Somewhat o/t: Perception of faculty

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wifeisafurd
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My perception of Cal's faculty, for better or worse, is that it was one of, if not, the smartest faculty. They don't necessarily say things the world or donors want to hear, but after looking at all the noble prize winners, and top rankings of majors, the faculty is right there. So then I read this article which I printed below.

Now I think the rankings may be skewed to some degree by including student and alumni input, which at a place like Cal where its sink or swim, and at least for undergrads, certain faculty can be aloof, hurts Cal's ratings (it also hurts donation levels). But look at the last 3 schools. Really? Can it really be true Wooster, William & Mary and Smith have smarter faculty than Harvard, Cal, Princeton, Columbia, Michigan, Duke, or some of the other big name schools? I get with Cal that faculty accomplishments don't always mean good teachers (something I think Dirks is actually trying to address), but I would think Furd would have similar issues (e.g., my wife never had a math professor or TA at Furd who spoke English well). And what does this have to do with being smartest? In any event, here is the article for everyone's comments:


The Country's Smartest Professors Work at These 5 Colleges

By Amanda Alix | More Articles | Save For Later
March 29, 2014 | Comments (6)

Choosing a college or university is hard work, and takes a lot of time and research for those who are serious about making the right choice. Of the myriad factors usually considered, however, the intellectual prowess of a school's faculty might not be something degree-seekers put on their priority list.

It's worth investigating, after all, since the caliber of the instructor surely has some bearing on student performance. Here are the top five institutions of higher learning, each ranked by the perceived intellect of its faculty, courtesy of the website Niche which uses a variety of sources for its ratings, including polls of students and alumni.

Stanford University, California
Currently No. 5 on U.S. News & World Report's ranking of national universities, Stanford has some extremely well-regarded programs, notably its Law School and School of Engineering, and is one of the top schools for computer science, as well. At more than $43,000 per year, the university is very pricey; those surveyed by Niche gave the school an A+ in academics, computers, and campus strictness which may indicate a level of discipline that is conducive to learning.

University of Chicago
Tied with Stanford for position No. 5 by U.S. News is the University of Chicago, where the personal attention given to students undoubtedly has contributed to its strong academic rating. Over 77% of the University's classes have fewer than 20 students, and another 17% have between 20 and 49. Tuition and fees top those of Stanford, though, at more than $46,000 per year.

College of Wooster, Ohio
Of the five schools on this list, College of Wooster is probably the least well known. This college is, not surprisingly, quite a bit smaller than either Stanford or the University of Chicago, though it rates only an A- in academics by Niche contributors. Still, students note that faculty treat them less formally, and despite the fact that the student to faculty ratio of 12 to 1 is double that of the two universities, students like the easy camaraderie and community spirit that permeates the college.

College of William and Mary, Virginia
A venerable institution founded in 1693, the College of William and Mary is a public school, which makes its price tag a bit more platable: Out-of-state students pay just under $38,000 in tuition and fees annually, while those who reside in-state face a much smaller bill, just over $15,000. Students feel affection and loyalty toward the college, professors, and each other, and most say they would choose William and Mary again, if they had the opportunity.

Smith College, Massachusetts
This private college in western Massachusetts has its own brand of cachet, perhaps due to its continuing status of being a women-only institution though its graduate programs are available to men, as well. Smith's yearly tuition is comparable to Stanford's at approximately $43,000.

The overall perception of Smith by its students is that its appeal is somewhat limited, but that it offers a stellar academic experience. Especially attractive is the school's willingness to allow undergraduates a taste of graduate work, such as independent study and research with the college's faculty.

While there are many factors involved in choosing where to pursue your college degree, knowing that you will be taking instruction from the cream of the crop is no small thing, and is definitely worthy of your consideration.
socaliganbear
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Wtf is Niche?
1979bear
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I can't see that this article has any more juice than an article that lists five entirely different schools. The auther went to Smith? And how does anyone "prove" that one school's professors are "smarter" than the faculty elsewhere? I don't know that Cal's are top five, but Cal was #1 for me and my brothers. I am far more concerned that housing prices and cost of living have eroded our faculty quality.
82gradDLSdad
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"Smartest faculty"? Did they have a Jeopardy playoff? What a worthless topic. Almost as bad as one of the tabloids picking the "Sexiest faculty", although I'd read that article.
pingpong2
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hottie professor thread?
GB54
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82gradDLSdad;842299970 said:

"Smartest faculty"? Did they have a Jeopardy playoff? What a worthless topic. Almost as bad as one of the tabloids picking the "Sexiest faculty", although I'd read that article.


To be decided by the equally "smart" faculty and alumni.

Most of these schools don't play football so they suck anyway.
72CalBear
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I wonder how those other universities pay their profs in relation to Cal?? We have been losing profs to the privates for years now. Sure, they publish, get royalties, speaking engagements, maybe grant money, but still I get the feeling they are leaving for greener pastures.
82gradDLSdad
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pingpong2;842299971 said:

hottie professor thread?



Turning office hours into office minutes?
Vandalus
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pingpong2;842299971 said:

hottie professor thread?


I fully support this idea.

-edit - 82grad FTW!
chalcidbear
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This article doesn't specify exactly how faculty members are measured for their intelligence (except the mentioned surveys of students and alumni). But, for arguments sake, lets say there is a good way of measuring intelligence among faculty - perhaps papers published, research grants awarded, etc. But it is my contention that this has very little to do with THE basic business of colleges, which is to provide education. Just because a person is smart, that doesn't mean s/he makes a good teacher.
IMO, the better indicator of a desirable faculty is to measure how well the graduating students learn their subjects, NOT how many Nobel prizes the faculty amasses.
wifeisafurd
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chalcidbear;842299999 said:

This article doesn't specify exactly how faculty members are measured for their intelligence (except the mentioned surveys of students and alumni). But, for arguments sake, lets say there is a good way of measuring intelligence among faculty - perhaps papers published, research grants awarded, etc. But it is my contention that this has very little to do with THE basic business of colleges, which is to provide education. Just because a person is smart, that doesn't mean s/he makes a good teacher.
IMO, the better indicator of a desirable faculty is to measure how well the graduating students learn their subjects, NOT how many Nobel prizes the faculty amasses.


I do think research matter. It makes the world a better place, and is one part of a University's core mission. Just the developments the Cal nuero dept. is making on Alzheimer's disease is amazing and likely to change the world for many of us as we get old. I think a school and its faculty develop an outstanding reputation when they are good at teaching, research, outreach (yes, this includes fundraising) and all those other things that come with being members of a University, including sports by the way. Stanford certainly says they want to be best at everything, and I don't see why Cal has to make choices to prefer one aspect of college over another. That said, I don't know how you make determinations on such an amorphous subject as faculty IQ, or whether that really means anything. For example, the smartest guy in the room is often not the boss, leader, etc. Malcom Gladwell has an interesting commentary on Noble Prize winners in the academic subjects. They are from very diverse schools, many of them colleges you would never send your kids to, and the winners were not always the smartest guy in the room or had the most stellar academic backgrounds.
chalcidbear
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I wouldn't argue that research doesn't matter at all, just that education is (or should be) the prime directive at a college, and there are some really smart faculty members who simply can't teach their way out of a paper bag. If the students are lucky, they might have a TA who can act as intermediaries. But otherwise, it can get pretty dam tough. I wish there was a good way to rate prospective faculty members in regard to their communication skills, but alas, I know of no such measure.
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wifeisafurd;842299933 said:

My perception of Cal's faculty, for better or worse, is that it was one of, if not, the smartest faculty. They don't necessarily say things the world or donors want to hear, but after looking at all the noble prize winners, and top rankings of majors, the faculty is right there. So then I read this article which I printed below.

Now I think the rankings may be skewed to some degree by including student and alumni input, which at a place like Cal where its sink or swim, and at least for undergrads, certain faculty can be aloof, hurts Cal's ratings (it also hurts donation levels). But look at the last 3 schools. Really? Can it really be true Wooster, William & Mary and Smith have smarter faculty than Harvard, Cal, Princeton, Columbia, Michigan, Duke, or some of the other big name schools? I get with Cal that faculty accomplishments don't always mean good teachers (something I think Dirks is actually trying to address), but I would think Furd would have similar issues (e.g., my wife never had a math professor or TA at Furd who spoke English well). And what does this have to do with being smartest? In any event, here is the article for everyone's comments:


The Country's Smartest Professors Work at These 5 Colleges

By Amanda Alix | More Articles | Save For Later
March 29, 2014 | Comments (6)

Choosing a college or university is hard work, and takes a lot of time and research for those who are serious about making the right choice. Of the myriad factors usually considered, however, the intellectual prowess of a school's faculty might not be something degree-seekers put on their priority list.

It's worth investigating, after all, since the caliber of the instructor surely has some bearing on student performance. Here are the top five institutions of higher learning, each ranked by the perceived intellect of its faculty, courtesy of the website Niche which uses a variety of sources for its ratings, including polls of students and alumni.

Stanford University, California
Currently No. 5 on U.S. News & World Report's ranking of national universities, Stanford has some extremely well-regarded programs, notably its Law School and School of Engineering, and is one of the top schools for computer science, as well. At more than $43,000 per year, the university is very pricey; those surveyed by Niche gave the school an A+ in academics, computers, and campus strictness which may indicate a level of discipline that is conducive to learning.

University of Chicago
Tied with Stanford for position No. 5 by U.S. News is the University of Chicago, where the personal attention given to students undoubtedly has contributed to its strong academic rating. Over 77% of the University's classes have fewer than 20 students, and another 17% have between 20 and 49. Tuition and fees top those of Stanford, though, at more than $46,000 per year.

College of Wooster, Ohio
Of the five schools on this list, College of Wooster is probably the least well known. This college is, not surprisingly, quite a bit smaller than either Stanford or the University of Chicago, though it rates only an A- in academics by Niche contributors. Still, students note that faculty treat them less formally, and despite the fact that the student to faculty ratio of 12 to 1 is double that of the two universities, students like the easy camaraderie and community spirit that permeates the college.

College of William and Mary, Virginia
A venerable institution founded in 1693, the College of William and Mary is a public school, which makes its price tag a bit more platable: Out-of-state students pay just under $38,000 in tuition and fees annually, while those who reside in-state face a much smaller bill, just over $15,000. Students feel affection and loyalty toward the college, professors, and each other, and most say they would choose William and Mary again, if they had the opportunity.

Smith College, Massachusetts
This private college in western Massachusetts has its own brand of cachet, perhaps due to its continuing status of being a women-only institution though its graduate programs are available to men, as well. Smith's yearly tuition is comparable to Stanford's at approximately $43,000.

The overall perception of Smith by its students is that its appeal is somewhat limited, but that it offers a stellar academic experience. Especially attractive is the school's willingness to allow undergraduates a taste of graduate work, such as independent study and research with the college's faculty.

While there are many factors involved in choosing where to pursue your college degree, knowing that you will be taking instruction from the cream of the crop is no small thing, and is definitely worthy of your consideration.


I would think that internationally recognized awards and corporate and government grants would be impartial evidence of "smart" (since the test is not for the best teachers). By such a standard Cal would be toward the top of the list.
Big C
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I saw a ranking recently of the 10 hardest-grading colleges. I thought for sure we'd be on it, but we weren't, so I'm getting a good feel for how these rankings go. My tip-off should have been the source: It was on the Comcast homepage, you know, where you have to click to a new page to see the next college (and see a new ad).

BTW, my sister-in-law went to that College of Wooster. She's still paying off her loans, at age 40. Not too smart. (I know, I know, they were talking about the faculty, but still... )
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vandalus;842299986 said:

i fully support this idea.

-edit - 82grad ftw!


+1,000,000,000
ncbears
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Right now, I am blanking on her name. But, I had a real hottie as a professor for classes on colonialism - one was in Legal Studies, and one was in History. I think she was attached to Legal Studies. This was 1980-1981 and she was a younger professor (then). One spring day, she wore a wrap around skirt over a leotard and very sexy glasses - and I took very few notes that day.
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