Tosh is a Cal sleeper cell, he tried to put Washington and USC on sanctions at the same time but got caught and now he has been returned to us

Davidson;842272392 said:

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You forget the two classes he built his rep on, most of those guys never played for us or made any impact regardless of stars. He then tore everything down when he left, leading to the firing of the coach that got us here and then to 1-11

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well we didnt get everyone we could have got in those classes. would we be saying how much of a failure his classes were if we had shaq, shittu, mccarthy etc here?

manus;842272391 said:

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We fans harpooned him, yes. But, not a word from fellow coaches or players.

Fact is: the players liked him and his coaching.

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That's funny. You were one of the guys leading the 'good riddance' charge against the players who left the program this off season. 'We only want guys who want to be here', right?

Why doesn't this extend to guys who not only abandoned us but who tried their damnedest to sabotage us on the way out?

i think if dykes wants him and is willing to deal with the fan backlash then let him have him. i want dykes to have all at his disposal that he thinks he needs to succeed.

You put "student" in there.

CalGang;842272314 said:

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Just cleared of wrong doing by NCAA. Now on twitter there's a lot Tosh and Cal being mentioned.

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Tosh may have made an approach thru third parties, but:

1) Its a burned bridge too far
2) We need a DB coach, and after that we have hit our coaching limit, unless we do an Alabama
3) Sonny prefers to pay his assistants the same base salary

gobears725;842272433 said:

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well we didnt get everyone we could have got in those classes. would we be saying how much of a failure his classes were if we had shaq, shittu, mccarthy etc here?

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Remind me again why they didnt come

Thank god. I want no part of him

KevBear;842272440 said:

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That's funny. You were one of the guys leading the 'good riddance' charge against the players who left the program this off season. 'We only want guys who want to be here', right?

Why doesn't this extend to guys who not only abandoned us but who tried their damnedest to sabotage us on the way out?

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Yes, "We only want guys who want to be here."

:beer:

Davidson;842272455 said:

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Remind me again why they didnt come

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im not saying that lol. just wanted to pose a different perspective

No to Tosh Snowden.

GranadaHillsBear;842272528 said:

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No to Tosh Snowden.

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don't insult Edward Snowden.

beeasyed;842272541 said:

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don't insult Edward Snowden.

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Lmao

tommie317;842272413 said:

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Tosh is a Cal sleeper cell, he tried to put Washington and USC on sanctions at the same time but got caught and now he has been returned to us

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Whelp, you win the thread.

-kap

wifeisafurd;842272451 said:

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Tosh may have made an approach thru third parties, but:

1) Its a burned bridge too far
2) We need a DB coach, and after that we have hit our coaching limit, unless we do an Alabama
3) Sonny prefers to pay his assistants the same base salary

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So Cachere is gonna stick? FML....

GranadaHillsBear;842272528 said:

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No to Tosh Snowden.

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Snowden should be Nobel winner.

Tosh can go F himself.

dan1997;842272634 said:

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So Cachere is gonna stick? FML....

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my thoughts exactly, Dan, but it seems like Dykes is unwilling to cut ties with him.

dan1997;842272634 said:

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So Cachere is gonna stick? FML....

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Now if we can just push out the current LB coach w/o paying too much money.

slider643;842272351 said:

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Which of Tosh's recruit are big time players for us?

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Keenan Allen was. As far as who was on this past year's roster: Deandre Coleman, Richard Rodgers and if they're healthy... Avery Sebastian, Mustafa Jalil, Brennan Scarlett, and Nick Forbes will be bigtime contributors for us as well.

Tosh pulled some slimy stuff but trying to act like he didn't recruit successful athletes to our program is just wrong. Everyone (including Dykes himself) lamented the fact that we had such an unfortunate run of bad luck injury-wise to some of our most talented players on defense this past year. Guess what? Most of those guys we've been talking about that we hope will return next year and make a big difference (along with more competent coaching) were recruited by Tosh.

I don't know how I feel about the prospect of Tosh coming back, but there's alot of players still on our active roster who were here pre/post Tosh. If we were to get word from them that they were okay with Tosh coming back I'd defer to their judgement. When Tosh flipped to UW there were alot of tweets from Cal players about how Tedford should never have scapegoated Tosh for injury-gate and I've always wondered if the players actually sided with Tosh over the whole thing.

Tosh undoubtedly handled the whole transition badly and I think it has made him a convenient target for alot of crap that Tedford had a hand in. For example, I often see post about how Tosh was responsible for recruiting highly rate / poor students that got us in academic hot-water. But the fact is it was Tedford's job to manage the overall academic risk profile of the team. It was Tedford who had final say over the roster and he should have been managing accordingly. Tosh's job was to close the deal and if Tedford gave him the green light to get the LOI, then close he did.

And to this day, I think even the most ardent Tosh-hater would have a hard time truly admitting that they really believe Tosh acted alone on the infamous "injury-gate" situation vs. Oregon. I've yet to meet a Cal alum who really believes that story and I often wonder if that explains why the vitriol to Tosh is often harsher from "outsiders" like ourselves, than it seems to be from current & former players who were actually part of the program when it happened.

It's against the law in Berkeley to recycle Tosh.

TKDBear;842272671 said:

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When Tosh flipped to UW there were alot of tweets from Cal players about how Tedford should never have scapegoated Tosh for injury-gate and I've always wondered if the players actually sided with Tosh over the whole thing.

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Like who? I saw a tweet from Mike Tepper about that, but no other former Cal player.

TKDBear;842272671 said:

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Keenan Allen was. As far as who was on this past year's roster: Deandre Coleman, Richard Rodgers and if they're healthy... Avery Sebastian, Mustafa Jalil, Brennan Scarlett, and Nick Forbes will be bigtime contributors for us as well.

Tosh pulled some slimy stuff but trying to act like he didn't recruit successful athletes to our program is just wrong. Everyone (including Dykes himself) lamented the fact that we had such an unfortunate run of bad luck injury-wise to some of our most talented players on defense this past year. Guess what? Most of those guys we've been talking about that we hope will return next year and make a big difference (along with more competent coaching) were recruited by Tosh.

I don't know how I feel about the prospect of Tosh coming back, but there's alot of players still on our active roster who were here pre/post Tosh. If we were to get word from them that they were okay with Tosh coming back I'd defer to their judgement. When Tosh flipped to UW there were alot of tweets from Cal players about how Tedford should never have scapegoated Tosh for injury-gate and I've always wondered if the players actually sided with Tosh over the whole thing.

Tosh undoubtedly handled the whole transition badly and I think it has made him a convenient target for alot of crap that Tedford had a hand in. For example, I often see post about how Tosh was responsible for recruiting highly rate / poor students that got us in academic hot-water. But the fact is it was Tedford's job to manage the overall academic risk profile of the team. It was Tedford who had final say over the roster and he should have been managing accordingly. Tosh's job was to close the deal and if Tedford gave him the green light to get the LOI, then close he did.

And to this day, I think even the most ardent Tosh-hater would have a hard time truly admitting that they really believe Tosh acted alone on the infamous "injury-gate" situation vs. Oregon. I've yet to meet a Cal alum who really believes that story and I often wonder if that explains why the vitriol to Tosh is often harsher from "outsiders" like ourselves, than it seems to be from current & former players who were actually part of the program when it happened.

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So three players. I don't think that's successful recruiting.

slider643;842272758 said:

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So three players. I don't think that's successful recruiting.

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To be fair Sebastian/Jalil/Scarlett/Forbes weren't injury prone coming out of high school to my knowledge. (Actually maybe Scarlett was? Can't quite remember).

I wouldn't ding Tosh for recruiting those guys. Avery was a great pickup even if he hasn't been able to get on the field.

TKDBear;842272671 said:

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Tosh undoubtedly handled the whole transition badly and I think it has made him a convenient target for alot of crap that Tedford had a hand in. For example, I often see post about how Tosh was responsible for recruiting highly rate / poor students that got us in academic hot-water. But the fact is it was Tedford's job to manage the overall academic risk profile of the team. It was Tedford who had final say over the roster and he should have been managing accordingly. Tosh's job was to close the deal and if Tedford gave him the green light to get the LOI, then close he did.

And to this day, I think even the most ardent Tosh-hater would have a hard time truly admitting that they really believe Tosh acted alone on the infamous "injury-gate" situation vs. Oregon. I've yet to meet a Cal alum who really believes that story and I often wonder if that explains why the vitriol to Tosh is often harsher from "outsiders" like ourselves, than it seems to be from current & former players who were actually part of the program when it happened.

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Academics and injury gate...fine, whatever.

Showing up to a premiere recruits door while you are on Cal's staff and recruiting the kid to come to your next gig, then playing travel / phone games with your boss to conceal your plan...this is just a touch more significant than "handl(ing) the whole transition badly". For me it is unforgivable and Tosh can go Eff himself for life for this one alone.

tequila4kapp;842272848 said:

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Academics and injury gate...fine, whatever.

Showing up to a premiere recruits door while you are on Cal's staff and recruiting the kid to come to your next gig, then playing travel / phone games with your boss to conceal your plan...this is just a touch more significant than "handl(ing) the whole transition badly". For me it is unforgivable and Tosh can go Eff himself for life for this one alone.

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its on sonny. im pretty sure sonny and sandy know that tosh would not be well received by the fanbase. if sonny wants him bad enough and thinks that he can help him on his staff, then as a supporter of the program, i want sonny to have what he wants. i wouldnt be a fan of the move but im sure sonny would have a much better idea than i would as to the risk, reward to hiring a tosh. fans say theyll never forgive until we win, then people tend to put these things on the back burner. sonny and sandy know this im sure.

Sure, let's make this dumpster fire go nuclear! Bring back Tosh!

The whole idea of Tosh coming back to Cal is pretty damned impossible to fathom. But for those who want to argue the side that would consider it, can I add that before ANY further conversation on the matter is had, Tosh should simply have the mea culpa interviews with all parties concerned, including all of us.

Answer [U]every single question[/U] we have in an honest and up front manner, and only THEN will I consider it. Otherwise, go F yourself, jump off a bridge, and good luck recruiting in some other state far far away from California.

Without such an admittance of fault, and apology, Tosh's name is not only mud with all of us, but his grandfather is surely spinning in his grave:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=6272961

He has done shame to his family name that will last about as long as the memory of Lupoi's market. Either apologize and bow your head in shame, submitting to our whim, or be gone and never come back.

gobears725;842272857 said:

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its on sonny. im pretty sure sonny and sandy know that tosh would not be well received by the fanbase. if sonny wants him bad enough and thinks that he can help him on his staff, then as a supporter of the program, i want sonny to have what he wants. i wouldnt be a fan of the move but im sure sonny would have a much better idea than i would as to the risk, reward to hiring a tosh.

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That's silly logic. What if Sonny wants all the players to bulk up on Steroids, HGH, the Clear, and play on amphetamines, have hookers after the games, and speedballs during the offseason?

concordtom;842272864 said:

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That's silly logic. What if Sonny wants all the players to bulk up on Steroids, HGH, the Clear, and play on amphetamines, have hookers after the games, and speedballs during the offseason?

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So, what if he wants us to employ SEC and FSU tactics?

"keep your friends close and your enemies closer" :headbang

concordtom;842272864 said:

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That's silly logic. What if Sonny wants all the players to bulk up on Steroids, HGH, the Clear, and play on amphetamines, have hookers after the games, and speedballs during the offseason?

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since when is tosh an illegal drug? taking my own personal feelings on the matter out of it. i want our head coach to have the ability to choose whoever he wants. whether its a d-bag like tosh or not. i want sonny to reap whatever he sows in this regard. i dont believe its up to the fanbase or donors to micromanage sonny in this regard, you choose him, hes your responsibility.

gobears725;842272898 said:

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since when is tosh an illegal drug? taking my own personal feelings on the matter out of it. i want our head coach to have the ability to choose whoever he wants. whether its a d-bag like tosh or not. i want sonny to reap whatever he sows in this regard. i dont believe its up to the fanbase or donors to micromanage sonny in this regard, you choose him, hes your responsibility.

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I understand what you are saying, but I think you are wrong. The administration has a responsibility to the school that transcends the coach. I realize it is a different paradigm but imagine a hypothetical where Sonny wanted a coach with a track record of violating NCAA rules then leaving the school when the sh*t hit the fan. In this hypothetical the administration (and to some lesser tangential degree the fans/alums) has a responsibility to say no.

tequila4kapp;842272923 said:

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I understand what you are saying, but I think you are wrong. The administration has a responsibility to the school that transcends the coach. I realize it is a different paradigm but imagine a hypothetical where Sonny wanted a coach with a track record of violating NCAA rules then leaving the school when the sh*t hit the fan. In this hypothetical the administration (and to some lesser tangential degree the fans/alums) has a responsibility to say no.

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he has a track record of straddling the line though. i believe tosh operates in a lot of grey area in regards to the rules. if it were hal mumme who has an actual history of violating rules then i completely agree with you. tosh doesnt actually have a history, its a lot of mudslinging and broken hearts and promises, but the history of breaking rules for tosh seems to exagerated on our part due to our own personal feelings on the matter

I love the idea of Tosh trying to come back and having the door shut on him. And after only 2 years. Delicious.

concordtom;842272864 said:

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That's silly logic. What if Sonny wants all the players to bulk up on Steroids, HGH, the Clear, and play on amphetamines, have hookers after the games, and speedballs during the offseason?

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All of the above sounds better than giving any more money to Tosh.

Other than the Stanford football team, I have no reason to hate PEDs.

For those that forgot, Tosh recruited for UW and reportedly bad-mouthed Cal while still employed by Cal, which also used up our last in-home visit before LOI day, allowing him two visits on behalf of UW and leaving the impression with recruits that Cal was not interested.