Bear Raid Quick Passing Game

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slider643
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The Air Raid, and Franklin's brand specifically, is not so much about the plays but how teams practice. The System isn't an offensive scheme, it's a practice philosophy. All the Air Raid branches are slightly different, what is consistent is the very large number of offensive reps every practice. If you ever watch the high school teams that use The System, you'll see some similar formations and plays, but you'll see a wide variety of philosophies from Chip Kelly style read option run first to Mike Leach style all out passing.

As berk18 mentioned, there's nothing our players are doing schematically that almost every other passing attack uses. Last season, we had poor OL play (youth and injuries) so we couldn't run the ball and couldn't protect the passer. There isn't a system out there that can be successful with those limitations.
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berk18;842283697 said:

Execution involves the QB making a quick decisive read. The faster he gets the ball out, the less time the LB has to get to the receiver.


This may be what you were discussing in your response, but I think we need to get better at throwing to spots and not receivers. Like the hole throw, the QB has to throw to a spot and hopes the receiver gets there. I'm always amazed when I watch pro football field level views and see how the good QB's seem to throw at an empty spot and a receiver "appears" at the last second to make the catch.

I thought Goff and the receivers did a decent job of being on the same page based on the amount of time they had in this offense and working together. We should only get better.
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berk18;842283732 said:

I've attacked the idea that we can't run our plays against athletic defenses in a number of different ways, but maybe a new approach is in order. We can look at your example of the Campbell INT. There is nothing uniquely Air Raid about throwing down the seam vs. Cover-3. The Air Raid isn't distinct because of the plays it uses or the concepts that those plays are built on. You can find triangle reads, floods, etc. in every pro-style play-book. The concepts work every Sunday against the most athletic defenses in the game. The Air Raid isn't distinct because of what it does run, but rather because of what it doesn't. In short, the Air Raid is different in the big picture in terms of its attack strategy and adjustments, but from snap to whistle it doesn't ask its players to do anything that every other offense wouldn't also ask them to do. You can argue that a limited playbook is easier to defend for other reasons, but athleticism isn't the crux here.


OK
Thanks for filling me in.

Let me be clear that my concerns are specific to the quick out pass portion of the short passing game which is supposed to the staple of it.

Some of my comments are based on claims made by Dykes about the offense. From what I remember, a big key was winning match-ups. Due to the practice style alluded to by slider above, players become experts at executing plays through sheer repetition. Then they can win those match-ups in space because of perfect timing. In this sense, the claim was/is that it doesn't matter if teams know what's coming, the perfect execution would win out. But this is not what I saw at all. Maybe it was because it was the first year. Maybe it was because, as slider said, we lacked the OL and running game. But the short passing game did not work very well even if we executed the play well because defenses closed quickly knowing it was coming. When we ran misdirection plays, we tended to fool the defense and got more yardage.

To me this shows that it does matter whether or not the defense knows what is coming. It also shows that creating mismatches on paper and running tons of reps in practice does not really translate to the field when defensive players are good enough to compensate with great individual effort. And Dykes admitted that practices were not translating to games. For example, there are players that simply blow through a double team block to make the tackle. That doesn't show up on paper. And it seems that there are plenty of defenses with those type of players in the pac-12.

I'll admit that part of the problem with the quick out was that our inside receivers didn't block well much of the time. But I don't get how those failures could happen if players are practicing their blocking assignments with a great deal of repetitions involved.

The upshot is that, while the offense looks good in theory, the ability of the bear-raid to win matchups and get YAC just wasn't happening. It was especially disappointing since Cal used the quick out on first down, in lieu of a running game. Too often, those plays resulted in 2nd and long, a situation that, as you mentioned, resulted in pressure on our QB.

Until we have a proven OL, I really don't see any of this changing at Cal. And will improvements with our OL effctively compensate for the trend towards better defensive fronts in the conference?

The bottom line is that, right now Cal is losing physical matchups because they are not as strong, fast or tough and no amount of reps is going to change that. That is not to say Cal is a weak team, but it does point to Dykes unfamiliarity with how good the conference is now. Hopefully a full year of off-season work after that dismal season will prove that Dykes and the Cal team learned where the bar is set when it comes to conditioning. But I'm not expecting much.
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heartofthebear;842283827 said:

OK
Thanks for filling me in.

Let me be clear that my concerns are specific to the quick out pass portion of the short passing game which is supposed to the staple of it.

Some of my comments are based on claims made by Dykes about the offense. From what I remember, a big key was winning match-ups. Due to the practice style alluded to by slider above, players become experts at executing plays through sheer repetition. Then they can win those match-ups in space because of perfect timing. In this sense, the claim was/is that it doesn't matter if teams know what's coming, the perfect execution would win out. But this is not what I saw at all. Maybe it was because it was the first year. Maybe it was because, as slider said, we lacked the OL and running game. But the short passing game did not work very well even if we executed the play well because defenses closed quickly knowing it was coming. When we ran misdirection plays, we tended to fool the defense and got more yardage.

To me this shows that it does matter whether or not the defense knows what is coming. It also shows that creating mismatches on paper and running tons of reps in practice does not really translate to the field when defensive players are good enough to compensate with great individual effort. And Dykes admitted that practices were not translating to games. For example, there are players that simply blow through a double team block to make the tackle. That doesn't show up on paper. And it seems that there are plenty of defenses with those type of players in the pac-12.

I'll admit that part of the problem with the quick out was that our inside receivers didn't block well much of the time. But I don't get how those failures could happen if players are practicing their blocking assignments with a great deal of repetitions involved.

The upshot is that, while the offense looks good in theory, the ability of the bear-raid to win matchups and get YAC just wasn't happening. It was especially disappointing since Cal used the quick out on first down, in lieu of a running game. Too often, those plays resulted in 2nd and long, a situation that, as you mentioned, resulted in pressure on our QB.

Until we have a proven OL, I really don't see any of this changing at Cal. And will improvements with our OL effctively compensate for the trend towards better defensive fronts in the conference?

The bottom line is that, right now Cal is losing physical matchups because they are not as strong, fast or tough and no amount of reps is going to change that. That is not to say Cal is a weak team, but it does point to Dykes unfamiliarity with how good the conference is now. Hopefully a full year of off-season work after that dismal season will prove that Dykes and the Cal team learned where the bar is set when it comes to conditioning. But I'm not expecting much.


I think the bolded says it all. System/scheme doesn't matter if you don't have an OL. You can't compensate for getting beat in the trenches. Furd's offense wouldn't work without OL. Alabama's offense wouldn't work without an OL. It's not specific to Cal or this coaching staff.

As for winning individual match ups for YAC, a big part of it is scheme. Franklin, in recent years, has kept defenses from sitting on the short passing game by running about 50% of the time, using play action and also passing to deeper routes. He uses tempo to wear out the defense and give his team an execution edge. Unfortunately with our OL last season, we couldn't run and use play action or protect well enough to consistently throw downfield so defenses only had to worry about the short passing game. Without first downs, we couldn't fatigue defenses enough to gain an additional execution edge.

Other Air Raid teams also use running and deeper routes to keep teams from sitting on the short passing game, which is still their bread and butter. Leach uses more deep passes, Holgorsen uses more running, Sumlin had a very athletic QB. You still need something to keep teams off of your bread and butter. It's tough to do anything, regardless of execution advantage, if the defense knows that is the only thing you can do.

I think we'll see a different offense this season. The OL will hopefully be healthy and will have a year of experience. Hopefully, that will give us a running game, play action and protection for throwing deeper routes. We should also have an improved defense, which IMO was the biggest factor hampering our offense. We didn't go at tempo after the first three games. Once we figured out our defense was terrible, it looked like they pulled in the reins on the offense and got too slow and too conservative in an effort to keep our defense off of the field.
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heartofthebear;842283827 said:

OK
Thanks for filling me in.

Let me be clear that my concerns are specific to the quick out pass portion of the short passing game which is supposed to the staple of it.

Some of my comments are based on claims made by Dykes about the offense. From what I remember, a big key was winning match-ups. Due to the practice style alluded to by slider above, players become experts at executing plays through sheer repetition. Then they can win those match-ups in space because of perfect timing. In this sense, the claim was/is that it doesn't matter if teams know what's coming, the perfect execution would win out. But this is not what I saw at all. Maybe it was because it was the first year. Maybe it was because, as slider said, we lacked the OL and running game. But the short passing game did not work very well even if we executed the play well because defenses closed quickly knowing it was coming. When we ran misdirection plays, we tended to fool the defense and got more yardage.

To me this shows that it does matter whether or not the defense knows what is coming. It also shows that creating mismatches on paper and running tons of reps in practice does not really translate to the field when defensive players are good enough to compensate with great individual effort. And Dykes admitted that practices were not translating to games. For example, there are players that simply blow through a double team block to make the tackle. That doesn't show up on paper. And it seems that there are plenty of defenses with those type of players in the pac-12.

I'll admit that part of the problem with the quick out was that our inside receivers didn't block well much of the time. But I don't get how those failures could happen if players are practicing their blocking assignments with a great deal of repetitions involved.

The upshot is that, while the offense looks good in theory, the ability of the bear-raid to win matchups and get YAC just wasn't happening. It was especially disappointing since Cal used the quick out on first down, in lieu of a running game. Too often, those plays resulted in 2nd and long, a situation that, as you mentioned, resulted in pressure on our QB.

Until we have a proven OL, I really don't see any of this changing at Cal. And will improvements with our OL effctively compensate for the trend towards better defensive fronts in the conference?

The bottom line is that, right now Cal is losing physical matchups because they are not as strong, fast or tough and no amount of reps is going to change that. That is not to say Cal is a weak team, but it does point to Dykes unfamiliarity with how good the conference is now. Hopefully a full year of off-season work after that dismal season will prove that Dykes and the Cal team learned where the bar is set when it comes to conditioning. But I'm not expecting much.

For the offense to run as advertised, we need to stop playing from being multiple scores behind early in the game. A healthy defense should make that a reality. We also need to get a full-sized running back that can run between the tackles and not go down at first contact, and then make someone miss. The speed guys we have (had) couldn't do that last year. Teams would give us the quick outs, because they KNEW they were coming and were prepared to stop them. We have 8 starting linemen coming back, older and with a full year of conditioning in this program. The offense will work, but this is a team game and all facets of team play have to work for the team to be successful.
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heartofthebear;842283827 said:

OK
Thanks for filling me in.

Let me be clear that my concerns are specific to the quick out pass portion of the short passing game which is supposed to the staple of it.

Some of my comments are based on claims made by Dykes about the offense. From what I remember, a big key was winning match-ups. Due to the practice style alluded to by slider above, players become experts at executing plays through sheer repetition. Then they can win those match-ups in space because of perfect timing. In this sense, the claim was/is that it doesn't matter if teams know what's coming, the perfect execution would win out. But this is not what I saw at all. Maybe it was because it was the first year. Maybe it was because, as slider said, we lacked the OL and running game. But the short passing game did not work very well even if we executed the play well because defenses closed quickly knowing it was coming. When we ran misdirection plays, we tended to fool the defense and got more yardage.

To me this shows that it does matter whether or not the defense knows what is coming. It also shows that creating mismatches on paper and running tons of reps in practice does not really translate to the field when defensive players are good enough to compensate with great individual effort. And Dykes admitted that practices were not translating to games. For example, there are players that simply blow through a double team block to make the tackle. That doesn't show up on paper. And it seems that there are plenty of defenses with those type of players in the pac-12.

I'll admit that part of the problem with the quick out was that our inside receivers didn't block well much of the time. But I don't get how those failures could happen if players are practicing their blocking assignments with a great deal of repetitions involved.

The upshot is that, while the offense looks good in theory, the ability of the bear-raid to win matchups and get YAC just wasn't happening. It was especially disappointing since Cal used the quick out on first down, in lieu of a running game. Too often, those plays resulted in 2nd and long, a situation that, as you mentioned, resulted in pressure on our QB.

Until we have a proven OL, I really don't see any of this changing at Cal. And will improvements with our OL effctively compensate for the trend towards better defensive fronts in the conference?

The bottom line is that, right now Cal is losing physical matchups because they are not as strong, fast or tough and no amount of reps is going to change that. That is not to say Cal is a weak team, but it does point to Dykes unfamiliarity with how good the conference is now. Hopefully a full year of off-season work after that dismal season will prove that Dykes and the Cal team learned where the bar is set when it comes to conditioning. But I'm not expecting much.


to add, another part of it was Goff's inexperience. the timing wasnt perfect a lot of the time, in fact far from that. If Goff really has the timing down, he'd be throwing a lot of his passes prior to the receivers making their cut, so as soon as they cut and turn their head, the ball is there. when they say perfect execution, thats what i think that they are talking about, if he makes the throws like this, its virtually unguardable.

I also think that Goff had a tendency to look outside first or look off his inside reads too quickly because it was more comfortable for him rather than to go up the middle of the field because theres more margin for error on the outside. its partially why rodgers didnt have as many catches as you would have liked to see and why harper also didnt have many catches when he moved to inside receiver(plus getting dinged up)
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heartofthebear;842283827 said:

OK
Thanks for filling me in.

Let me be clear that my concerns are specific to the quick out pass portion of the short passing game which is supposed to the staple of it.

Some of my comments are based on claims made by Dykes about the offense. From what I remember, a big key was winning match-ups. Due to the practice style alluded to by slider above, players become experts at executing plays through sheer repetition. Then they can win those match-ups in space because of perfect timing. In this sense, the claim was/is that it doesn't matter if teams know what's coming, the perfect execution would win out. But this is not what I saw at all. Maybe it was because it was the first year. Maybe it was because, as slider said, we lacked the OL and running game. But the short passing game did not work very well even if we executed the play well because defenses closed quickly knowing it was coming. When we ran misdirection plays, we tended to fool the defense and got more yardage.

To me this shows that it does matter whether or not the defense knows what is coming. It also shows that creating mismatches on paper and running tons of reps in practice does not really translate to the field when defensive players are good enough to compensate with great individual effort. And Dykes admitted that practices were not translating to games. For example, there are players that simply blow through a double team block to make the tackle. That doesn't show up on paper. And it seems that there are plenty of defenses with those type of players in the pac-12.

I'll admit that part of the problem with the quick out was that our inside receivers didn't block well much of the time. But I don't get how those failures could happen if players are practicing their blocking assignments with a great deal of repetitions involved.

The upshot is that, while the offense looks good in theory, the ability of the bear-raid to win matchups and get YAC just wasn't happening. It was especially disappointing since Cal used the quick out on first down, in lieu of a running game. Too often, those plays resulted in 2nd and long, a situation that, as you mentioned, resulted in pressure on our QB.

Until we have a proven OL, I really don't see any of this changing at Cal. And will improvements with our OL effctively compensate for the trend towards better defensive fronts in the conference?

The bottom line is that, right now Cal is losing physical matchups because they are not as strong, fast or tough and no amount of reps is going to change that. That is not to say Cal is a weak team, but it does point to Dykes unfamiliarity with how good the conference is now. Hopefully a full year of off-season work after that dismal season will prove that Dykes and the Cal team learned where the bar is set when it comes to conditioning. But I'm not expecting much.


I agree with Slider. If there is no credible run threat, the BearRaid does not work well. It will get yards in the mid-field but stall in the Red(Blue) Zone. It will also prevent the big YAC plays because the DB's can sit back to protect against the pass.
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As we reach a consensus regarding the importance of the OL to the bear-raid as well as any other type of offense, it raises a still more disturbing question--why Yenser?

I don't have anything against Yenser and he may prove to be a success. But he is an experiment nonetheless. Why would you experiment at such a crucial position? I suspect the answer is $$

If true, it shows that the Cal football program remains one marred by questionable decisions about how to scale the pay of it's coaches and assistants.

Going back to the Tosh episode and even before that to the decision to have Michalczik do double duty as OL coach and OC, even though he had very little quality experience as OC, a pattern has emerged that shows that there is very little understanding about the fact that some coaches are more important than others and that, to obtain and retain a quality coaching staff you need to have quality coordinators, a quality OL coach, a quality HC, quality skill position coaches and at least serviceable defensive coaches who can recruit. Cal has never been able to get all these folks under the roof at once because they always decide to skimp on somebody's $$. Not a complaint, just an observation that this problem is not new at Cal. In fact it is the MO.

What is inexcusable is for Cal to go so long without a quality OL coach who was 100% an OL coach. Michalczik was doing double duty. Before that there was Marshall. Before that there was Michalczik at 100% OL(2008). In those days we had a decent offense. So it's been 5 years. During that time we've spent millions on facilities and changed the HC. We also signed a TV contract that brings in millions, although most of that is going to pay off debts. You mean we couldn't have found an OL coach better than what we've had? What is going on at Cal that our HCs have to be so consistently marginal with their choice of OL coach?:headbang
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So if Rubenzer comes in and adjusts to this offense quickly, would he be a better bet than Goff to make this offense work? I would think a defense would need to make some major adjustments to respond to his constant running and roll-out threat. Also, is Rubenzer a better long-ball passer than Goff based on what anyone has seen of him?
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annarborbear;842283882 said:

So if Rubenzer comes in and adjusts to this offense quickly, would he be a better bet than Goff to make this offense work? I would think a defense would need to make some major adjustments to respond to his constant running and roll-out threat. Also, is Rubenzer a better long-ball passer than Goff based on what anyone has seen of him?


based on what ive seen of rubenzer, i think that he may very well be a threat to Goff because based on playmaking ability, Rubenzer has a lot more natural talent than Goff in that regard. but Goff still shouldnt lose the starting position, with a year under his belt. if Goff continues to advance mentally at the position as far as reads and making the right throw, i cant see him losing the position. if he regresses though, Rubenzer comes into play
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gobears725;842283894 said:

based on what ive seen of rubenzer, i think that he may very well be a threat to Goff because based on playmaking ability, Rubenzer has a lot more natural talent than Goff in that regard. but Goff still shouldnt lose the starting position, with a year under his belt. if Goff continues to advance mentally at the position as far as reads and making the right throw, i cant see him losing the position. if he regresses though, Rubenzer comes into play


Yes and remember that Goff came in early and was here for last year's Spring Practice, so he is actually one year + up on Rubenzer.

I thought I read here that Rubenzer ran the actual TFS in high school. Can anyone confirm that? What about Marin Catholic (Goff). I heard that was a spread system.
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Big C_Cal;842283918 said:

Yes and remember that Goff came in early and was here for last year's Spring Practice, so he is actually one year + up on Rubenzer.

I thought I read here that Rubenzer ran the actual TFS in high school. Can anyone confirm that? What about Marin Catholic (Goff). I heard that was a spread system.


now that you mention it, rubenzer not being here for spring pretty much takes him out of starting this year unless goff gets injured. im pretty sure rubenzer ran the TFS in high school. pretty sure his high school coach was at one of TFS seminars this offseason
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gobears725;842283920 said:

now that you mention it, rubenzer not being here for spring pretty much takes him out of starting this year unless goff gets injured. im pretty sure rubenzer ran the TFS in high school. pretty sure his high school coach was at one of TFS seminars this offseason


Which leads to the question...

How similar is the TFS that a high school uses to the one that TF used last year at Cal?

Obviously, a HS coach goes to the seminar, adopts the system and then may or may not personalize it to some extent. By the same token, TF may use other stuff on a college team and, apparently, did need to adapt it last season, when faced with our defensive shortcomings and OL woes.
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Big C_Cal;842283981 said:

Which leads to the question...

How similar is the TFS that a high school uses to the one that TF used last year at Cal?

Obviously, a HS coach goes to the seminar, adopts the system and then may or may not personalize it to some extent. By the same token, TF may use other stuff on a college team and, apparently, did need to adapt it last season, when faced with our defensive shortcomings and OL woes.


i imagine that it would shorten Rubenzer's learning curve quite a bit, but he'd still need to learn how to run the system against college athletes and pick up the details of it that arent likely run at the high school level. if Goff went down with an injury, he could probably be a very capable back up this year based on RBZ's athleticism and his own experience running the system in high school. If Goff does go down and Rubenzer gets a good number of snaps this year, Id expect that he'd have a very good chance to snag the job away from Goff the next year. The key to Goff keeping his job is going to be his health. hope he understands that going through this offseason as far as getting stronger and getting ready to take some hits.
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gobears725;842283985 said:

i imagine that it would shorten Rubenzer's learning curve quite a bit, but he'd still need to learn how to run the system against college athletes and pick up the details of it that arent likely run at the high school level. if Goff went down with an injury, he could probably be a very capable back up this year based on RBZ's athleticism and his own experience running the system in high school. If Goff does go down and Rubenzer gets a good number of snaps this year, Id expect that he'd have a very good chance to snag the job away from Goff the next year. The key to Goff keeping his job is going to be his health. hope he understands that going through this offseason as far as getting stronger and getting ready to take some hits.


Also of concern: The extent to which his shoulder injury has been hampering his strength training.
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