Goff is the Walter Camp Offensive Player of the Week

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WhipItOutJoe
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Nice
WhipItOutJoe
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Not seeing a link in our local papers - but here is one mention - http://gazette.com/air-forces-steelhammer-nets-national-award/article/1538430
Grandours
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Goff looked off to me in warm ups and that first throw was ill advised but he sure turned it around and showed us a lot from there on. He looks so calm after the team lines up and he surveys the defense. Then he goes into the count and gets his hands set for the snap. Btw, there were several snaps through the game that he had to field high/low/side to side. Showed great hands and maintained his concentration and vision down field. He is really fun to watch. After some of the QB play for quite a few years, it is so refreshing.
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He admitted in his post game interview that his throws were going high ... He will work on it for sure

Congrats to Jared ..... GO BEARS!!!!!
WhipItOutJoe
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He looks headed to the NFL - would be nice if he stayed 3 more years.
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WhipItOutJoe;842368310 said:

He looks headed to the NFL - would be nice if he stayed 3 more years.


He has only TWO more years of eligibility after this one .... Hope he stays
Davidson
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We all thought he looked a bit off. Kind of funny how you can be off and throw for 7 TDs. We are kind of spoiled now
Cal89
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Congrats Goff! Well deserved. I too heard his post game. He seems to be very level-headed and objective about his performances.

I believe we've got him one more year. If he starts completing passes at a higher rate, I reserve the right to change my mind and wish he well on Sundays, starting next year...

EDIT / ADD: Looks like he can't leave until after next year anyways. Relief for Bears...
WhipItOutJoe
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Yeah - I meant 3 years including this year. Maybe he'll pull an Andrew Luck and decide college is fun and that the NFL can wait.
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Grandours;842368305 said:

Goff looked off to me in warm ups and that first throw was ill advised but he sure turned it around and showed us a lot from there on. He looks so calm after the team lines up and he surveys the defense. Then he goes into the count and gets his hands set for the snap. Btw, there were several snaps through the game that he had to field high/low/side to side. Showed great hands and maintained his concentration and vision down field. He is really fun to watch. After some of the QB play for quite a few years, it is so refreshing.


Agree
But I think he was off for portions of the whole game, especially in the first half. He did turn it on in the second half, especially on key 3rd down plays.
It's a credit to the kids and the program that Cal could win a game where their most important player was having an off day and the opposing QB was hot as hell. Even championship teams have to struggle to win those games.

Having said that, I fear our defense will make every team's QB-WR connections look "hot".
tim94501
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He under threw a ton of tds as well.
hanky1
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This was probably his worst game of the year and he still threw for 7 TDs.
Cal89
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We as fans are blessed to have Goff and to have him playing as well as he has...

We as fans sometimes like to note things like dropped passes, picks that were somewhat fluky. Some note, as folks just above, that there have been a fair number of not so good balls too, including some mighty special, acrobatic catches. Completing balls at a rate that is middle of the conference, and nationally (#55) speaks to this reality. To Goff's credit, he is his harshest critic, and I trust that we are likely to see continued improvement (60 to 62% from last year to now)....
Unit2Sucks
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I don't think you can just look at completion percentage because Goff throws more deep balls than just about any QB in the country. I mean, I haven't looked at all QBs, but most teams are throwing high percentage passes and Goff goes for it regularly. That said, he has room for improvement and I would be surprised if he doesn't get a little better. I would agree that early on was the worst we've seen from him this year. Pretty much every team should expect for him to go deep on first down after a big change of possession and it seems like he gets picked off regularly when he does that. Maybe that's just perception and not reality. The INT was on a 50/50 ball and the other team came down with it. Lawler will usually beat his guy there so I don't know if it was something that is really a mistake or a calculated risk that went the wrong way. Colorado's OT touchdown to Spruce was very similar but Spruce came down with it.

I won't defend his fumble. This seems like something that will be a persistent problem for him and doesn't seem to have improved year to year.

The thing you have to love about Goff is that he doesn't get rattled. Some of the plays he made yesterday after his rough start showed his resilience. The roll out and throw to Anderson is something very few QBs not in the NFL can make. His deep balls to Harper and Treggs were sick as well.
Cal89
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I think there is something to that, throwing deep balls more often, certainly compared to last season, but not so sure as compared to other QBs. After watching conference play, including those QBs against us, I sense that is not much of a difference, us throwing deep more often...

Not only looking at completion % however. It is considered pure passing, accuracy though.

Other factors make for a good QB of course. I have noted here before and even somewhat recently yards per attempt. Goff is doing spectacular there. Fewer passes than last year and some big connections is a huge factor in that fantastic figure. Oh, here's one more that also shows another angle - yards per completion. Goff is averaging almost 17 yards per completed pass! That leads the nation (I think). When he connects, Cal gets the most bang out of that connection. Our longest pass in school history yesterday was a fairly short one, yet went for 91 (?). Get these receivers and play-makers the ball, and good things happen...

In going through data, who is this Deshaun Watson at Clemson? He's completing balls at nearly 73%, y/a about 12, 10/1 TDs to INTs, 213 QBR and like Goff, has an amazing average pass completion of over 16 yards. And a freshman... Damn.
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Cal89;842368443 said:

I think there is something to that, throwing deep balls more often, certainly compared to last season, but not so sure as compared to other QBs. After watching conference play, including those QBs against us, I sense that is not much of a difference, us throwing deep more often...

Not only looking at completion % however. It is considered pure passing, accuracy though.

Other factors make for a good QB of course. I have noted here before and even somewhat recently yards per attempt. Goff is doing spectacular there. Fewer passes than last year and some big connections is a huge factor in that fantastic figure. Oh, here's one more that also shows another angle - yards per completion. Goff is averaging almost 17 yards per completed pass! That leads the nation (I think). When he connects, Cal gets the most bang out of that connection. Our longest pass in school history yesterday was a fairly short one, yet went for 91 (?). Get these receivers and play-makers the ball, and good things happen...

In going through data, who is this Deshaun Watson at Clemson? He's completing balls at nearly 73%, y/a about 12, 10/1 TDs to INTs, 213 QBR and like Goff, has an amazing average pass completion of over 16 yards. And a freshman... Damn.

If that was an off day, I can't wait for the day he is hot! TV said he cut his throwing hand.
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Of the good QBs we have had of late, AR, Longshore2006, Pat Barnes, Boller 2001, did any of these guys have the numbers that Goff is having?
OneKeg
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Goff and Rodgers are the best Cal quarterbacks of the millennium so far. There are even a few similarities (quick release, excellent footwork, good at reading coverages), though those are common traits of many good signal-callers. I actually think Goff will end up being a better college QB than AR, partly because he will likely play more games/snaps. He may not end up as good a pro as Rodgers but that's like saying a good back may not end up as good a pro as Walter Payton.
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goff is proud to be golden bear
SonOfCalVa
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OneKeg;842368548 said:

Goff and Rodgers are the best Cal quarterbacks of the millennium so far. There are even a few similarities (quick release, excellent footwork, good at reading coverages), though those are common traits of many good signal-callers. I actually think Goff will end up being a better college QB than AR, partly because he will likely play more games/snaps. He may not end up as good a pro as Rodgers but that's like saying a good back may not end up as good a pro as Walter Payton.


Rodgers had the advantage of falling down the draft board before GB got him, allowing him years of apprenticeship before he took over.
That Goff may play more games will, of course, result in higher numbers.
However, Goff is doing it on a young team and has faced adversity that Rodgers never came close to experiencing.
going4roses
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SonOfCalVa;842368553 said:

Rodgers had the advantage of falling down the draft board before GB got him, allowing him years of apprenticeship before he took over.
That Goff may play more games will, of course, result in higher numbers.
However, Goff is doing it on a young team and has faced adversity that Rodgers never came close to experiencing.


good point i e
russel wilson if the seahawks have to pay 1st round money to him NO Super bowl for them .. no money for it imo

look around the NFL when the last time a QB making 100 million or close that has won the super bowl , after of course yes


maybe eli manniing ?

would nice if he falls a lil and does not burden the team with a heavy contract ..thus no money to buy quality OL and team depth
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SonOfCalVa;842368553 said:

Rodgers had the advantage of falling down the draft board before GB got him, allowing him years of apprenticeship before he took over.
That Goff may play more games will, of course, result in higher numbers.
However, Goff is doing it on a young team and has faced adversity that Rodgers never came close to experiencing.

Totally agree on the adversity. Mostly agree on youth - 2003 was a youngish team for Rodgers, with almost all of the best players as juniors and sophomores like this year, but Rodgers never had anything like 2013. Tempo will help get Goff sheer numbers of stats (and force D to defend more) so better to compare efficiency. But then AR had truly awesome OL and RBs, but then far fewer good receivers after the '04 SC game when Lyman went down. Could go back and forth. Any way you slice it, two great Cal QBs. Honor to watch Goff play.
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tim94501;842368346 said:

He under threw a ton of tds as well.

Yes, several passes to several different receivers were underthrown, forcing WRs to slow down, and giving DBs time to recover and bat them down. If he hits those in stride, good bye. He'll see that on film today. But yeah we're being picky :p. Right now he's averaging 2 great quarters per game; if he could get that up closer to 3, our pass D would be irrelevant.
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OneKeg;842368573 said:

Totally agree on the adversity. Mostly agree on youth - 2003 was a youngish team for Rodgers, with almost all of the best players as juniors and sophomores like this year, but Rodgers never had anything like 2013. Tempo will help get Goff sheer numbers of stats (and force D to defend more) so better to compare efficiency. But then AR had truly awesome OL and RBs, but then far fewer good receivers after the '04 SC game when Lyman went down. Could go back and forth. Any way you slice it, two great Cal QBs. Honor to watch Goff play.


Yep, quality and Goff has joined the list of great Cal QBs already.
Seems a bit useless trying to compare Goff and Rodgers since so much is different between the teams, Cal and opponents, and the way in which the college game has changed.
Nice to enjoy the memories of Rodgers and those who preceded him and enjoy the wizardry that Goff has attained under Franklin.
Goff, even on an admittedly "off" day is running the system in the manner in which is was promoted, and getting better every game.
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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;842368581 said:

Yes, several passes to several different receivers were underthrown, forcing WRs to slow down, and giving DBs time to recover and bat them down. If he hits those in stride, good bye. He'll see that on film today. But yeah we're being picky :p. Right now he's averaging 2 great quarters per game; if he could get that up closer to 3, our pass D would be irrelevant.


Goff won't use the excuse of a cut throwing finger but it had to affect his passing a bit, just enough to miss a few.
An "off" day for Goff ... gawd.
Two great quarters per game, working on three, and the fourth will be our new running game with BeastMode redux.
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For an 'off game' he made many throws that were just art

I am so freaking impressed with goff !

P.s. Pawlaski said the AZ game was his best game in his college career
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HoopDreams;842368606 said:

For an 'off game' he made many throws that were just art

I am so freaking impressed with goff !

P.s. Pawlaski said the AZ game was his best game in his college career


yeah ... a third of the way into his sophomore season, with at least next year to go.
He's got the TF system down and is still learning and improving.
Difficult to image what Goff's best game will be but he's already said that last week and this week were the craziest.
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Cal89;842368443 said:

I think there is something to that, throwing deep balls more often, certainly compared to last season, but not so sure as compared to other QBs. After watching conference play, including those QBs against us, I sense that is not much of a difference, us throwing deep more often...

Not only looking at completion % however. It is considered pure passing, accuracy though.

Other factors make for a good QB of course. I have noted here before and even somewhat recently yards per attempt. Goff is doing spectacular there. Fewer passes than last year and some big connections is a huge factor in that fantastic figure. Oh, here's one more that also shows another angle - yards per completion. Goff is averaging almost 17 yards per completed pass! That leads the nation (I think). When he connects, Cal gets the most bang out of that connection. Our longest pass in school history yesterday was a fairly short one, yet went for 91 (?). Get these receivers and play-makers the ball, and good things happen...

In going through data, who is this Deshaun Watson at Clemson? He's completing balls at nearly 73%, y/a about 12, 10/1 TDs to INTs, 213 QBR and like Goff, has an amazing average pass completion of over 16 yards. And a freshman... Damn.


Goff is just another run of the mill Cal QB.
Rodgers, Bartkowski. Morton. Roth. Ho Hum.
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Cal89
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Not sure why we are saying Goff had an off game yesterday, one markedly different or worse than others this season.

Excluding the FCS game, he was averaging about 61% completions, with about a 170 rating.

In this game he was at 57%, with a rating of 199... Not exactly much different in those numbers, as well of others.

And if we look at consecutive halves, namely the last 2 quarters against the Cats, and first two quarters against the Buffs, there is some improvement actually:

Quarters 3 & 4: 5/13 (38%)
Quarters 1 & 2: 8/17 (47%)

Pretty bad 4 quarter stretch for us. Things obviously improved further in quarters 3 and 4 to get the completion percentage up to 57%. Sorry, as much as I like Pawlawski, if the AZ game is Goff's best game performance, that isn't saying much. Throwing 2/9 in the crucial 3rd, and 8 for 17 in the 2nd half should not make for one's best game. His first half is probably the best I remember, maybe ever. I'm still more fond of his Southern Cal game last year, and if we can include FCS, Sac State for sure.

Really, really looking forward to watching our passing game under the lights in the Palouse. Goff had 500+ yards against the Cougs last year, yet we only managed 22 points. I bet things will be quite different in this next game, for the better. And, I hope it rains big time, so the young man from Kentfield, "rain city" for the Bay Area, can put that misnomer behind him for good.
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Cal89;842368677 said:

Not sure why we are saying Goff had an off game yesterday, one markedly different or worse than others this season. ...


Just people repeating what Goff himself said. He's his most ardent critic but he knows what he expects from himself.
He talks to Sonny and Tony, watches film, studies, prepares, practices, and plays.
I'll take his words at face value and I don't care about "stat analysis" of any kind which doesn't "prove" anything.
Cal89
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Stats support and validate, what we see, and what he and others say. His play was subpar the last half against AZ and the first half against the Buffs. It picked-up in the last half of the Buff's game, and aided us greatly in the victory.

Stats get one to D1, the Heisman and drafted, among other things. Most prefer the objective to otherwise; especially when hearing statements from fans who have a passion for their team.
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Cal89;842368443 said:

I think there is something to that, throwing deep balls more often, certainly compared to last season, but not so sure as compared to other QBs. After watching conference play, including those QBs against us, I sense that is not much of a difference, us throwing deep more often...

Not only looking at completion % however. It is considered pure passing, accuracy though.

Other factors make for a good QB of course. I have noted here before and even somewhat recently yards per attempt. Goff is doing spectacular there. Fewer passes than last year and some big connections is a huge factor in that fantastic figure. Oh, here's one more that also shows another angle - yards per completion. Goff is averaging almost 17 yards per completed pass! That leads the nation (I think). When he connects, Cal gets the most bang out of that connection. Our longest pass in school history yesterday was a fairly short one, yet went for 91 (?). Get these receivers and play-makers the ball, and good things happen...

In going through data, who is this Deshaun Watson at Clemson? He's completing balls at nearly 73%, y/a about 12, 10/1 TDs to INTs, 213 QBR and like Goff, has an amazing average pass completion of over 16 yards. And a freshman... Damn.


I don't get it, you say he's not throwing deeper than other QBs, but then you note he leads the nation in yards per completion. Yards per attempt combines completion percentage and yards per completion which is why it's such a good metric. Goff is 7th in the nation in yards per attempt, and has the 2nd lowest completion percentage in that group. Even if you take away Lasco's catch, Goff would be top 10 and a lot of those guys have had long plays on short throws. I would love to see how Goff's completion percentage compares to other top QBs on throws more than 20 yards down field. I would imagine it's pretty good.
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Bc we saw it with our eyeballs
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Cal89;842368727 said:

Stats support and validate, what we see, and what he and others say. His play was subpar the last half against AZ and the first half against the Buffs. It picked-up in the last half of the Buff's game, and aided us greatly in the victory.

Stats get one to D1, the Heisman and drafted, among other things. Most prefer the objective to otherwise; especially when hearing statements from fans who have a passion for their team.


Off day... as in he missed some throws he usually doesn't miss. In the 2nd half of the AZ game, they had a good game plan against our pass and Goff didn't have the same opportunities to make plays as he had in the first half against Colorado.

You can't view stats without context, my friend. And stats are after the fact. I knew last year Goff was special despite his production. Why? You can see it in his play. The plays he is able to make, the quick release he has, the touch, his attributes: height especially, etc.
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