OT: any honest dentists in the house?

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tommie317
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Thanks guys for the excellent feedback and then some. Sorry if it came out as angst against dentists (there are many other professions on my list that I distrust way more). I know that the majority of dentists are honest and true professionals in their practice.

Never had to face this issue before as my wife has perfect teeth and I've never had a cavity before so thanks for the patience.
BearlyCareAnymore
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tommie317;842371011 said:

Thanks guys for the excellent feedback and then some. Sorry if it came out as angst against dentists (there are many other professions on my list that I distrust way more). I know that the majority of dentists are honest and true professionals in their practice.

Never had to face this issue before as my wife has perfect teeth and I've never had a cavity before so thanks for the patience.


Could you please list these so the rest of us can take shots as you at well. (you anti-dentite bastard)
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tommie317;842371011 said:

Thanks guys for the excellent feedback and then some. Sorry if it came out as angst against dentists (there are many other professions on my list that I distrust way more). I know that the majority of dentists are honest and true professionals in their practice.

Never had to face this issue before as my wife has perfect teeth and I've never had a cavity before so thanks for the patience.


With that genetic profile do look very closely at sugar/carb intake in the future. Most unusual with the hereditary dental profile she was given. Cheers too.
93gobears
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OdontoBear66;842371032 said:

With that genetic profile do look very closely at sugar/carb intake in the future. Most unusual with the hereditary dental profile she was given. Cheers too.


With that genetic profile and given her sugar/carb intake I project she will be an opiate addict by the time she is twelve.
tommie317
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OaktownBear;842371019 said:

Could you please list these so the rest of us can take shots as you at well. (you anti-dentite bastard)
Can I say I may even distrust my own profession? Management consulting. There's good ones and not so good ones and for some, different experiences even with the same people. I think for many professions, there is a level of caution and trust building involved because of the expertise required and the potential for having your money drained or even worse, the wrong procedure or work done.

So the dental story goes, I got a new job and I saw this new dentist for the first time. Out of 15+ years of going to the dentist, she said I had two "half cavities" and she can take care of it onsite. First, never heard of half cavities and second, never had cavities ever before. After the "scare tactic" I was convinced that I needed them. After that experience, I started going to another dentist in the neighborhood. Well 6 years and maybe dentist visits later, those were the only "cavities" I've ever had. So did I really have "half cavities" or was that some extra work done for some pocket cash?

Ok, well since I was asked. The other professions I might distrust more than dentists in no particular order: car repairmen, copier repairman, other repairmen, stock brokers, financial planners, insurance salesmen, lawyers, management consulting, startup founders/ceo's who have really bad ideas, cable/phone employees, mortgage brokers, other salesmen, anyone with a commercial on FoxNews, warranty pushers, anyone who convinces my in laws that they need a new computer or a HELOC, etc

Don't all hit me at once ok
burritos
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I think doctors/dentists advise from the point of view that if you have something, they have to advise to protect from the worst case scenario. I have a feeling that if a 100,000 3.5 year olds all had the same exact cavities as your daughter and all of them waited 3-6 months, I doubt that 100,000 of them would have their teeth falling out due to that delay. But maybe 500-1000 something goes sideways to the point that you'd wish you had something sooner if that situation arises. I think you might ask what the dentist's opinion on what is the likelihood something will happen/get worse if you wait and see if the risk is worth the wait to you. And if that risk is on par with getting in a car accident driving your kid to school every day or getting food poisoning eating at a restaurant, then wait. But don't blame the practitioner if it does go sideways.
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1CalFan;842370849 said:

Not a dentist but you should google children's teeth & root canals. I would think that root canals are for adult teeth. Also, once you get your insurance have the dentist repair the cavities and then have the dentist place sealants on your child's teeth. My two children both had sealants on their baby teeth and never had a cavity during their youth. Lastly watch your child brush their teeth !


This may have been mentioned already, but a 3 1/2 year old CANNOT properly brush his or her teeth. Parents should be flossing and brushing childrens' teeth until about age 10. Another issue not mentioned thus far is the scourge of fruit juices and juice boxes. One of the WORST things you can do for your child's teeth is let them walk around all day with a bottle of juice to sip on or a juice box. Constant exposure to sugars is what accelerates decay. My friend and dentist says that your mouth can effectively flush sugars from your teeth for about five minutes. Thereafter, your teeth are marinating in tooth decay soup. So don't keep sugary drinks around for them to drink all day long. Let 'em enjoy these things with meals, but they shouldn't be sucking on them throughout the day. Substitute water for that.

Although your child will lose the baby teeth, severe decay and/or abscess can and will affect the adult teeth above and below the baby teeth.

Now a second and third opinion are in order for you.

My two children both needed "baby root canals." In spite of twice-daily flossing and brushing, our daughter had a deep cavity that required a root canal. Same thing with my son last year. Well, luckily I have a good and trusted dentist friend and Cal alum who has been a REAL GOD SEND as far as dental advice goes. In other words, he's both saved me thousands of dollars and offered straightforward, reasonable advice. I think the dental profession, like many today in California, suffers from the "do everything possible to avoid future litigation" disease. That is, whenever there's a doubt about pediatric dental care, they really err on the conservative side. This approach also happens to fatten their wallets. So when my son had a baby tooth erupt with an abscess in his gum, his regular dentist wanted to send him to the oral surgeon for tooth extraction, then the orthodontist to fit a spacer. "Better deal with this right away!" was their advice.

Well, I got on the phone to my friend and his initial advice was to allow the abscess to drain, monitor his fever and let him know if it didn't resolve in a week or so. The infection subsided and we decided to have him address the problem and perform a baby root canal (forgo extraction, that is). Then about a year later, the tooth erupted again. Since we had already performed the root canal, tooth extraction was the next step. My friend did it in his office in about half an hour. No oral surgeon needed. No orthodontic spacer needed. Result? Healthy, happy son and teeth. Savings? About $3-4k. I like!

So I realize you may not have the benefit of a trusted friend to rely on, so do some research on your own. Yelp is a good start, although its recommendations are not totally objective. You may want to pay for a subscription to Angie's List to find a well-liked dentist in your area. And if the dentist you do find suddenly recommends thousand dollar oral surgeons, you may want to continue searching until you find someone who can offer more affordable and reasonable dental care.

I'll echo what others said that waiting until age 3 1/2 sounds a bit late for her initial dental visit. See the dentist once the first teeth are in, then annually. Nope, I don't see the dentist every six months. That's what 2X a day flossing and brushing is for! And YOU need to be flossing and brushing her teeth! (If you can't do the floss, well then start on yourself for a few weeks until you get the motor dexterity, then do it on her. You'll find that once you're proficient flossing someone else's teeth, doing your own is a breeze! And then there are those flossers you can use, which I hate, but my wife likes 'em. I don't think they do a very good job.)

Good luck. I hope you find a professional, trustworthy and reasonably-priced dentist!
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93gobears;842370965 said:

So, brush your teeth is your answer?

Got all mine. same with my 93 year old father and 71 year old mother.

Seems pretty simple. Brush your teeth.

Haven't been to a dentist in 12 years. Still chomping.


Yeah...pretty much.
However....don't brush your teeth after eating as the environment is probably acidic and one will brush away enamel....wait about 30 minutes.

Dental disease is caused by bacteria and bacterial waste product (acidic).
One doesn't arrive into the world with the bacteria that causes tooth decay and periodontal disease.
One contracts it from someone...a family member, a boy/girl friend, preschool mates, care provider, etc.
It is an infectious disease process: Etiologic Agent>Reservoir>Portal of Exit>Mode of Transmission>Portal of Entry>Susceptible Host
Sugar does not cause cavities. Sugar causes the bacteria to thrive and create an acidic environment. Acid dissolves the the enamel, bacteria can then enter the tooth.
No bacteria, no cavities.....doesn't mean one can't have erosion...just not cavities caused by decay.

Cheers!
Go Bears!!!
davetdds
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Guess I am too late for this post. What the other Docs have said is perfectly valid and possible. " Let them rot" and " fall out". More like abscess with infection, early extraction, crowding due to drifting of the adult teeth moving forward and yes Orthodontics. I am not an Orthodontist. After 25+ years in practice, I now am a Professor at UOP Dental School. We have a great Pediatric Clinic that is separate and not among the adult patients. The Dr.'s that supervise there are all Pediatric Dentists. The nice thing about Dental School is ethics and integrity are just as important as diagnosis and fixing things. You will not have someone over, or under diagnosing. The only con with Dental School is there is a longer time commitment, but you get honest work. If you want to PM me, I can possibly give you a referral to a Pediatric guy in your area.
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93gobears;842370981 said:

I have insurance? Cut my gums.


I don't know....do you?

And just to continue your theme....cutting gums has nothing to do with tooth decay per se. Cutting gums is a treatment suggested because you failed to keep the bone in your jaws by neglect and or stress.
Tooth decay can be a result of poor periodontal (supporting structure of the teeth) care.

Cheers!!
Go Bears!!
71Bear
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Whew! I'n not on your list!
Bears2thDoc
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tommie317;842371043 said:

Can I say I may even distrust my own profession? Management consulting. There's good ones and not so good ones and for some, different experiences even with the same people. I think for many professions, there is a level of caution and trust building involved because of the expertise required and the potential for having your money drained or even worse, the wrong procedure or work done.

So the dental story goes, I got a new job and I saw this new dentist for the first time. Out of 15+ years of going to the dentist, she said I had two "half cavities" and she can take care of it onsite. First, never heard of half cavities and second, never had cavities ever before. After the "scare tactic" I was convinced that I needed them. After that experience, I started going to another dentist in the neighborhood. Well 6 years and maybe dentist visits later, those were the only "cavities" I've ever had. So did I really have "half cavities" or was that some extra work done for some pocket cash?

Ok, well since I was asked. The other professions I might distrust more than dentists in no particular order: car repairmen, copier repairman, other repairmen, stock brokers, financial planners, insurance salesmen, lawyers, management consulting, startup founders/ceo's who have really bad ideas, cable/phone employees, mortgage brokers, other salesmen, anyone with a commercial on FoxNews, warranty pushers, anyone who convinces my in laws that they need a new computer or a HELOC, etc

Don't all hit me at once ok


For the record, I've never heard of "half cavities" either.
But I am confused...15+ years of going to the dentist that told you you had 1/2 cavities? If so, you probably had the beginnings of cavities in two areas and it is best to get them early than late.
There is no expiration date... I've been going to the dentist for 55 years. I had 5 cavities filled between age 5 and age 17. Then I had signs of a cavity in between molar teeth at age 18. My father (Pops) elected to just watch them. Well almost 40 years later there is no change....in those two teeth. However, last January I had my first real cavity in over 40 years, pretty big as cavities go. So now I have 6 fillings....no crowns, no root canals, no gum cutting.

Cheers!
Go Bears!!
tommie317
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71Bear;842371290 said:

Whew! I'n not on your list!
What do you do?
Forgot to add psychiatrists, pharma pushers
BeachyBear
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This is an interesting discussion. In this day and age, I'd definitely look at a second opinion.

And yah, the credibility of the dental profession has gone way down. Mainly because a lot of dentists have become married to Big Pharma and cosmetic industries and care more about making money than helping patients. This isn't my opinion, it's the opinion of my honest dentist after I told him my horror story.

I went to one of those low-life denti$t$ who has an in-house financial administrator - first clue you're dealing with a crook, the dentist has a moneyman. This denti$t sold me a bite guard that the honest dentist told me was not only wasteful but actually harmful. This denti$t also sold antibiotic gum implants that, again, not only don't work but are in fact medically questionable. The denti$t also tried to sell me a fancy plaque cleaning kit (also unnecessary and possibly harmful). AND tried to sell the holy grail of dental care - teeth whitening. Which is PROVEN to be harmful.

I've also met salespeople from the pharma/ cosmetic industry who basically shared the inside secret, that the profit margin in dentistry is in products and services people really don't need, and it's mostly a big scam.

So... after that experience, spending thousands and learning the truth later, I've retained a healthy skepticism for the profession. I can certainly understand your concern. However, real tooth decay isn't something to mess with as the consequences can be pretty bad. Still worth considering other opinions and not getting to riled up over the lecturing of professionals who, let's face it, know that many in their profession have sold their souls to salespeople, and should probably temper their sanctimony accordingly. Unless they want to try and defend things like the Plaquebuster3000, good luck with that.
tommie317
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Okay guys, the results are in. I have received valuable input from dentists and those who had similar experiences. I understand that there could be potential for huge impact if not done, although there are unknown variables about this situation.

The verdict is that we will seek a second opinion this Saturday. I will let you guys know what the outcome and decision will be. I'm not against spending money for the right care if needed, I also don't want my daughter to experience a root canal and hate going to the dentist forever if there are other reasonable options available or a strong difference in opinion.

Thanks all!
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