SRBear;842295041 said:

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It's rare when someone can comment, "Nice rack", and not raise too many eyebrows.

However, there is this:

Tedhead94;842295094 said:

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Simply put, I feel it provides the opportunity to either exonerate this players name in the eyes of some or allow for the player to exhibit penance through community service, etc. openly thereby rehabilitating himself to the fanbase.

I mean its not as if this was an event a young adult can't recover from and hale has obviously provided this opportunity by refusing to press any charges. I'd like to know if all of the conditions have been and are bsing met and that the staff is actively and honestly administering them. It allows for both the staff and player to show its commitment.

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per the article, if the ADA doesn't prosecute, then it'll be that the player in question completed the "sanctions"

grandmastapoop;842295064 said:

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While they draft their response, I think you should explain why it matters. I do not know who the player is, and I do not care. I understand that some people know. What do you gain by discussing the name openly?

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I don't care either...but it IS weird that while FH's name is in the papers and being tossed about (the victim), the person who cause this whole incident is being protected. I understand that this incident may not have been as important or heinous as other crimes...but isn't the MO usually the other way around?? Why use FH's name (other than it was impossible to hide as he went to the hospital, spoke openly about it, etc.) and yet go to such lengths to keep the other party secret?

Any other crime and people would be up in arms that the victim was named while the (alleged) perpetrator was not. I cant even think of another example where this is the case, although I will admit that in the case of minors maybe it would be the case. Maybe I just answered my own question?

okaydo;842294891 said:

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Henry K. Lee, the author of that article who has been covering the UCPD for nearly a quarter-century (for the Chron and Daily Cal), is one of the best in the biz in meticulously writing about crime. If he has an "allegedly" in there, or an "accused," there is probably a very good reason for it. I think you drop the "allegedly" when a case is legally settled.

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Okaydo, As a practicing journalist, I would say this is an anachronism more or less from the old days of daily newspapering. It's meant to protect news media from libel, but since the perp goes unnamed, not sure what the purpose is here in this case. Also, the student has admitted that he hit Hale, so the details of the assault and battery no longer fall under the realm of allegedly.

Ace4eVer;842295091 said:

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I don't know if there were multiple bearants around, but there was one who had posts/information that seemed to corroborate his... bearantness.
He never said Hale or his son was transferring though. He called out a separate transfer that proved out to be true.

I suppose one of our lawyers can chime in, but I would think the information should be public. I don't understand how this split works where the government is getting involved in a case but are saying that the internal punishment is enough. It seems strange to me that the DA would say he could still file charges, like on a whim.

I imagine things got more or less smoothed out in the locker room and Hale bought in to the punishment. I hope things are actually done because these guys need to focus just to become respectable in 2014.

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I'm not a criminal lawyer, but DA's all the time make decisions on whether to charge, or what to charge based on the facts that they are aware of. He's arguably doing the right thing here - he knows that the situation is being handled with some form of punishment (community service, suspension, etc.) He is weighing that punishment versus the resources that it would take to bring a misdemeanor charge against the suspect to verdict, and deciding what justice that conviction would bring to the parties involved. He's also likely considering whether hale would be a willing participant in cooperating and/or testifying as the complaining witness. They don't necessarily need him if there are other witnesses, but the victims decision on whether they want to testify or not should be considered. If hale says he doesn't want to assist, depending upon the circumstances it might make sense to respect that wish.

26---that's it. #5

AirOski;842295123 said:

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Okaydo, As a practicing journalist, I would say this is an anachronism more or less from the old days of daily newspapering. It's meant to protect news media from libel, but since the perp goes unnamed, not sure what the purpose is here in this case. Also, the student has admitted that he hit Hale, so the details of the assault and battery no longer fall under the realm of allegedly.

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But the perp could still be named if charges are filed.

Also, we're hearing everything through the filter of the Athletic Department, which has its own agenda. (I'm not accusing the Athletic Department of lying, just pointing out that we've only heard a certain side of the story.)

He may have admitted to assaulting Hale, but if he's charged and he pleads not guilty and the case goes to trial, we could hear all sorts of stories that changes the entire dynamic of the situation. And what if he's found not guilty? Well, then he legally didn't assault the guy.

Big C_Cal;842295032 said:

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The "perp" was almost certainly a walk-on, about as well known as Hale, i.e. to most of us, the name will be meaningless.

Do we really need to know? What will we do, once we know?

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Why would you think the "perp" is a walk-on?

I too find it odd that the victim can be named directly and that the coach in question can be determined by simply identifying him by his title. All this silence suggests there is something fishy going on.

Something else that was never resolved was the allegation that the "perp" was in fact dressed on the sidelines even though Dykes & Co. said the exact opposite after the fact. If the alleged perp is correct, his presence on the sideline was substantiated by a screen shot of the game that occurred between the incident and when Sonny made his statement. I find some of the allegations related to when and how the AD responded to this issue disturbing and the alleged lie about whether the perp was in fact dressed brings up more questions as to how the AD is handling this issue.

Based on what I know to be the situation, the perp in question is actually a very good kid who just made a mistake in the heat of the moment.

Tedhead94;842295094 said:

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Simply put, I feel it provides the opportunity to either exonerate this players name in the eyes of some or allow for the player to exhibit penance through community service, etc. openly thereby rehabilitating himself to the fanbase.

I mean its not as if this was an event a young adult can't recover from and hale has obviously provided this opportunity by refusing to press any charges. I'd like to know if all of the conditions have been and are bsing met and that the staff is actively and honestly administering them. It allows for both the staff and player to show its commitment.

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You can't really believe that load of bull you just tried to feed, can you? Some people apparently know the name of the player. Some do not. We have been told that he has been punished by the school and is serving some sort of punishment. If he fulfills his obligations, the D.A. has decided not to prosecute.

If you know the kid's name, you don't need to have it openly discussed in order to rehabilitate himself in your eyes. Frankly, your opinion doesn't matter one bit. But even if it did, openly discussing changes nothing - you know who it is, and he's been punished.

If you don't know the kid's name, you don't need to have it openly discussed in order to rehabilitate himself in your eyes because you don't know who the player is to begin with. You can accept the fact that the University and law enforcement all appear to be pleased with the punishment assessed, and move on.

I think the real reason you want the name openly discussed, because your stated reason makes no sense, is so that the player can be vilified by the fan base. He must be properly shamed in the public. Either that, or a simple rubbernecking desire.

At this point, I think it's just best to leave it be. I still do not see what you gain from discussing the player's name on a public forum. You are free to do what you want, and this is only my opinion. Of course, if you choose to openly discuss it in defiance of the rules of this board, they are free to take appropriate action against you.

Another reason you might not want to discuss the player openly is because, from my understanding of how you know, it doesn't seem airtight. You may openly discuss the wrong player. That would not be good, and could open you up to some legal ramifications.

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Good post GMP. Enough with the scarlet letter crap

Hale and his family were seemingly able to get over the massive Cal conspiracy/cover up/shady smoke-filled room dealings or whatever you think is going on here. So did the ADA, who did not think this situation necessitated more than university sanctions. Time to let this story die.

Everyone agreed to blame Buh.

CALiforniALUM;842295006 said:

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So there was this bearant supposedly lurking on this site about the time the Hale incident occurred, who said that Hale was going to transfer along with his/her son who was also a player. The bearant also gave a name of the perp who "punished" Hale in the locker room as well as the coach who called in "the hit". Is this bearant not around anymore and are the alleged conspirators never to be named publicly? Did anybody else come into such information and what do you think without naming names?

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I hope that slanderous a-hole who was posting stuff here and sending PM's to everyone got booted off this board and gets the business end of a lawsuit he richly deserves.

We don't need to hear from that "bearant." Ever.

If someone knows the identity of the alleged assailant, please send me a private message. Thankyou.

GO BEARS!

Schroeder71;842295252 said:

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If someone knows the identity of the alleged assailant, please send me a private message. Thankyou.

GO BEARS!

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Why? Have you been watching Chuck Bronson movies?

socaliganbear;842295231 said:

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Hale and his family were seemingly able to get over the massive Cal conspiracy/cover up/shady smoke-filled room dealings or whatever you think is going on here. So did the ADA, who did not think this situation necessitated more than university sanctions. Time to let this story die.

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AND ... the prosecutor agreed.
DONE

CALiforniALUM;842295175 said:

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Why would you think the "perp" is a walk-on?

I too find it odd that the victim can be named directly and that the coach in question can be determined by simply identifying him by his title. All this silence suggests there is something fishy going on.

Something else that was never resolved was the allegation that the "perp" was in fact dressed on the sidelines even though Dykes & Co. said the exact opposite after the fact. If the alleged perp is correct, his presence on the sideline was substantiated by a screen shot of the game that occurred between the incident and when Sonny made his statement. I find some of the allegations related to when and how the AD responded to this issue disturbing and the alleged lie about whether the perp was in fact dressed brings up more questions as to how the AD is handling this issue.

Based on what I know to be the situation, the perp in question is actually a very good kid who just made a mistake in the heat of the moment.

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I think the "perp" was a walk-on because it was reported that the incident occurred at a practice (workout, conditioning, whatever...) that was special for walk-ons only.

What about the "second perp? The one spotted later on the grassy knoll outside the student athlete performance center. Why no mention of her?

GB54;842295281 said:

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What about the "second perp? The one spotted later on the grassy knoll outside the student athlete performance center. Why no mention of her?

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the real issue is that the punch curved and the trajectory of the punch ended up on Hale when he was not the intended target...

beeasyed;842295299 said:

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the real issue is that the punch curved and the trajectory of the punch ended up on Hale when he was not the intended target...

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The mob.

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grandmastapoop;842295184 said:

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You can't really believe that load of bull you just tried to feed, can you? Some people apparently know the name of the player. Some do not. We have been told that he has been punished by the school and is serving some sort of punishment. If he fulfills his obligations, the D.A. has decided not to prosecute.

If you know the kid's name, you don't need to have it openly discussed in order to rehabilitate himself in your eyes. Frankly, your opinion doesn't matter one bit. But even if it did, openly discussing changes nothing - you know who it is, and he's been punished.

If you don't know the kid's name, you don't need to have it openly discussed in order to rehabilitate himself in your eyes because you don't know who the player is to begin with. You can accept the fact that the University and law enforcement all appear to be pleased with the punishment assessed, and move on.

I think the real reason you want the name openly discussed, because your stated reason makes no sense, is so that the player can be vilified by the fan base. He must be properly shamed in the public. Either that, or a simple rubbernecking desire.

At this point, I think it's just best to leave it be. I still do not see what you gain from discussing the player's name on a public forum. You are free to do what you want, and this is only my opinion. Of course, if you choose to openly discuss it in defiance of the rules of this board, they are free to take appropriate action against you.

Another reason you might not want to discuss the player openly is because, from my understanding of how you know, it doesn't seem airtight. You may openly discuss the wrong player. That would not be good, and could open you up to some legal ramifications.

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I think you have my intentions all wrong here. There is more to this story and me being a consumer of Cal football stories would like to know more.

I agree with some other comments which pointed out the oddness of the way this is being handled. The cozinesss of the ADs statements with law enforcement makes me uncomfortable. I am uncomfortable with knowing the victims name but not the assailant. I am likewise uncomfortable with the possibility that the palyer suited up when we were told he did not.

Now me being uncomfortable doen't really matter in the grand scheme of things. BUT I investigate criminal allegations for a living and every way this has been handled by the People and the University makes the investigator in me want to turn over more info. I would also really like there to be transparency into the punishment of whomever the assailant is. At this point the DA is saying that they will trust in the AD to carry it out. SERIOUSLY when does this ever happen? If this were Tallahassee it would be all over the news. we stink at the moment so its getting slipped under the rug unnoticed to all those except us Cal nuts.

By discussing this openly we bring transparency to the situation and exoneration to any player wrongfully believed involved. We allow the assailant to be rehabilitated and the player, staff and university to be applauded for handling it appropriately. Without naming names we are entrusting this to be handled by the same people who have been trying to keep it under wraps. That is never the way to set things right.

Tedhead94;842295311 said:

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I think you have my intentions all wrong here. There is more to this story and me being a consumer of Cal football stories would like to know more.

I agree with some other comments which pointed out the oddness of the way this is being handled. The cozinesss of the ADs statements with law enforcement makes me uncomfortable. I am uncomfortable with knowing the victims name but not the assailant. I am likewise uncomfortable with the possibility that the palyer suited up when we were told he did not.

Now me being uncomfortable doen't really matter in the grand scheme of things. BUT I investigate criminal allegations for a living and every way this has been handled by the People and the University makes the investigator in me want to turn over more info. I would also really like there to be transparency into the punishment of whomever the assailant is. At this point the DA is saying that they will trust in the AD to carry it out. SERIOUSLY when does this ever happen? If this were Tallahassee it would be all over the news. we stink at the moment so its getting slipped under the rug unnoticed to all those except us Cal nuts.

By discussing this openly we bring transparency to the situation and exoneration to any player wrongfully believed involved. We allow the assailant to be rehabilitated and the player, staff and university to be applauded for handling it appropriately. Without naming names we are entrusting this to be handled by the same people who have been trying to keep it under wraps. That is never the way to set things right.

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perhaps they dont want transparency. it is entirely possible that both of these guys are friends, hale and the person that punched him. i think if whatever they came up with was unfair, then id think that hale's parents would be up in arms, trying to burn Sandy and Sonny down at every chance. They havent. why? you have to understand that when youre on a football team, a lot of these guys are like brothers, theyll hate each other sometimes and heck even want to kill each other at times but probably wouldnt mind giving the law or any other nosy fans like ourselves the finger if it meant defending each other. frankly if both hale and assailant have squashed it and hale and his family dont want charges to be brought or making this any more public than it already is, then honestly more respect to hale for being the bigger guy and looking out for a teammate, even if the teammate was wrong.

No way, Hewitt and a couple posters here were on to the big fix. What do the Hale family and ADA know...

"That was one magic lugie."

Tedhead94;842295311 said:

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I think you have my intentions all wrong here. There is more to this story and me being a consumer of Cal football stories would like to know more.

I agree with some other comments which pointed out the oddness of the way this is being handled. The cozinesss of the ADs statements with law enforcement makes me uncomfortable. I am uncomfortable with knowing the victims name but not the assailant. I am likewise uncomfortable with the possibility that the palyer suited up when we were told he did not.

Now me being uncomfortable doen't really matter in the grand scheme of things. BUT I investigate criminal allegations for a living and every way this has been handled by the People and the University makes the investigator in me want to turn over more info. I would also really like there to be transparency into the punishment of whomever the assailant is. At this point the DA is saying that they will trust in the AD to carry it out. SERIOUSLY when does this ever happen? If this were Tallahassee it would be all over the news. we stink at the moment so its getting slipped under the rug unnoticed to all those except us Cal nuts.

By discussing this openly we bring transparency to the situation and exoneration to any player wrongfully believed involved. We allow the assailant to be rehabilitated and the player, staff and university to be applauded for handling it appropriately. Without naming names we are entrusting this to be handled by the same people who have been trying to keep it under wraps. That is never the way to set things right.

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Only thing I got from your post is that you're a voyeur, "credentials" notwithstanding and suspect.

WE don't need "transparency".

I blame Cuba.

I don't understand how this is not an alien conspiracy.

this was seen in the locker room following the incident...

MoragaBear;842295318 said:

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Hale and his family put this situation behind them very quickly when the player was suspended and ordered to do community service and go through additional counseling. Hale rejoined the team fairly quickly and did not care to reveal the other player involved.

If he and his family nor the program choose to reveal the other player involved, people need to give it a rest. Transparancy is code for satisfying curious people's need to know.

There are people with an axe to grind out there but it's not Hale and his family.

Did the team handle everything properly? I don't think so. But the relentless need to know and publicize the details won't be assisted by our site.

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Fair enough. I can respect that.

SonOfCalVa;842295342 said:

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Only thing I got from your post is that you're a voyeur, "credentials" notwithstanding and suspect.

WE don't need "transparency".

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Well thought out post as usual.

MoragaBear;842295318 said:

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Hale and his family put this situation behind them very quickly when the player was suspended and ordered to do community service and go through additional counseling. Hale rejoined the team fairly quickly and did not care to reveal the other player involved.

If he and his family nor the program choose to reveal the other player involved, people need to give it a rest. Transparancy is code for satisfying curious people's need to know.

There are people with an axe to grind out there but it's not Hale and his family.

Did the team handle everything properly? I don't think so. But the relentless need to know and publicize the details won't be assisted by our site.

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Gee. I wonder who you're referring too

MiZery;842295539 said:

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Gee. I wonder who you're referring too

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You and SVA can go elephant walk around the Dykes playhouse for all I care.