I happened to stumble onto a website to settle a bet with some ACC friends. Well, I lost. The site, collegeacceptancerates.com lists every conference and school's acceptance rates from the 2013 year. I found the numbers interesting in many cases. Thought I'd share.

[U]Pac-12[/U]
Furd - 5.7%
Cal - for some reason not listed, but I think it's around 17% so I'll put us here
USC - 19.9%
UCLA - 20.4%
Washington - 59.1%
Oregon - 74.2%
Washington State - 76.0%
Arizona - 76.9%
Oregon State - 78.8%
Utah - 82.6%
Colorado - 83.6%
Arizona State - 87.9%

[U]SEC[/U]
Vanderbilt - 14.2%
Florida - 44.1%
Alabama - 53.0%
Georgia - 56.1%
South Carolina - 60.6%
Ole Miss - 61.0%
Texas A&M - 67.1%
Kentucky - 67.3%
Tennessee - 67.3%
Mississippi State - 69.3%
LSU - 76.2%
Auburn - 77.0%
Missouri - 81.5%
Arkansas - 99.5%

[U]Big 10[/U]

Northwestern - 15.3%
Michigan - 36.5%
Maryland - 46.8%
Minnesota - 49.5%
Penn State - 54.2%
Wisconsin - 54.6%
Purdue - 61.3%
Ohio State - 63.0%
Nebraska - 64.0%
Illinois - 63.3%
Michigan State - 70.0%
Indiana - 74.0%
Iowa - 78.4%

[U]Big 12[/U]

Texas - 46.8%
Baylor - 61.0%
Texas Tech - 64.0%
Oklahoma State - 77.0%
Oklahoma - 79.1%
Iowa State - 82.5%
West Virginia - 85.1%
Kansas - 92.3%
Kansas State - 98.9%
TCU - no data reported

[U]ACC[/U]

Duke - 9.8%
Notre Dame - 23.5%
North Carolina - 27.6%
Virginia - 29.9%
Boston College - 32.0%
Wake Forest - 34.0%
Miami - 40.0%
Georgia Tech - 41.1%
NC State - 49.6%
Syracuse - 51.0%
Florida State - 53.7%
Clemson - 57.9%
Virginia Tech - 70.4%
Louisville - 73.0%

Wisconsin - 54.6%
Oregon State - 78.8%

Gary Andersen would have never cut it at Cal

The ACC and the B1G are much deeper than the Pac as far as academics. There's a pretty large drop off after the CA schools. The conference's academic rep rides on that group's larger than life prestige.

Interesting that Michigan's is so high and SC so low. I wonder what kind of poor inbreeds fell into that .5% that got rejected from Arkansas.

is this the whole student body ? or just football/basketball players

going4roses;842467933 said:

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is this the whole student body ? or just football/basketball players

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Everyone.

Yes it's everyone. I believe the site's source for all those numbers was the US News & World Report data.

If the NCAA min is 2.3/1080, wonder what % of admitted "applicants" at Arkansas, Kansas State, and ASU are below that?

so, souse, what was the bet? and what did you lose?

Today I learned that showing pride in attending the University of Arkansas is roughly the same as showing pride in being a Costco member.

rathokan;842467948 said:

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so, souse, what was the bet? and what did you lose?

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Ha. I had said that the Pac-12 was the best academic conference of the Power 5 which then morphed into my saying that it was the most selective conference and better than the ACC. I agreed to let average admission rate be the proxy even though quality of applicants surely plays a major factor. Even though UW has a higher acceptance rate than Bama, I don't think anyone would argue it's a better school. But I agreed to the criteria of using acceptance rates for our bet and, quite clearly, lost. In some cases, population density seems to play a role as well (that's why USC and many Florida schools are low, while all the schools out on the plains are very high). As for the bet, it was a shot of Fireball. Lol.

No big deal, but that's a really bad criteria to use, one of the reasons you cited. I don't think I've ever seen a good objective set of criteria for "best academic" schools, and don't get me started on USN&WR or any other publication that portends to have one. I think that they are mostly meaningless anyway, people go to schools for different majors, programs, reasons, and what may be perfect for one is not for another.

wow.. didn't think many pac 12 schools would rival DeVry and U of Phoenix like that. Even UW is pathetic if half of all applicants get in.

HuntingtonBear;842467961 said:

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wow.. didn't think many pac 12 schools would rival DeVry and U of Phoenix like that. Even UW is pathetic if half of all applicants get in.

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Really? So they would be "better" if they had three times as many unqualified applicants, so their rate of acceptance was much lower? Not in my thinking.

goldenokiebear;842467960 said:

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No big deal, but that's a really bad criteria to use, one of the reasons you cited. I don't think I've ever seen a good objective set of criteria for "best academic" schools, and don't get me started on USN&WR or any other publication that portends to have one. I think that they are mostly meaningless anyway, people go to schools for different majors, programs, reasons, and what may be perfect for one is not for another.

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Looking at average test scores + GPA might have been better for the OP.

pingpong2;842467972 said:

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Looking at average test scores + GPA might have been better for the OP.

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Agreed. Bear in mind, it was Saturday night and it was a conversation our group had after a complete day of watching basketball and drinking enough beer to kill a medium-sized animal.

USC games the rate by admitting less in Fall and taking in a large number in Spring.

Based upon 25th percentile and 75th percentile SAT scores of admitted students, the rankiong of Pac-12 schools is roughly:

Stanfurd
USC
Cal
UCLA
Washington
Colorado
Utah
Oregon
Arizona
Arizona St.
Oregon St.
Washington St.

Also, some public schools like Arizona State are required by law to accept (or at least give strong preference to) in-state HS graduates, so their acceptance rate will tend to be higher than schools that have no such requirement.

77Bear;842467989 said:

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Based upon 25th percentile and 75th percentile SAT scores of admitted students, the rankiong of Pac-12 schools is roughly:

Stanfurd
USC
Cal
UCLA
Washington
Colorado
Utah
Oregon
Arizona
Arizona St.
Oregon St.
Washington St.

Also, some public schools like Arizona State are required by law to accept (or at least give strong preference to) in-state HS graduates, so their acceptance rate will tend to be higher than schools that have no such requirement.

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Is that the percentiles for the combined score? IIRC USC lets students use the highest verbal/math/writing scores from across multiple sittings (thus inflating that number), whereas the UCs require you to submit the verbal/math/writing scores from the same sitting.

pingpong2;842467992 said:

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Is that the percentiles for the combined score? IIRC USC lets students use the highest verbal/math/writing scores from across multiple sittings (thus inflating that number), whereas the UCs require you to submit the verbal/math/writing scores from the same sitting.

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I don't know about UC's protocol. My son just went through the college app process which is why I had these figures handy. (The figures were taken from data published by each school.) Every college that we visited (we didn't visit Cal) said that they took the highest SAT score in each section, regardless of the test date or the number of times a student took the test.

The ranking is based upon the sum of Critical Reading and Math, as many schools ignore the Writing score.

If you have a child that doesn't get into Arkansas, it's probably best for everyone involved to just put him or her down.

damn

TheSouseFamily;842467998 said:

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If you have a child that doesn't get into Arkansas, it's probably best for everyone involved to just put him or her down.

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They shoot horses don't they...


My bad...

At least Mr Ed could count by stomping a hoof...

Acceptance rates are not a good proxy for anything other than acceptance rates - as others have suggested - because of manipulation of "early admit" which drives the overall acceptance rate down. The common app also has driven application numbers up and acceptance rates down. There also is a lot of self-selection. Michigan has a higher acceptance rate - BUT, its test score/grade profile is more on par with supposedly "more selective" schools. Cal's acceptance rate is similarly affected - you can just look at the number of in-state applicants which is less than several UC campuses.

Fall, 2014, Cal admitted 14.1%. The unweighted GPA was 3.89 for in- state; 3.92 out of state. This year apps amount to 78,000 with another 20,000 for transfer.

77Bear;842467989 said:

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Also, some public schools like Arizona State are required by law to accept (or at least give strong preference to) in-state HS graduates, so their acceptance rate will tend to be higher than schools that have no such requirement.

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Can't imagine that 90%+ of any state's high school grads are adequately prepared to enter a 4 year college directly. Some of those schools must have huge resources allocated to remedial classes.

TheSouseFamily;842467917 said:

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I happened to stumble onto a website to settle a bet with some ACC friends. Well, I lost. The site, collegeacceptancerates.com lists every conference and school's acceptance rates from the 2013 year. I found the numbers interesting in many cases. Thought I'd share.

[U]Pac-12[/U]
Furd - 5.7%
Cal - for some reason not listed, but I think it's around 17% so I'll put us here
USC - 19.9%
UCLA - 20.4%
Washington - 59.1%
Oregon - 74.2%
Washington State - 76.0%
Arizona - 76.9%
Oregon State - 78.8%
Utah - 82.6%
Colorado - 83.6%
Arizona State - 87.9%

[U]SEC[/U]
Vanderbilt - 14.2%
Florida - 44.1%
Alabama - 53.0%
Georgia - 56.1%
South Carolina - 60.6%
Ole Miss - 61.0%
Texas A&M - 67.1%
Kentucky - 67.3%
Tennessee - 67.3%
Mississippi State - 69.3%
LSU - 76.2%
Auburn - 77.0%
Missouri - 81.5%
Arkansas - 99.5%

[U]Big 10[/U]

Northwestern - 15.3%
Michigan - 36.5%
Maryland - 46.8%
Minnesota - 49.5%
Penn State - 54.2%
Wisconsin - 54.6%
Purdue - 61.3%
Ohio State - 63.0%
Nebraska - 64.0%
Illinois - 63.3%
Michigan State - 70.0%
Indiana - 74.0%
Iowa - 78.4%

[U]Big 12[/U]

Texas - 46.8%
Baylor - 61.0%
Texas Tech - 64.0%
Oklahoma State - 77.0%
Oklahoma - 79.1%
Iowa State - 82.5%
West Virginia - 85.1%
Kansas - 92.3%
Kansas State - 98.9%
TCU - no data reported

[U]ACC[/U]

Duke - 9.8%
Notre Dame - 23.5%
North Carolina - 27.6%
Virginia - 29.9%
Boston College - 32.0%
Wake Forest - 34.0%
Miami - 40.0%
Georgia Tech - 41.1%
NC State - 49.6%
Syracuse - 51.0%
Florida State - 53.7%
Clemson - 57.9%
Virginia Tech - 70.4%
Louisville - 73.0%

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How would you feel if your son or daughter were rejected or even "wait listed" at Arkansas.
Who made up that 0.5% rejected?

ncbears;842468018 said:

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Acceptance rates are not a good proxy for anything other than acceptance rates - as others have suggested - because of manipulation of "early admit" which drives the overall acceptance rate down. The common app also has driven application numbers up and acceptance rates down. There also is a lot of self-selection. Michigan has a higher acceptance rate - BUT, its test score/grade profile is more on par with supposedly "more selective" schools. Cal's acceptance rate is similarly affected - you can just look at the number of in-state applicants which is less than several UC campuses.

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How about also throwing in "popularity contests" that have nothing to do with academics. Two examples: UCSB (I would suggest academics + party + beach) and fUCLA (I would suggest LA ambiance + reasonably good academics + big draw area---add in beach if you need)…..One that puzzles me is that SDSU, the absolute party school of California along with Chico State, has seriously downsized (at least I have heard this) and it now requires a 4.0 to get in….In the old days it hung with ASU and UofA….

GivemTheAxe;842468141 said:

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How would you feel if your son or daughter were rejected or even "wait listed" at Arkansas.
Who made up that 0.5% rejected?

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UNC Basketball players?

BearDevil;842468015 said:

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At least Mr Ed could count by stomping a hoof...

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I almost lost my dinner lmao...

socaliganbear;842467924 said:

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The ACC and the B1G are much deeper than the Pac as far as academics. There's a pretty large drop off after the CA schools. The conference's academic rep rides on that group's larger than life prestige.

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Wrong again. The Big 10 has 3, and possibly 4 elite schools....NW, UM, UW, and possibly Purdue or Illinois for engineering. ACC Football has Duke, UVa, and UNC, plus ND for other sports. BC and The U are marginal. Pac 12 has the 4 California schools and UW. Colorado, Arizona, and Utah each has highly rated departments, then there's a steep drop off.

77Bear;842467989 said:

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Based upon 25th percentile and 75th percentile SAT scores of admitted students, the rankiong of Pac-12 schools is roughly:

Stanfurd
USC
Cal
UCLA
Washington
Colorado
Utah
Oregon
Arizona
Arizona St.
Oregon St.
Washington St.

Also, some public schools like Arizona State are required by law to accept (or at least give strong preference to) in-state HS graduates, so their acceptance rate will tend to be higher than schools that have no such requirement.

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I know more and more kids who get into UCB and UCLA and don't get into USC. Crazy times.

SFBear2012;842467931 said:

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Interesting that Michigan's is so high and SC so low. I wonder what kind of poor inbreeds fell into that .5% that got rejected from Arkansas.

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Current incarceration stopped admission process.

juarezbear;842468221 said:

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Wrong again. The Big 10 has 3, and possibly 4 elite schools....NW, UM, UW, and possibly Purdue or Illinois for engineering. ACC Football has Duke, UVa, and UNC, plus ND for other sports. BC and The U are marginal. Pac 12 has the 4 California schools and UW. Colorado, Arizona, and Utah each has highly rated departments, then there's a steep drop off.

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The ACC and B1G are still deeper and very well balanced. Schools like Illinois, Penn State, Ga Tech, Ohio State, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest etc are all higher ranked than a whole two thirds of the P12. The Pac is just OK, and mostly propped up by one cluster of schools.

Of course this entire thread is predicated on some flawed ranking or another. Either way, there is very little to support the misnomer that the Pac is the most highly academic conference in sports. It's incredibly top heavy.