Maybe. He still hasn't faced a quality defense this year. These run/gun schemes put up pinball game scores but seem to flame out when up against a really good defense. There's a reason for the SEC's ascendancy and it isn't entirely ESPN's self-serving promotion of the league.

MiZery;842367659 said:

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The system also puts him in position to make these plays as well. But he is the best QB we've had since Rodgers. After next year we maybe able to say he's better than Rodgers. Or maybe after this year

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Goff will finish with huge stats. But jury is still out as to whether Goff can translate his success to the NFL. Much of his production is scheme based. Rodgers has been arguably the best QB in the NFL the past several years. I'm a Goff fan and very much appreciate what he's doing right now after the disappointing QB play for too many years. But to suggest that he will be better than Rodgers seems a little outrageous.

59bear;842368298 said:

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Maybe. He still hasn't faced a quality defense this year. These run/gun schemes put up pinball game scores but seem to flame out when up against a really good defense. There's a reason for the SEC's ascendancy and it isn't entirely ESPN's self-serving promotion of the league.

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right and NO sec teams run similar systems ... did not meyer run the spread at florida ... do you see Texas a&m ... aurburn

TruffleShuffle;842368327 said:

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Goff will finish with huge stats. But jury is still out as to whether Goff can translate his success to the NFL. Much of his production is scheme based. Rodgers has been arguably the best QB in the NFL the past several years. I'm a Goff fan and very much appreciate what he's doing right now after the disappointing QB play for too many years. But to suggest that he will be better than Rodgers seems a little outrageous.

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scheme base????? hahaha no.

goff can make every throw on the field

goff is a pure passer... he will be fine

Davidson;842368350 said:

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scheme base????? hahaha no.

goff can make every throw on the field

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You beat me to it. That statement was made by someone trying to appear as if he knows what he's talking about but clearly not.

Davidson;842368350 said:

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scheme base????? hahaha no.

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Yes, scheme based. If Tedford was still our coach, would Goff be putting up 500 yard games?

Like I said, Goff is great. Agree that he can make a variety of throws, which makes him special. I was merely trying to point out that suggesting he will (or even may) be better than Aaron Rodgers is a little overboard.

Actually it's the most of our concerns. It's clear we cannot accept a Good offense. We need a great one. We are going to need 50+ points a game. My advice to Sonny is to shoot for 60 a game. Even if we have a 4 TD lead - keep the pedal to the floor. We've shown the ability to give up 50. We had two 3 n outs, a 4 an out, and two TOs on the first play.

MilleniaBear;842368384 said:

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Actually it's the most of our concerns. It's clear we cannot accept a Good offense. We need a great one. We are going to need 50+ points a game. My advice to Sonny is to shoot for 60 a game. Even if we have a 4 TD lead - keep the pedal to the floor. We've shown the ability to give up 50. We had two 3 n outs, a 4 an out, and two TOs on the first play.

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I completely agree we need to keep the pedal to the metal. No lead is safe with this team, but the good news is that if our opponent ever gets the yips, no deficit is impossible. Seems like we're a basketball team that just needs to make a few stops in the fourth quarter. Because of how thin our line is, I think we're going to continue to see these late game collapses from our defense. If we can shore that up this off-season, sky is the limit next year with where our offense should be.

TruffleShuffle;842368371 said:

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Yes, scheme based. If Tedford was still our coach, would Goff be putting up 500 yard games?

Like I said, Goff is great. Agree that he can make a variety of throws, which makes him special. I was merely trying to point out that suggesting he will (or even may) be better than Aaron Rodgers is a little overboard.

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We are talking about NFL. Nobody in the NFL gives a shiet about how many yards you throw for in college. They look at how you throw the ball and if that will translate. Goff's ability as a true sophomore to throw the ball is rivaled by NO ONE. His ability is not scheme based.

MiZery;842367642 said:

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This offense next year with everyone returning is going to be a juggernaut on offense

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The Defense next year with most players returning will be a juggernaut on Defense.

Davidson;842368388 said:

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We are talking about NFL. Nobody in the NFL gives a shiet about how many yards you throw for in college. They look at how you throw the ball and if that will translate. Goff's ability as a true sophomore to throw the ball is rivaled by NO ONE. His ability is not scheme based.

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Agree completely with this.

59bear;842368298 said:

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Maybe. He still hasn't faced a quality defense this year. These run/gun schemes put up pinball game scores but seem to flame out when up against a really good defense. There's a reason for the SEC's ascendancy and it isn't entirely ESPN's self-serving promotion of the league.

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Several very successful teams in the SEC run high-powered spread offenses. A&M and Auburn immediately come to mind.

TruffleShuffle;842368371 said:

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Yes, scheme based. If Tedford was still our coach, would Goff be putting up 500 yard games?

Like I said, Goff is great. Agree that he can make a variety of throws, which makes him special. I was merely trying to point out that suggesting he will (or even may) be better than Aaron Rodgers is a little overboard.

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Goff put up 450 and 7 TDs yesterday in just over half the number of attempts it took Sefo Liufau to accomplish the same. This isn't last season, where he set the record for passing yards and attempts. His passing efficiency and completion percentage is way up from last year. Not all of that is scheme.

I don't recall anybody saying he's better than Aaron Rodgers. What I have seen several posters write is that he is the best Cal QB since Aaron Rodgers, which is fair.

He's just going to get better. He'll be drafted after next season. If he puts just a hair more air under a few tosses yesterday, he throws for 600 yards.

that first TD play was nice and executed with precision... grindgold nice catch ball well placed by goff

sneaky i would say cause the really thought we would run it

going4roses;842368406 said:

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that first TD play was nice and executed with precision... grindgold nice catch ball well placed by goff

sneaky i would say cause the really thought we would run it

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Nice to see Gingold get the TD.
From an unnoticed walk-on to a player last year to a Captain this year.

No player goes unnoticed under Sonny.
All must show what they can do. Every rep is important and noticed.

bearsandgiants;842368405 said:

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He's just going to get better. He'll be drafted after next season. If he puts just a hair more air under a few tosses yesterday, he throws for 600 yards.

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Goff could start a trend of going for his degree and playing his senior year.
He didn't come here just to play football. His head is on straight.

SonOfCalVa;842368415 said:

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Nice to see Gingold get the TD.
From an unnoticed walk-on to a player last year to a Captain this year.

No player goes unnoticed under Sonny.
All must show what they can do. Every rep is important and noticed.

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indeed

SonOfCalVa;842368418 said:

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Goff could start a trend of going for his degree and playing his senior year.
He didn't come here just to play football. His head is on straight.

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If you have a good-to-great chance of getting drafted in Round 1, you go. Come back for your degree after you finish your career in the NFL.

going4roses;842367617 said:

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do tell why ? ego ?

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Don't want to speak for 1979bear, but I would guess that he doesn't like Franklin or his system because he prefers the "old-school" pro-style offenses. I suspect he wasn't a believer of Chip Kelly's Oregon offenses as well...

Florida, Auburn and ATM all run (or ran) similar systems but only ATM was as pass reliant as we are. Florida in the Meyer years and Auburn (even with Newton) were much more balanced between pass and run, largely because their QBs were very good runners. Most SEC teams have a more balanced run/pass distribution and the good ones have sturdier defenses. I repeat, we have not faced a good defense yet. When that happens, I suspect our run game drops way off and our pass game will be more severely tested. We are significantly improved over last year; we also have played, arguably, 4 of the five most beatable teams on our schedule.

the game is changing .. how many RB's were taken in the first round of the draft 0!!! its about offense and defense line and skill players rbs not so much anymore ..

times have changed ...

SonOfCalVa;842368389 said:

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The Defense next year with most players returning will be a juggernaut on Defense.

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You say this why?

same coaches and most starters return..

going4roses;842368583 said:

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same coaches and most starters return..

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Fine, but the defense was absolutely atrocious last year and is merely terrible this year. If Son had said the defense would be mediocre next year I wouldn't have a problem with that. That seems like a reasonable stretch goal, but to say they will be a juggernaut is either sarcastic, a ridiculous homer statement not based on anything empirical, or disingenuous.

Everything is 20-20 in hindsight and I wonder how some would feel if we missed the FG and lost in the 3 rd OT?

But for myself I liked the play calling yesterday and in general, except for when we've used Luke in key situations

We have a star QB, the best group of WR in the Pac12 and two RBs that are showing they can get it done, and you give the ball to a freshmen who is one dimensional ?

A like that franklin allows goff to be a gun slinger as he calls some very gutsy plays

Overall I'd give him an A- on play calling

Andrew luck set the precedence for being projected number one and then coming back to school and still go number 1, he was there what like 5 years?

alarsuel;842368592 said:

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Fine, but the defense was absolutely atrocious last year and is merely terrible this year. If Son had said the defense would be mediocre next year I wouldn't have a problem with that. That seems like a reasonable stretch goal, but to say they will be a juggernaut is either sarcastic, a ridiculous homer statement not based on anything empirical, or disingenuous.

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I'm thinking homer. Glad our D is much better than last year and I expect it to be better again next year - but juggernaut is a stretch. Experience helps, a lot - but really good talent trumps that - hopefully we get more of that next year as well, and I expect that we will.

Davidson;842368594 said:

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Andrew luck set the precedence for being projected number one and then coming back to school and still go number 1, he was there what like 5 years?

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helps to not need the money

Well afaik goffs dad played baseball at cal and in the majors. My gut tells me he is quite proud and will push him towards a professional career

alarsuel;842368592 said:

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Fine, but the defense was absolutely atrocious last year and is merely terrible this year. If Son had said the defense would be mediocre next year I wouldn't have a problem with that. That seems like a reasonable stretch goal, but to say they will be a juggernaut is either sarcastic, a ridiculous homer statement not based on anything empirical, or disingenuous.

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defense has come up with two big stops to help get wins.. a goal line hold to get the win yesterday .. smh

yes they have to get better .. but you take does not fly

Whatever happens happens im just glad we are having this discussion versus our usual "play the backup!!!!!" discussion

Davidson;842368604 said:

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Whatever happens happens im just glad we are having this discussion versus our usual "play the backup!!!!!" discussion

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JT smh ..

going4roses;842368603 said:

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defense has come up with two big stops to help get wins.. a goal line hold to get the win yesterday .. smh

yes they have to get better .. but you take does not fly

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Which take of mine doesn't fly because the defense has made 2 stops to help get wins?

1. The defense was atrocious last year.

2. The defense has been terrible this year.

3. It is unreasonable to say that the defense will be a juggernaut next year.

Please explain.

okay, "juggernaut" was a bit of hyperbole but next year the D will be older, bigger, smarter, faster, experienced and have more depth everywhere. oops, more hyperbole, maybe.
We have new players who will earn playing time, adding to the depth.