clancy throws kam under the bus cause he could not scheme / make adjustments vs the wolfpack do you remember ?

that was foul .. i have yet to hear art throw anyone under the bus by name ..

pendy in 3 yrs recruited NO one that played a down for CAL ... i see 3 playing now playing that art went and got late so...

and if art has pendys players ... the results would be similar

note pendy an his not recruiting .. is part of the whole on the back end that you see now which is the primary factor on this defense that looks kinda of bad ...

BeachyBear;842379479 said:

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And yah, from a schematic standpoint Pendy was better. He basically had one bad game against UCLA and stupid SC fans lost it.

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Didn't Clancy lose the ASU game by giving up more than 60 points? The game that got Kiffin fired?

going4roses;842379825 said:

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clancy throws kam under the bus cause he could not scheme / make adjustments vs the wolfpack do you remember ?

that was foul .. i have yet to hear art throw anyone under the bus by name ..

pendy in 3 yrs recruited NO one that played a down for CAL ... i see 3 playing now playing that art went and got late so...

and if art has pendys players ... the results would be similar

note pendy an his not recruiting .. is part of the whole on the back end that you see now which is the primary factor on this defense that looks kinda of bad ...

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Clancy wasn't a recruiter. He was a coordinator. If the question is "who was the better recruiter" then the answer is Kaufman. But that's not the question.

The question is who is the better coordinator -- Clancy or Buh or Kaufman? The answer is easy . . . Clancy!!!!!!

Again, Kaufman is better than Buh. Hands down. But Kaufman just produced the absolute worst defensive performance in the history of college football. The defense he fielded was a total embarrassment.

Though I do take NVGolfingBear's point that maybe he will improve as a DC. Then again, maybe he will get worse. Only time will tell.

Wasn't too long ago when many posters were longing for Wilcox to become our HC......LOL.

Cal_Fan2;842379869 said:

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Wasn't too long ago when many posters were longing for Wilcox to become our HC......LOL.

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He looks like an even bigger perv than Oski.

gazing at Shaq's loins

Jamestown76;842379850 said:

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Clancy wasn't a recruiter. He was a coordinator. If the question is "who was the better recruiter" then the answer is Kaufman. But that's not the question.

The question is who is the better coordinator -- Clancy or Buh or Kaufman? The answer is easy . . . Clancy!!!!!!

Again, Kaufman is better than Buh. Hands down. But Kaufman just produced the absolute worst defensive performance in the history of college football. The defense he fielded was a total embarrassment.

Though I do take NVGolfingBear's point that maybe he will improve as a DC. Then again, maybe he will get worse. Only time will tell.

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And Clancy with the same personnel against the same team with Cal running the same offense would have done better last week? As the previous poster said, it's really hard to compare coordinators with so many of the key variables different. I once saw a Clancy coached Cal team give up 35+ points in like 20 minutes to USC. It wasn't the worst defensive performance of all time because Cal's offense was anemic that day so the Trojans called off the dogs. The bottom line is that you have to look deeper than final #'s.

Let's give Kaufman a season or two before we make judgments. To call him worse than Tom Holmoe is laughable to me. Just watch the team play, how they tackle, line up, run to the ball, etc. Holmoe in his one season as a DC was awful.

GoBears58;842379470 said:

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great news... pressure on SarkSleazian and Wilcox... Some fans want Pendy back.

Hopefully recruits take notice.

In fact the staff should go after Smith and Langley again hard if they tank more.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/la-sp-usc-football-wilcox-20141010-story.html

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Wilcox may be the only reason Sark still had the Udub job by turning around what was a putrid defense. SC's talent on defense is thin and overrated.

Jamestown76;842379850 said:

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Clancy wasn't a recruiter. He was a coordinator. If the question is "who was the better recruiter" then the answer is Kaufman. But that's not the question.

The question is who is the better coordinator -- Clancy or Buh or Kaufman? The answer is easy . . . Clancy!!!!!!

Again, Kaufman is better than Buh. Hands down. But Kaufman just produced the absolute worst defensive performance in the history of college football. The defense he fielded was a total embarrassment.

Though I do take NVGolfingBear's point that maybe he will improve as a DC. Then again, maybe he will get worse. Only time will tell.

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Comparing two coaches with two very different rosters on two very different teams... an exercise in futility. At least it makes for some BI entertainment.

BerlinerBaer;842380011 said:

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Comparing two coaches with two very different rosters on two very different teams... an exercise in futility. At least it makes for some BI entertainment.

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But I'm not simply comparing Kaufman and Clancy. I also compared Kaufman's performance last week against every single DC's performance in the history of college football. So I am actually comparing thousands of people and hundreds of thousands of games. Surely some other DCs also had inexperienced secondaries. Surely some of them also faced pass-happy offenses.

Yet in nearly 150 years of college football, Art Kaufman produced the single worst defensive performance ever.

I'm all for giving him more time. But let's call a spade a spade . . . last week he was the worst ever. Clancy was pretty good. Kaufman has been terrible as of late.

[U]Total body of work:[/U]
Clancy > Gregory > Mooch > Kaufman > Buh.

[U]Single Game Performance:[/U]
Every single DC in History > Kaufman last week.

Given how well Furd defensed WSU last night, it makes sense that Kaufman could have done a lot better. But then Leach was doing everything to help Furd beat the spread so it's impossible to make a valid comparison.

:acclaim:

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All this Toejam trash talk..makes me wonder how well we will do in the Coliseum this year..As much as I hate them, they own us on the football field..

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That's because most of their recruits weren't recruited by Cal and they all figure it's payback time when we play them. :rollinglaugh:

tenplay;842380085 said:

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Given how well Furd defensed WSU last night, it makes sense that Kaufman could have done a lot better. But then Leach was doing everything to help Furd beat the spread so it's impossible to make a valid comparison.

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But again, it isn't simply between Furd's DC and our DC. It is between Kaufman and every DC in the history of college football. Against WSU, Kaufman gave up more yards than anyone else in history.

Jamestown76;842380087 said:

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But again, it isn't simply between Furd's DC and our DC. It is between Kaufman and every DC in the history of college football. Against WSU, Kaufman gave up more yards than anyone else in history.

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You seem bent on reposting this screed more times than WSU got points.

SonOfCalVa;842380090 said:

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You seem bent on reposting this screed more times than WSU got points.

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That's funny.

But it is not a screed. Screeds are long. This is very short and basic. dictionary.com

as cam jordan says "a win is a win " some need to be thankful however we got/get them

2013 1 win some say none (over port st) 2012 3 wins .. so thus far 4 wins so far and you complain about Art ..

the game is changing by game and by season the game is not what it was a year ago or the year before that so ...

art is of substance .. pendy throwing kam under the bus cause he could not handle/game plan for the pistol ends for me .. so im going to blame a first year starter by name ...


then he goes to sc and says " CAL players could not run his schemes fully " or whatever he said to that affect and yall want him back or even hint at it .. well yall must want tosh back too ??

plus the hole that art is trying to coach out of depth wise is partially on pendy FACT so think what you will

art with pendy's guys does just a well imo just as if pendy was here things would be the same with : no depth/ severe lack of experience

some of yall are truly comical ...

art has not even been here a year .. and yall expect him to solve and fix 3-4 yrs worth of problems in few months have it

i know art with these guys could stop the pistol . not running all over CAL for 200 plus yards

fickle fan bases get what they deserve ..

art wasnt the reason scarlett and moose spent a year out with injury right
art wasnt the reason CAL missed out on so many S/CB then in turn causing the depth/exp issues
art wasnt the reason pendy did not recruit anybody in 3 years ?? nor stop certain offenses
art has yet to call out any player by name in neg way to blame them like pendy did
art is not the reason mcclure and avery got hurt
blame is on JT /pendy for no depth in the backfield / experience
now you can blame sonny for hiring buh and those coaches terrible coaches and sandy for signing off on the hire

is the pass defense unacceptable damn right does fall all on him .. nope " never seen this combo of injuries bring no lack depth / exp in 35 yrs"

all time depth and injury issues do not go away over night or in 5 game yes 5 games


i think art is and his coaches are doing the best with what they got to work with

at what point to do the grievances vs the team( not just DC its all coaches and players playing as 1 whole unit aka a FAMILY some parts working pretty good some other parts still have some work to do right ) so maybe try to lighten up ?



signed G4R

GO BEARS !!!

one more thought before i move on to get a lil rest b4 my first game this year due to health issues ( thanks for all the get well messages )

lastly be very very thankful for the lack of season injuries and depth ? how being just a lil thankful about downs and allensworth and that dude name GOFF bouncing back from injury to be able to contribute/ball out add scarlett/moose/rigsbee ? is that not worth enough taking a chill pill now if we 1-3 or 2-3 .. have it but come on really really REALLY

going4roses;842380093 said:

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i think art is and his coaches are doing the best with what they got to work with

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You seem to be blaming our players instead of the coaches for the worst defensive performance in CFB history.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pumped that we won. But let's not pretend that Kaufman has been showing a lot of improvement lately.

Jamestown76;842380091 said:

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That's funny.

But it is not a screed. Screeds are long. This is very short and basic. dictionary.com

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How about "redundant"? That's also short and basic.

NYCGOBEARS;842380099 said:

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How about "redundant"? That's also short and basic.

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That's a better fit. But I think it applies better to someone who constantly criticizes other fans who point out weaknesses in our program.

Jamestown76;842380101 said:

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See attachment:

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You seem to be blaming our players instead of the coaches for the worst defensive performance in CFB history.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pumped that we won. But let's not pretend that Kaufman has been showing a lot of improvement lately.

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Getting so excited that you're posting the same boring message twice ... you're getting a bit orgasmic, kid. :p

You were already sounding like a broken record BEFORE the triple post

DangerBear;842380108 said:

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You were already sounding like a broken record BEFORE the triple post

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Wow, yeah, so this thread sure took a turn. Lol. What were we saying about Wilcox again?

TheSouseFamily;842380109 said:

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Wow, yeah, so this thread sure took a turn. Lol. What were we saying about Wilcox again?

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Wilcox suks without to$h.

Sorry. I haven't posted over 5,000 times on this board before. I messed up trying to edit. I'm new to all of this.

"Orgasmic little kids" know how to work internet message boards. But they often get confused about the basic definitions of middle school vocab words, like "screed." So I think Mr. Virginia's name-calling is more self-reflexive than accurate.

TheSouseFamily;842380109 said:

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Wow, yeah, so this thread sure took a turn. Lol. What were we saying about Wilcox again?

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Jamestown76;842380098 said:

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You seem to be blaming our players instead of the coaches for the worst defensive performance in CFB history.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pumped that we won. But let's not pretend that Kaufman has been showing a lot of improvement lately.

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hmm k so that was the only thing you took from what i said .. not the least bit surrpized ..


oh so im blaming the players like pendy did with kameron jackson by name ... after wolfpack at cma , could he could not scheme with those players to stop the pistol ... not that he did not have the players but was not smart enough or whatever

i gave my blame list you and chose not you use anyone of those lol.. but you cherry pick something and in turn your 100% wrong

Jamestown76;842380083 said:

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But I'm not simply comparing Kaufman and Clancy. I also compared Kaufman's performance last week against every single DC's performance in the history of college football. So I am actually comparing thousands of people and hundreds of thousands of games. Surely some other DCs also had inexperienced secondaries. Surely some of them also faced pass-happy offenses.

Yet in nearly 150 years of college football, Art Kaufman produced the single worst defensive performance ever.

I'm all for giving him more time. But let's call a spade a spade . . . last week he was the worst ever. Clancy was pretty good. Kaufman has been terrible as of late.

[U]Total body of work:[/U]
Clancy > Gregory > Mooch > Kaufman > Buh.

[U]Single Game Performance:[/U]
Every single DC in History > Kaufman last week.

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How was this the worst defensive performance in history? Pretty sure teams have racked up more total yards than WSU. Boston College ran over 400 yards on USC.

Jamestown76;842380083 said:

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[U]Total body of work:[/U]
Clancy > Gregory > Mooch > Kaufman > Buh.

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Mooch?? :rollinglaugh:

Stop now before you fall further behind. LOL