;842272849 said:

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I watched all the tape I could find on Forrest, and I disagree that his tape shows him as being incapable of competing with Luke or Goff. He is not as dynamic of a runner as Luke, but his arm strength appears to be better than both Luke and Goff. There is a one throw from his senior reel where he throws it 55 yards in the air and on the money.

What concerns me is not his tape but rather his stats. He regressed from his junior season to his senior season and did not put up great numbers. Low total yardage, 56% completion rate, only 14 TDs to 10 INTs. His career numbers are very similar to Kyle Boehm's numbers, though Kyle had much better rushing stats than Chase. Chase's career 3 ypc isn't very impressive. LR, Hinder, Goff, and Boehm were all better runners in HS statistically. The numbers suggest a guy that isn't going to be very productive in college.

Anyone know much about MD's offense and whether there is a backstory as to why Chase's stats were so mediocre? One poster suggests that MD runs a pro-style offense, but there seemed to be quite a bit of read option in Chase's film.

Perhaps they see him as a project worth taking a gamble on.

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No way he has a better arm than Goff. Goff has a pretty damn good arm that was overshadowed by Kline's cannon. Better than Luke or Hinder I can buy. Luke's passing strength is his accuracy anyway. But 55 yards with a full wind-up in itself is not that impressive, pretty much every D1 QB can do that.

concernedparent;842272879 said:

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No way he has a better arm than Goff. Goff has a pretty damn good arm that was overshadowed by Kline's cannon. Better than Luke or Hinder I can buy. Luke's passing strength is his accuracy anyway. But 55 yards with a full wind-up in itself is not that impressive, pretty much every D1 QB can do that.

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I re-watched Goff's HS tape, and I think you are right. Regardless, I think his arm strength and athleticism (which is all you can really gather from a highlight tape) shows him capable of competing with the guys we have. His stats are what concern me. Whether it's an accuracy issue or a decision-making issue, he did not produce like a guy that will be successful at the DI level. I'm just hoping that there is another explanation, i.e., bad OC, poor OL play, etc.

Also, upon review of Chase's clips more, it's clear MD was not running a pro-style offense. He was almost never under center, and they had a lot of single back, 4 WR sets with no TE. They spread the field quite a bit and even ran some pistol.

Agree with Oak. At the start of recruiting, they probably saved an opening for a second QB in the back of their mind. As things progressed, they looked at lots of his tape and thought they might be able to do something with him. As we got down to the wire, they figured now's the time to pull the trigger.

I see a kid with decent size and movement, leading a top hs team, AND NO BAD HABITS IN HIS MOTION. He's studious, so he won't hurt us. Will work to get better. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me as the second QB in the class.

Darby;842272752 said:

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No Mater Dei QB is under the radar. It's about as high profile as you can get in Socal HS FB.

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Good point but man why does everybody keep putting words in my mouth, I made two comments, don't know the first thing about this guy, but you can't judge a guy by his offers.

Look, this recruitment thing is not so much exact science as it is scurrying around with lemming herd mentality, preconceived notions, etc. More than a few things get overlooked. Places fill up.

A lot of kids sit there waiting, not doing much, not knowing what to do, hoping somebody might show up to recruit 'em. Those guys are more likely to be found by a school not as well-known from the football standpoint. Might get an offer from a 63, maybe not from an 85. So what.

Can't judge by the offers.

:rant

Chase Forrest's numbers. As a Junior, playing only the last half of the season for Mater Dei (2012) he threw 16TDs, w/3 Int.(66% Comp.Aver., 2nd all time comp. aver. in school history.) Combined 1 1/2 seasons Forrest through 30 TDs, 15 Int., Rushed for 5 TDs (500yds Rushing), 1 1/2yr. Pass Completion Aver. = 60.%
Forresst didn't regress, instead Mater Dei had a more balanced attack: 2063 Passing/Receiving, 2,377 yds Rushing. Their leading rusher (Justin Allen) lead the team last year w/1048 yds, Forrest was #2 w/299yds.


QUOTE=SurvivorOf1and10fkaLEA;842272849]I watched all the tape I could find on Forrest, and I disagree that his tape shows him as being incapable of competing with Luke or Goff. He is not as dynamic of a runner as Luke, but his arm strength appears to be better than both Luke and Goff. There is a one throw from his senior reel where he throws it 55 yards in the air and on the money.

What concerns me is not his tape but rather his stats. He regressed from his junior season to his senior season and did not put up great numbers. Low total yardage, 56% completion rate, only 14 TDs to 10 INTs. His career numbers are very similar to Kyle Boehm's numbers, though Kyle had much better rushing stats than Chase. Chase's career 3 ypc isn't very impressive. LR, Hinder, Goff, and Boehm were all better runners in HS statistically. The numbers suggest a guy that isn't going to be very productive in college.

Anyone know much about MD's offense and whether there is a backstory as to why Chase's stats were so mediocre? One poster suggests that MD runs a pro-style offense, but there seemed to be quite a bit of read option in Chase's film.

Perhaps they see him as a project worth taking a gamble on.

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concernedparent;842272604 said:

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In no universe is a QB on a nationally ranked Mater Dei team "under the radar".

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I agree he is not under the radar, though he may still be underrated, as there are lots of examples of players on high profile teams that improved/revealed themselves to be a lot better at the next level: Joe Montana at Notre Dame, Tom Brady at Michigan, Michael Jordan at North Carolina...

It may be that his skills translate better to our offense. Dykes and Franklin are the best judges of that.

QB is by far the most important position so it is always good to have another QB in the mix.

MoragaBear;842273454 said:

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Uh, no. There's over 20,000. Some are just way more prolific than others.

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and how many quality ones?

BearlyClad;842273205 said:

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Good point but man why does everybody keep putting words in my mouth, I made two comments, don't know the first thing about this guy, but you can't judge a guy by his offers.

Look, this recruitment thing is not so much exact science as it is scurrying around with lemming herd mentality, preconceived notions, etc. More than a few things get overlooked. Places fill up.

A lot of kids sit there waiting, not doing much, not knowing what to do, hoping somebody might show up to recruit 'em. Those guys are more likely to be found by a school not as well-known from the football standpoint. Might get an offer from a 63, maybe not from an 85. So what.

Can't judge by the offers.

:rant

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I like the way Dykes and Co. are picking up guys like this.

There are others, too, in this recruiting class.

:gobears:

MoragaBear;842273454 said:

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Uh, no. There's over 20,000. Some are just way more prolific than others.

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Wow, I would have guessed around a couple thousand as well. It's impressive to have over 20k. Come on you lurkers! Comment away!

MoragaBear;842273454 said:

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Uh, no. There's over 20,000. Some are just way more prolific than others.

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By saying 2,500, I think PABear was just making a joke regarding a previous poster's remark that he was embarrassed in front of 10,000 BI members, in conjunction with Dykes remark that people on message boards have four personalities: 2,500 x 4 = 10,000.

At any rate it's good to hear there are 20,000 members on BI.