When Sonny Dykes was first hired I recall that at a meeting of Cal Fans during the Spring/Summer 2013 he was asked how difficult would it be for the team to learn his offense.

IIRC he said that he would not try to teach the Cal players everything at once, and that he would have them learn the offense over 3 years; with 1/3 in the first year, 1/3 in the second year and 1/3 in the 3d year. Therefore we could not see his entire "playbook" until the 3d year.
Does anyone else remember Sonny saying something like this.

If i was not just in some drug-induced fog, this would mean that 2015 should be the year of real fireworks. This year is just a prelude to some real scoring in 2015.

I'm hoping that we have not seen everything that he will unleash this year.

What we have is what we have but what we havent seem yet is two good halves of offense so hold on to your butts

Davidson;842370201 said:

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What we have is what we have but what we havent seem yet is two good halves of offense so hold on to your butts

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Yep.

I'm hoping we don't see anymore WR screens. For some reason, every defense in the country sees that coming.

Those screens open up other things for this offense. I hope defenses continue to see our screens coming and miss our vertical routes.

pappysghost;842370527 said:

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I'm hoping we don't see anymore WR screens. For some reason, every defense in the country sees that coming.

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It doesn't work, except when it does. Lasco's big run was technically a screen, wasn't it?
And we complain the offense moves to quickly, but then complain we dink and dunk on screen passes.

Look for lots and lots and lots of screens on Saturday, for both teams.

BeachyBear;842370541 said:

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It doesn't work, except when it does. Lasco's big run was technically a screen, wasn't it?
And we complain the offense moves to quickly, but then complain we dink and dunk on screen passes.

Look for lots and lots and lots of screens on Saturday, for both teams.

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The Lasco TD was a simple swing pass, not a screen. I raised this same concern in my bubble screen thread. I hope it does set up other plays because on its own the results are not good.

I hope it's more than just trick plays

Unit2Sucks;842370534 said:

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Those screens open up other things for this offense. I hope defenses continue to see our screens coming and miss our vertical routes.

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Exactly. We have scored at least two long td's on a screen look/pump by goff. When they jump the screen our wrinkle is to go over the top.

Once the run is working, I pretty much expect Goff to go deep once they hit about the 50 yard line. Run Lasco, then fake to Lasco and go deep man. Rinse and repeat.

Davidson;842370582 said:

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Once the run is working, I pretty much expect Goff to go deep once they hit about the 50 yard line. Run Lasco, then fake to Lasco and go deep man. Score TD. Rinse and repeat.

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Fify

^ Inorite?

honestly, anytime Goff has enough time to pump fake that screen pass, then turn his body and go to his second progression, I'm like good juju is about to happen

pappysghost;842370527 said:

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I'm hoping we don't see anymore WR screens. For some reason, every defense in the country sees that coming.

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Teams overcommit to stopping those screen passes for Cal. A huge part of how Treggs can get open on 3rd and 10 in the first overtime is because the safeties are cheating up to stop any WR screens. It's funny, they put quite a bit of effort into stopping a play that might go for 10 yards at best if they just tackle and in exchange they give Goff 1v1 coverage deep.

And Goff can hit those passes rather consistently. So he makes teams pay for trying to hard to stop the screen pass.

Davidson;842370604 said:

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^ Inorite?

honestly, anytime Goff has enough time to pump fake that screen pass, then turn his body and go to his second progression, I'm like good juju is about to happen

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This and knowing how the opposing DC must feel when Goff rolls out to his right, has tons of grass in front and is looking WAY down field. We must be averaging 50+ yards per play in those scenarios. Seems like every time that happens I shout "watch out" and he completes a bomb to a wide open guy.

I gotta think all those Rubinzer runs right up the middle are setting up defenses for a future play. You can already see defenses playing the run up the middle every time Rubinzer gets in there. Sooner or later Rubinzer is going to fake the run and throw to a wide open receiver.

Vegas Bear;842370628 said:

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I gotta think all those Rubinzer runs right up the middle are setting up defenses for a future play. You can already see defenses playing the run up the middle every time Rubinzer gets in there. Sooner or later Rubinzer is going to fake the run and throw to a wide open receiver.

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Don't run rubenzer first year, Run rubenzer second year, Pass with rubenzer third year.Amiright?

Defenses bite on all those passes to the flat because we have been training them on those since Tedford was here.

Is anybody here really complaining about the plays that score us in excess of 45 points per game?

Luke is the missing ingredient now, as a legitimate change of pace including passing.
Running him into the A gap is expected ... time to surprise a few teams and cause a opposing DCs to lose sleep.

SonOfCalVa;842370704 said:

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Luke is the missing ingredient now, as a legitimate change of pace including passing.

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Luke is gonna tell his kids he played with Jared Goff.

Davidson;842370201 said:

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What we have is what we have but what we havent seem yet is two good halves of offense so hold on to your butts

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aren't we something like the 3rd leading offense in the country?
didn't we score a bucket of points against two Pac12 teams?
we scored 17 pts in the second half vs AZ....how many points would qualify as a 'good half' to you?

I'm not saying we are there yet on offense as we have not played the top defenses (apparently WSU is one of them), but some people have a very high standard

^ no let downs on offense for 2 halves.

NW - we scored 7? After early 3rd, it was nothing...
Sac St - we put the backups in 2nd half and barely scored
Arizona - we scored 17 and lost 2nd half
CU - we scored 14 in the 1st half and got off to a bad start

Davidson;842370993 said:

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^ no let downs on offense for 2 halves.

NW - we scored 7? After early 3rd, it was nothing...
Sac St - we put the backups in 2nd half and barely scored
Arizona - we scored 17 and lost 2nd half
CU - we scored 14 in the 1st half and got off to a bad start

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younger team and it takes time learning how to win/ play a whole game .. takes time does not happen over night


1 figuring out that they are good enough to win check
2 finding out they have to play whole game check harsh lesson learned
3 finding out how to come back and fight through adversity and believe in themselves check
4 playing a whole complete game and finishing off / dominate a conference opponent this box is still un checked

68great;842369979 said:

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When Sonny Dykes was first hired I recall that at a meeting of Cal Fans during the Spring/Summer 2013 he was asked how difficult would it be for the team to learn his offense.

IIRC he said that he would not try to teach the Cal players everything at once, and that he would have them learn the offense over 3 years; with 1/3 in the first year, 1/3 in the second year and 1/3 in the 3d year. Therefore we could not see his entire "playbook" until the 3d year.
Does anyone else remember Sonny saying something like this.

If i was not just in some drug-induced fog, this would mean that 2015 should be the year of real fireworks. This year is just a prelude to some real scoring in 2015.

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That actually sounds like Tedford's playbook. I thought the whole point of Sonny Dykes's offense was how easy his system was to learn so that players could hit the ground running.

going4roses;842371073 said:

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younger team and it takes time learning how to win/ play a whole game .. takes time does not happen over night


1 figuring out that they are good enough to win check
2 finding out they have to play whole game check harsh lesson learned
3 finding out how to come back and fight through adversity and believe in themselves check
4 playing a whole complete game and finishing off / dominate a conference opponent this box is still un checked

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I'm just saying it will happen and hold on to your butts when it does

I don't recall those plays but I'll take your word for it. And this is very good. I'm not looking for more gadget plays from Sonny/Tony that they are holding on to while waiting for the perfect time. I'm looking for an offense that can run its plays well and for each and every play have a counter that they can run to take advantage of a defense that is 'cheating' when defending the base play. If teams are jumping our bubble screens (and I have seen a lot of that) then we should be running a lot of fake bubble screens with shots down the field. We don't have to save those plays (and I trust you Vandalus that you have seen we are not) we can run them every time we see the defense run up before the bubble pass is even delivered. I've seen every team do this: they see our receivers setup for a bubble screen and BEFORE the ball is even thrown they are running up. PERFECT SCENARIO FOR A COUNTER: run the same looking play but throw deep. But what am I saying, the offense has been great. Splitting hairs here.

Vandalus;842370579 said:

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Exactly. We have scored at least two long td's on a screen look/pump by goff. When they jump the screen our wrinkle is to go over the top.

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YuSeeBerkeley;842371079 said:

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That actually sounds like Tedford's playbook. I thought the whole point of Sonny Dykes's offense was how easy his system was to learn so that players could hit the ground running.

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At the meeting I remember, Sonny's whole point was that he was giving the Cal Offense something they could learn quickly even if the players were first year Freshmen. It was not like Tedford's playbook which took years to master.
But there were a number of twists that would be added to the base offense in years 2 and 3.
I clearly remember Sonny saying something to the effect that you wouldn't see the full blown offense until year 3.