The teaching disconnect

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wifeisafurd
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This is a response from a Furd Asst. Prof what they actually do. Notice the discussion on actually teaching. This time priority is exactly what Governors like Jerry Brown are complaining about, but its a direct conflict with a research-oriented university like Cal.
What's it like to be a professor?

Answer below by Jay Wacker, former professor.

TL;DR: It's varied and requires a lot of different skills that I didn't learn in school.

I get to work on what I want to work on. I get to choose my own hours. But there are a lot of responsibilities beyond simply doing research and teaching. What these are depends on the university and field of study.

My life as a junior professor at Stanford (up for tenure in the fall) consists of the following.

Tenure
Stanford is a research university. All tenure decisions are based off your research reputation in your respective community. You have to be competent in the classroom and reasonably collegial to your colleagues, but in the end, the cliche of "publish or perish" is true. in the end, the cliche of "publish or perish" is true.

Tenure is an up-or-down decision. You get it and you have a job for life, or you don't and you must move after the following year (i.e. you're fired). Stanford's tenure system is a real review they send 15 to 20 unsolicited letters to senior members of your community, asking about your standing in the community.

Research
So life as a junior (untenured) professor is really about trying to build a record that will get you tenure. If you see young professors looking tired and stressed, that's why.

Writing research papers to be first published on preprint servers and then in proper journals is a major component of research. What goes into that research obviously varies a lot by field; since I'm a theoretical physicist, there are a lot of pen and paper calculations.

When you submit a paper to journal, it gets sent out to be refereed (i.e. reviewed for quality). This can be trivial or a pain depending on the situation. Sometimes, the anonymous referee rubber stamps a paper and other times they give feedback. Recently, I had a three month battle with a referee over frequentist vs. Bayesian statistics. I eventually got frustrated and sent it off to another journal (equally prestigious), which accepted the paper without complaints.

You also have to be a referee. The general rule of thumb is to wait for one or two rounds of harassment before you respond. Otherwise, you'll have more and more reviews to do.

Ultimately, the research is evaluated by overall impact, which is measured through the above letters and through the more objective (though overly simplistic) citation count.

Travel
One major component for building an international reputation in my field is traveling. You travel to give seminars and colloquium and also go to conferences and workshops. I spend about three to four months a year traveling on a shoe-string budget, and am about to hit 1 million miles on American Airlines.

Public speaking
Public speaking is a huge factor, and giving concise, entertaining presentations is important. I tend to give about 20 hour-long presentations per year on recent research projects, and another five to 10 special topic presentations. Summarizing your work well in person is one of the key components to getting more citations.

Grants
Getting money is a big factor in tenure, so you apply for a lot of grants. Government grants are typically 10-to-20 page applications filled with budgets, descriptions of research, etc. You have to follow the rules to a T think of it as filling out your taxes the language is obtuse and confusing, and not getting a specific grant could sink your career or cause you to lay off staff. Grant applications usually take 100 to 200 hours the first time you apply, and then 50 to 100 hours the next time.

Mentorship and personnel management
For most professors in the sciences at research universities, your research is the raison d'etre for your position, so you have to be performing research constantly. Most people develop a team consisting of graduate students, postdoctoral researchers and technical staff all of whom you're paying off of the grants you've received.

This aspect of the job requires a lot of hiring. When postdoctoral positions become available, we get 400 to 600 applications for one to three positions. Postdoctoral positions are very expensive, so postdoctoral hiring is taken very seriously.

Letter writing
In order to get the best people, you have to develop the existing researchers which means getting them jobs. So you have to spend a lot of time writing letters of recommendation (usually in the fall). I currently write about 15 to 20 letters per year. If you say the wrong words, it can cost researchers the possibility of getting faculty positions thereby destroying your ability to hire the best people in the future.

Graduate student mentorship
Graduate student researchers are important for most professors' research. In three years you have to bring them from knowing next to nothing to being independent researchers: This requires a lot of mentorship. You have to tailor projects to their abilities and find out how much they can do before they become overwhelmed. You have to lift them up when they hit a wall and don't feel like they can go on (it happens to every graduate student at some point and frequently at multiple points). You have to keep them excited when they get burnt out on a project halfway through it.

Most graduate students get livable stipends these days. That means more grant money. At Stanford, we have to pay for their tuition for four years, which brings a fully loaded student up to $80,000 each year.

Local/national/international committee work
There also is committee work and meetings. Once you become faculty, you are a manager of the department and wider university. You have faculty meetings, committee meetings, etc. I'm on a few fellowship selection committees, the graduate admissions committee frequently, and am a pre-major adviser this year. There also are faculty hiring committees, which are very political and can drain a huge amount of time.

Teaching
Finally, there is teaching. I teach one to two quarters per year. I've taught a mixture of graduate and undergraduate classes.

Teaching is fun, and I think a fair fraction of faculty would love it, but the limited time available to prepare a course really prevents most of us from spending as much time as we would like on it. I find it fulfilling to be up in front of the classroom, writing lectures and designing problem sets, but, unfortunately, I only can put in 10 to 15 hours per week into a course.

I posted this not because I have any new insights, but because this is the debate that is occurring about the direction of UC campuses. Thoughts?
moonpod
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Well. It sounds about right. It's academia. The reality is that "teaching" per se is relatively low on the totem pole in a true research university environment.
Dbearson
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Sounds like you have to love it or its a huge pita
dajo9
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Dbearson;842465975 said:

Sounds like you have to love it or its a huge pita


This applies to every job. Unless you really like pitas.
GB54
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At the CSU's a full load is teaching four courses a semester. At a UC, it's about one course a year. The last thing we want is the best researchers in the world wasting time in a classroom.
berk18
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The conflict between research and teaching gets mentioned all the time, but people talk less about the positive value that an outstanding research faculty brings to the classroom. It may be true that any grad student could teach Bio 1A, but once you get past the double-digit course numbers, your professor's involvement in the greater academic community becomes a huge asset for a student's education. Professors who do a lot of research, go to lots of conferences, and talk to other leading figures in their field simply know more about the discipline and where it's going. They're intimately involved in the important arguments, through personal correspondence they know what's going to be published before it is, they know what they want to be doing in five years and why it matters, and their upper division curricula reflect those facts and interests more often than not. Part of the faculty's job is to advance the field by bringing new students up to speed so that they can carry on the torch in the next generation. It takes so, so much time to become an expert on even the smallest topic, and then to maintain that level of expertise. People who are primarily teaching professors simply can't do that as well.

The real question is, how many of your courses were sunk by bad teachers? Obviously the above benefits don't matter if the professor isn't updating their curriculum or can't effectively communicate it. Is this a problem that many of us run into at Cal? It wasn't for me, and I know I had a lot of opportunities that I wouldn't have had elsewhere. There's a reason Cal sends so many undergrads to PhD programs.
SonOfCalVa
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moonpod;842465955 said:

Well. It sounds about right. It's academia. The reality is that "teaching" per se is relatively low on the totem pole in a true research university environment.


That is why a lot of excellent teachers leave Cal and go to junior colleges that have Cal equivalent courses..
They want to teach and work with students.
They usually make a lot more money, also.
pingpong2
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That's the difference between being a professor at an R01 school like Cal or Stanfurd rather than a T32 school like one of the CSUs or a liberal arts school.
SonOfCalVa
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pingpong2;842466026 said:

That's the difference between being a professor at an R01 school like Cal or Stanfurd rather than a T32 school like one of the CSUs or a liberal arts school.


No. It's the difference between the "publish or perish" rate race ... or ... actually teaching.
pingpong2
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SonOfCalVa;842466052 said:

No. It's the difference between the "publish or perish" rate race ... or ... actually teaching.


Why would you say no, and then proceed to state the difference between being a professor at an R01 school vs a T32 school?
moonpod
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It's just whether or not you want to be a teacher vs a professor. They are two very different things that bring with them different plusses and minuses. In terms of education as Berk noted different benefits as well as you get to upper division classes. But neither is for every person or student
bearister
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I took a class from his brother, Richard Wacker.
Dbearson
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dajo9;842465976 said:

This applies to every job. Unless you really like pitas.


No but this one appears extra painful.
Bobodeluxe
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bearister;842466088 said:

I took a class from his brother, Richard Wacker.


I see what you did.
bearister
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Bobodeluxe;842466118 said:

I see what you did.


So in other words you know their brother, Peter?
NYCGOBEARS
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bearister;842466193 said:

So in other words you know their brother, Peter?


He's better known by his nickname, Tally.
bearister
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NYCGOBEARS;842466194 said:

He's better known by his nickname, Tally.


Has this thread been hijacked by a bunch of 12 year olds?
GB54
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bearister;842466207 said:

Has this thread been hijacked by a bunch of 12 year olds?


Dick Hertz? Who's Dick Hertz?
NYCGOBEARS
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GB54;842466209 said:

Dick Hertz? Who's Dick Hertz?


He owns Big Dick's Sporting Goods.
Bearacious
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I'm an academic and Cal Ph.D. and you are out of your mind.
NYCGOBEARS
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Bearacious;842466216 said:

I'm an academic and Cal Ph.D. and you are out of your mind.

Which one of us? Can you be more specific?
Chabbear
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California Community College instructor full load is five courses or 15 units per semester.
wifeisafurd
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The head of the ROtC at Cal back in the stone age when I had a roommate that went thru ROTC was Major Richard Head. I kid you not.
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