Ok, 3rd and 6 on our last drive. We put in Rubenzer...

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MaximusArelliusDaBearius
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who always runs, no passes at all today, and loses yardage. They, Arizona, seem to somehow of known he was going to run as everyone piled in on him. I wonder why they knew he would run? Could it be he ran every time and not once passed, yet he was in there for a passing down.

Maybe, Goff, Our starter, should always be in on 3rd and 6 since he is the better passer? Overall fantastic offensive game. Not so much for the D, wow.
SmellinRoses
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Why were we snapping the ball with 13 seconds left on the play clock at the end of the game??

This is what these people do for a living - why is it so complicated??
OskiMD
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SmellinRoses;842363510 said:

Why were we snapping the ball with 13 seconds left on the play clock at the end of the game??



It's Tedford-esque. Even Madden AI knows you run down the clock in this situation. This is why we need Tosh and his mad Xbox skills... sigh.
dimitrig
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Tedford doesn't lose this game. Just saying.
SRBear
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You're right...it would have been over in the first qtr. and we would have been buried.
berk18
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I've had a love-hate relationship with this since the Northwestern game. Rubenzer's gotten some HUGE first downs for us, but he's also given us two bad turnovers. Giving him this experience will absolutely pay off down the line, but it does feel like the coaches are outsmarting themselves with some of their substitutions, especially when they ask him to come in cold like that.
SonOfCalVa
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dimitrig;842363557 said:

My Albany Bowl fantasy smooch pal doesn't lose this game. Just saying.


fify
dajo9
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Every DC in the conference will be thrilled to see our coaches take Goff out of the game
rjgoode
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SmellinRoses;842363510 said:

Why were we snapping the ball with 13 seconds left on the play clock at the end of the game??

This is what these people do for a living - why is it so complicated??


THIS! Went to bed mad as hell about his. Woke up this morning mad as hell about this. This loss is 100% on the coaches. Awful, awful, awful.
SRBear
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Think you guys need to watch again...most of the time we were prarie dogging at about 15 sec and def snapping under 10. At least on the last drive.
run2win
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SRBear;842363643 said:

Think you guys need to watch again...most of the time we were prarie dogging at about 15 sec and def snapping under 10. At least on the last drive.


Sure on the last drive we were. What about when we were up 20+ points. We should have been doing that all second half. No excuses. We put our defense on the field longer than they needed to be.
SonomaBear
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^ THIS ^

Goff looked like Joe Montana in the first half. Why are the coaches over thinking this?
SigOtherIsATrojan
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Cal wasn't going to throw there w Arizona out of timeouts. They could have run with one of their backs instead.
HoopDreams
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SigOtherIsATrojan;842363662 said:

Cal wasn't going to throw there w Arizona out of timeouts. They could have run with one of their backs instead.


and why not?
we needed a first down, and when the game is on the line, you stay with your go-to guys
pretty simple

this gimmick worked vs NW, but the gig is up, at least when it's in clutch time
bigcocoon007
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Yes and why take Goff out when he is on a roll in the 1st Q? Rubenzer fumbles his first snap..This loss is on the coaches. What was Powe doing batting the onside kick out of bounds and not catching it?
bigcocoon007
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bigcocoon007;842363819 said:

Yes and why take Goff out when he is on a roll in the 1st Q? Rubenzer fumbles his first snap..This loss is on the coaches. What was Powe doing batting the onside kick out of bounds and not catching it?


Also, we have to bring to bring pressure on the Hail Mary!!!!
cal2000
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SmellinRoses;842363510 said:

Why were we snapping the ball with 13 seconds left on the play clock at the end of the game??

This is what these people do for a living - why is it so complicated??

No plan. Not being strategic. No common sense.
bearsandgiants
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bigcocoon007;842363819 said:

Yes and why take Goff out when he is on a roll in the 1st Q? Rubenzer fumbles his first snap..This loss is on the coaches. What was Powe doing batting the onside kick out of bounds and not catching it?


Why can't you do that? Dumb rule. He didn't throw it forward and he had control, just hadn't landed yet.
bearingup
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I thought taking time out #2 with 2 + minutes left, again with 20 seconds left on the playclock and time running, was also inexcusable.

Also thought it was Harris #3, not Powe, who did the batting. Either of them, they're both WRs, it was floating and no kick off coverage close to them yet- why not just catch it?

It's the little things that cost us that game, and a lot of them seemed to be organization and communication.
btsktr
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bearingup;842363909 said:

I thought taking time out #2 with 2 + minutes left, again with 20 seconds left on the playclock and time running, was also inexcusable.

Also thought it was Harris #3, not Powe, who did the batting. Either of them, they're both WRs, it was floating and no kick off coverage close to them yet- why not just catch it?

It's the little things that cost us that game, and a lot of them seemed to be organization and communication.


That timeout was taken by Arizona
CarmelBear
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This isn't NU. And it was a telegraphed play if you watch NU tape. And you don't take the ball out of your best players hands on 3rd and 6 with game on the line. Awful decision. The kind of decision which lead many of us to believe this coaching staff is not pac 12 material.
pappysghost
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If you get the first down, the game is over. The percentages I think were in trying to get the first down.
pappysghost
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When you're rolling you don't need to switch quarterbacks. PUtting Ruby in there deep in our own end was kind of stupid. We dodged a bullet after his fumble, but that was really bad timing to bring him in.

It looked to me like he did catch it and then did a two hand chest pass out of bounds.
pappysghost
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We rushed 3 and dropped 8. That's a head scratcher. Send at least 1 speed rusher off the edge. If you happen to get the QB, the game is over. Letting there guys run down there and post up and the QB have free reign to line it up and launch doesn't make any sense.
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bearsandgiants;842363903 said:

Why can't you do that? Dumb rule. He didn't throw it forward and he had control, just hadn't landed yet.


Cal fans have got to stop being poor sports about this. It is a well known and obvious rule. If that wasn't the rule teams in the 2 minute drill would be flinging the ball out if bounds on every play and the game would be unwatchable.
pappysghost
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I think the coaches would say they wanted to keep doing what was working in the first half. In other words, don't fix what's not broke and run the offense. I really don't think they get it. They were doing the same thing against Northwestern. I expect we'll see this a few more times this year.
GB54
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pappysghost;842363920 said:

We rushed 3 and dropped 8. That's a head scratcher. Send at least 1 speed rusher off the edge. If you happen to get the QB, the game is over. Letting there guys run down there and post up and the QB have free reign to line it up and launch doesn't make any sense.


Yeah at least force him the other way so he has to throw across his body instead of a clear path to the side where they set up the play
AirOski
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dimitrig;842363557 said:

Tedford doesn't lose this game. Just saying.


What about Oregon State 2007? Tedford had his share of disasters.
SFCityBear
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We started to play not to lose, rather than play to win. Why turn the game over to your weakest unit, the defense, and see if they can hold Arizona off? Why go for the field goal, when even if we make it, Cal still would have lost? Why not continue passing the ball, when that is what we do best? And if you want to run the ball on 3rd down, why put in the freshman QB to run it, when everyone in the stadium knows that is what he is going to do? If you insist on running it, why not have Lasco or Muhammad run it?

It was Dykes himself who lost this game, with several brain cramps. And as Neuheisel said, these hurry up spread offenses have one big weakness, and that is that they don't allow you to run clock and slow down the game. Would it be thinking too far outside the box to start practicing a formation you can run from, even when the defense knows you are going to run? A pro set with a fullback, a tailback, and one or two tight ends? A T-formation (heaven forbid!) with a fullback, two halfbacks and a tight end?

The average time of possession on a Cal drive was one minute and 42 seconds, ending in a score, a punt or a turnover. Our longest drives of the day, both about 3 minutes long, took place in the first quarter. This offense is efficient and effective, but it is killing our defense, which is not deep, by giving them little or no time to rest. They need the capability of making a 6-10 minute drive at the end of a close game to secure a win. The players made some mistakes, but we did get a lot of breaks. They played well enough to win this game. The loss is on Dykes and his staff, IMO.
HoopDreams
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I think coaches called a great offense until the last possession
AZ stacked the box so Cal burned them with intermediate and long passes, or quick drop offs if they blitzed

Goff was masterful with that

But the last possession play calling was puzzling and horrible. I don't know how many times I said 'that was a bad call'

It started off with a first down where goff held the ball out for a hand off with no RB in sight, and then ran himself

If that was some type of missed assignment then I've never seen one so bad. If that was designed to fool the defense or run clock then it was flat out a coaching staff trying to get too cute

I and others talked about the bad idea of putting Luke in at that time ready, so I won't go there again, but I wish he would just once hand off on the option
SFCityBear
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HoopDreams;842363995 said:

I and others talked about the bad idea of putting Luke in at that time ready, so I won't go there again, but I wish he would just once hand off on the option


I think Rubenzer did try a handoff earlier (was it the Sac State game?) and I think it resulted in a fumble. In many sports, it is hard to come off the bench and get in rhythm quickly, especially in a pressure situation and even more so if you are a freshman.
pappysghost
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It shouldn't be that hard to slow your pace down and snap the ball around 2 or 3 seconds left on the play clock. Not using the whole clock on our possessions in the second half was criminal - absolutely criminal.

It seems to me the offense does have some decent running formations. Our strategy is faulty when we get a big lead. Cal's rarely that far ahead on a good opponent. No wonder we don't know what to do!
oski003
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HoopDreams;842363995 said:

I think coaches called a great offense until the last possession
AZ stacked the box so Cal burned them with intermediate and long passes, or quick drop offs if they blitzed

Goff was masterful with that

But the last possession play calling was puzzling and horrible. I don't know how many times I said 'that was a bad call'

It started off with a first down where goff held the ball out for a hand off with no RB in sight, and then ran himself

If that was some type of missed assignment then I've never seen one so bad. If that was designed to fool the defense or run clock then it was flat out a coaching staff trying to get too cute

I and others talked about the bad idea of putting Luke in at that time ready, so I won't go there again, but I wish he would just once hand off on the option


I see a miscue where the runningback goes to tge wrong side of the qb every other week, and I only watch a few games. Regardless, it is still bad on Goff or Muhammed.

Luke handed the ball off to Lasco earlier in the game. It was effective. Goff should have been in anyway.

In the second half, Cal shouldve definitely done a better job hiking the ball with 5 seconds or less remaining. With a sizable lead, burning clock is more important than catching the d off guard. We should have run more intermediate and short routes to the middle in the second half. It is sad that the one time we did it the wr popped it up for an interception.
JSML
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Cringed at the Rube fumble in the first quater in our red zone.. lucky AZ shanked the field goal.
alarsuel
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Rubinzer should have been in a grand total of zero snaps yesterday. Throw the ball on third and six. Try to get a first down and end the game. If you want to run it, leave Goff in so the threat of a pass is there and run, then run again on 4th down. 2 chances to get 6 yards instead of a FG which doesn't end the game anyway. Why take the ball away from your best player, especially when he is hot and it is crunch time?

The single worst play of th game was the 2nd on side kick, to me. Why did 3 Cal guys run away from the ball? There were at least 4 AZ guys who could have recovered it, Cal had no one even close. They literally ran away from the ball. AZ ran the EXACT SAME onside kick 45 seconds earlier and Cal wasn't ready. I don't understand.
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