couple months ago i had a discussion with a couple of my clan members about the last play by LB smith... the INT by way of shermans tip ..

was it a bad read / throw by kap ? or good ass plays by the defenders ?
do you think more film time study by kap would have shown the tendency to make those plays with the over under coverage by the hawks ?

was it enough time for another play ? throw it away live to throw on the next down ?

not a niners or hawks follower i could care less either way just wondered what other people saw on that play .

any thoughts ?

The throw was not a reckless one from Kaepernick, the defender on the play having very little chance of intercepting it. That is why Sherman's tip was so brilliant, that was the only way to create the turnover on the play. It wasn't an improvised play, Sherman had studied the pattern and knew exactly where his teammate was.

Questionable play call at that time in the game -- don't necessarily need to challenge Sherman yet. Not a reckless throw by Kap, since that's where the play was designed to go. GREAT play by Sherman; very few corners can generate an interception like that (and he planned it, most definitely).

Agree with what 's been said. Would only add that the Niners clock management was **** poor

going4roses;842295823 said:

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couple months ago i had a discussion with a couple of my clan members about the last play by LB smith... the INT by way of shermans tip ..

was it a bad read / throw by kap ? or good ass plays by the defenders ?
do you think more film time study by kap would have shown the tendency to make those plays with the over under coverage by the hawks ?

was it enough time for another play ? throw it away live to throw on the next down ?

not a niners or hawks follower i could care less either way just wondered what other people saw on that play .

any thoughts ?

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Clan members?

Phantomfan;842295849 said:

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he checked into the fade in the end zone. (remember the Super Bowl the year before on 4th down? same play, same result).

he went after the best corner in the league against his best receiver.

a smarter QB would not have thrown it. he wasn't down to his last option. part of it was likely his ego.

sherman knew it was coming and put himself in the position to intercept the ball.

crabtree actually pulled sherman from behind. the only thing he could do was tip it. he was lucky that his teammate hustled to the ball.

I have not seen it personally on the replay. I am not sure the camera angles on TV caught it, but I was told that Vernon David was wide open in the middle of the field for an easy TD. I don't think Kap sees the field well at all and it seems to me when he audibles, the play usually doesn't go that well.

I think he might be really good in a couple of years. I hope the rest of the team still will be.

Another thing they showed on NFL network was on the play where he scrambled and the guy slapped the ball out from behind and caused a turnover...
...he actually scrambled too early. He had a fine pocket and if he only stayed and stepped up, he would have had his pick of several wide open guys, including sherman's man

oldblue83;842295863 said:

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I have not seen it personally on the replay. I am not sure the camera angles on TV caught it, but I was told that Vernon David was wide open in the middle of the field for an easy TD. I don't think Kap sees the field well at all and it seems to me when he audibles, the play usually doesn't go that well.

I think he might be really good in a couple of years. I hope the rest of the team still will be.

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here yall go

Davidson;842295862 said:

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he checked into the fade in the end zone.

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Where are you getting that from? All I've heard from Kap and the Niners coaches is that the play was meant to go to the Crabtree fade on first read.

I can see the argument that maybe Kap should not have thrown the pass, but again, if a fade is called and you get the WR one-on-one then that is pretty much what you are looking for. I'd simply question the idea of calling a fade to Sherman's side at that time in the game.

Very true.....part of that was Crabtree himself. If he goes out of bounds a couple plays before and saved a timeout, I'm almost sure they would have called a timeout before that last play and set up something different. Probably should have called timeout anyway (in hindsight) but they almost definitely would have if they still had 3 timeouts left---which they would have if Crabtree would have just stepped out earlier. He had a simple choice,
gain 2 more yards and step out of bounds or gain 2 more yards and run right into the arms of two Seahawk defenders waiting for him.....no way in the world Crabtree, with his footspeed, was going to get by those guys. He made the wrong choice.

Wasn't that the play after the Niners were called for too much time, going from 3rd and one to 3rd and six? Replays also showed that they should have had 6-8 seconds left on the clock and that the call was in error. I wondered at the time why Fox didn't have their timer box on the screen yet, which usually appears with about 5-6 seconds left on the play clock. But nobody at Fox or anywhere else at the time realized what had happened. Hard to imagine the incompetence of the NFL (on so many levels) in a big game of this nature.

Understand your frustration, but I believe you and many others are too hard on Kap. He should continue to improve and become more consistent. He already makes some great plays no one else can. If you think I'm too easy on him, just look at how other superstars fared vs. Seattle. Drew Brees never could find much of a rhythm all day against the Seahawks. And need we mention Peyton Manning, who after breaking all kinds of records during the season, was being promoted to all-time sainthood---some insisted he would be the game's undisputed best ever QB after winning the championship. All he did was look like CRAP all day and we didn't need NFL network to show us that.....funny, he set records in that Super Bowl game too, which show you how meaningless statistics can be sometimes. Let's not forget the Seahawks have a great defense. All in all, considering that any of 10-12 plays could have tilted the NFC championship game the Niners way, and considering they were playing on the road, they did a pretty good job. It was a tough game to lose and Kap's mobility and running ability helped make it close. I hear things like your comment, "A smarter QB....blah, blah, blah..." Well, you're not going to find a much smarter QB than Manning and he made poor choices and floated up ducks all afternoon.

GB54;842295843 said:

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Agree with what 's been said. Would only add that the Niners clock management was **** poor

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Wrong. The clock management was great. The Niners still had 2 timeouts and plenty of time to score, but if they had scored, there would be very little time for Seattle to pick up 25 yards and attempt a long field goal.

grandmastapoop;842295889 said:

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Wrong. The clock management was great. The Niners still had 2 timeouts and plenty of time to score, but if they had scored, there would be very little time for Seattle to pick up 25 yards and attempt a long field goal.

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Wasn't there like 31 sec. left?? they were moving the ball nicely. I think the fade was supposed to surprise them. I thought they should have not gone for the home run and done a couple of more safe plays to get closer. Lot's of time left for being in that part of the field

going4roses;842295823 said:

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couple months ago i had a discussion with a couple of my clan members about the last play by LB smith... the INT by way of shermans tip ..

was it a bad read / throw by kap ? or good ass plays by the defenders ?
do you think more film time study by kap would have shown the tendency to make those plays with the over under coverage by the hawks ?

was it enough time for another play ? throw it away live to throw on the next down ?

not a niners or hawks follower i could care less either way just wondered what other people saw on that play .

any thoughts ?

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The throw should have been to Crabtree's outside shoulder instead of the inside (where Sherman had him covered). If you watch the replay, Kap doesn't follow through on the pass very well due to the pressure caused by the d-end who forced Davis back into Kap.

oldblue83;842295863 said:

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I have not seen it personally on the replay. I am not sure the camera angles on TV caught it, but I was told that Vernon David was wide open in the middle of the field for an easy TD. I don't think Kap sees the field well at all and it seems to me when he audibles, the play usually doesn't go that well.

I think he might be really good in a couple of years. I hope the rest of the team still will be.

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in kaps defense on this play, this was a presnap read, so its really on the playcall. the play was designed so that if there is one on one on the outside against sherman, that he was supposed to throw it to crabtree. Davis was a secondary option and because kap had the matchup that they wanted according to the design of the play, he never had the opportunity to check to davis. it was a poor call.

I still think they rushed that last play and wouldn't have if they still had 3 timeouts.
They probably still should have called timeout, but didn't like the idea of having only one left, I guess.

From the replay it looks like Vernon Davis was not anywhere close to being "wide open in the middle for an easy TD." Not sure why this myth seems to continue......

CalBarn;842296055 said:

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From the replay it looks like Vernon Davis was not anywhere close to being "wide open in the middle for an easy TD." Not sure why this myth seems to continue......

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It's not viewable in that link, but I believe it was actually David Patton. However, while he was kinda open, I think the video is deceiving:



There is a safety over the top right by Patton (he's on the left seam). By the time the safety is visible, Patton looks WIDE open, but the safety was already moving toward the ball, which by the time you see him has already been in the air for a second or two.

It is unclear if Patton was open when Kaepernick threw the ball, but THAT is who everyone claims was wide open (before this thread, I'd never heard anyone claim Vernon was).

grandmastapoop;842296070 said:

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It's not viewable in that link, but I believe it was actually David Patton. However, while he was kinda open, I think the video is deceiving:



There is a safety over the top right by Patton (he's on the left seam). By the time the safety is visible, Patton looks WIDE open, but the safety was already moving toward the ball, which by the time you see him has already been in the air for a second or two.

It is unclear if Patton was open when Kaepernick threw the ball, but THAT is who everyone claims was wide open (before this thread, I'd never heard anyone claim Vernon was).

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I think Patton is actually in the left flat, and he is WIDE open, but the Seahawks defense closes fast and probably would have limited him to a 5 yard gain or so. There is another guy running a post in the end zone (not sure who it is, might be Boldin). He looks open at the time the pass is thrown, but as you say there is a safety over the top and the ball takes time to travel 20 yards -- by the time the pass would have gotten there the WR might well have gotten blown up.

gobears725;842296050 said:

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in kaps defense on this play, this was a presnap read, so its really on the playcall. the play was designed so that if there is one on one on the outside against sherman, that he was supposed to throw it to crabtree. Davis was a secondary option and because kap had the matchup that they wanted according to the design of the play, he never had the opportunity to check to davis. it was a poor call.

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This. The 49ers typically go to the line with at least 2 plays called in the huddle, and then the QB reads the defense and checks to whatever play is appropriate. So while Kap does check to the fade here, it's part of the presnap plan, called in from the sideline. The play call is on the coaches.

sycasey;842296083 said:

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I think Patton is actually in the left flat, and he is WIDE open, but the Seahawks defense closes fast and probably would have limited him to a 5 yard gain or so. There is another guy running a post in the end zone (not sure who it is, might be Boldin). He looks open at the time the pass is thrown, but as you say there is a safety over the top and the ball takes time to travel 20 yards -- by the time the pass would have gotten there the WR might well have gotten blown up.

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You're right. I think that is Boldin.

Kaep needs to work on his touch. He throws like he's still trying to pitch in the MLB.
He does not throw the type of ball needed to consistently beat a team with the type of DB talent that Seattle has. His ball is too flat. Did that impact that play?
Absolutely it did. Is Kaepernick a play-off capable QB? Yes
Is he going to get better? Yes
Is he a super bowl winning QB right now or even next season? I doubt it.
Does that mean he should be criticized or replaced? Absolutely not
But SF should draft a QB in the 5th round. I'd like them to get the back-up QB from Ohio St. that beat us last year. I don't know if he is trying for the pros though. He is very good and completely under the radar and I'm not saying this because he beat us. BJ Denker looked good against us last year? Don't know who he is? Exactly

heartofthebear;842296096 said:

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Kaep needs to work on his touch. He throws like he's still trying to pitch in the MLB.
He does not throw the type of ball needed to consistently beat a team with the type of DB talent that Seattle has. His ball is too flat. Did that impact that play?
Absolutely it did. Is Kaepernick a play-off capable QB? Yes
Is he going to get better? Yes
Is he a super bowl winning QB right now or even next season? I doubt it.
Does that mean he should be criticized or replaced? Absolutely not
But SF should draft a QB in the 5th round. I'd like them to get the back-up QB from Ohio St. that beat us last year. I don't know if he is trying for the pros though. He is very good and completely under the radar and I'm not saying this because he beat us. BJ Denker looked good against us last year? Don't know who he is? Exactly

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guiton would be a good late round pickup to have him as a developmental prospect. im not sure kap is ever going to develop the touch on his passes needed to be an elite nfl qb. most of the guys that have that like manning, brady, rodgers were already proficient at that part of their game entering the nfl. kap will get better, but if the 49ers are ever going to win a superbowl, it will be because of the defense and kaps legs more than his arm.

Kaep is underpaid and underrated but all that changes the second he inks that huge contract this offseason

going4roses;842295855 said:

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gobears725;842296102 said:

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guiton would be a good late round pickup to have him as a developmental prospect. im not sure kap is ever going to develop the touch on his passes needed to be an elite nfl qb. most of the guys that have that like manning, brady, rodgers were already proficient at that part of their game entering the nfl. kap will get better, but if the 49ers are ever going to win a superbowl, it will be because of the defense and kaps legs more than his arm.

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He's also going to need an arm for the 9ers to get beyond the NFCCG. Besides his touch, Kaepernick also is not the best at scanning the field and making quick optimal reads.

sycasey;842296083 said:

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I think Patton is actually in the left flat, and he is WIDE open, but the Seahawks defense closes fast and probably would have limited him to a 5 yard gain or so. There is another guy running a post in the end zone (not sure who it is, might be Boldin). He looks open at the time the pass is thrown, but as you say there is a safety over the top and the ball takes time to travel 20 yards -- by the time the pass would have gotten there the WR might well have gotten blown up.

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Patton was open. He didn't even run downfield and it looked like the Seahawks rotated to a cover 3. Bold in was covered and Davis was doubled. The guy that was really open was Kendall Hunter who check released and had nobody on him since the LB was dropping deep. I think he had the best chance to score. Also as someone mentioned Kap should have thrown it outside/corner; he shorted the throw a bit.