1. The game officials (as a whole). I saw only one penalty (Treggs 1st quarter catch that was ruled a drop) that I think they got wrong (which I believe didn't change the game, as we finished that drive with a score). For the rest of the game, either the onfield refs got it right initially, OR the wrong call was corrected by the reviewing crew. Their best call was late in the game when Heard scrambled and dove at the first down mark. His body cleared the line, but the ball was short, and they did not give him the 1st down.

2. The Texas coaching staff. Yes, they pulled a bush league stunt with the fake injury, but then they turned right around and did the right thing by calling a time out.

chalcidbear;842550240 said:

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... 2. The Texas coaching staff. Yes, they pulled a bush league stunt with the fake injury, but then they turned right around and did the right thing by calling a time out.

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The timeout was automatic, by rule, not the result of Texass "sportsmanship".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "automatic" timeout occurs with any injury, and is not charged to the team. My understanding is that Texas DID take a charged timeout to cover the situation, thus making up for their preliminary (crappy) decision.

What I saw was Charlie calling timeout while the position coaches were communicating with the player.

I thought that was bush league move by the player and his position coach.

I thought the Texas fan base was incredibly classy through out our stay and even after the game. I was a little worried because beer is served at the game, and no one gets carded. At SC this would mean rudeness, but we had various disappointed Texas fans come up to after the game and congratulate us.

Also, some props have to be given to our placekicker, Anderson. After missing his first shot at a FG, he made a 34-yarder and all of the PATs.

chalcidbear;842550257 said:

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "automatic" timeout occurs with any injury, and is not charged to the team. My understanding is that Texas DID take a charged timeout to cover the situation, thus making up for their preliminary (crappy) decision.

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The player tweeted today that he actually had a shoulder injury the play before, thus was trying to go out of the game...

did any of you hear this chant?

wifeisafurd;842550285 said:

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I thought that was bush league move by the player and his position coach.

I thought the Texas fan base was incredibly classy through out our stay and even after the game. I was a little worried because beer is served at the game, and no one gets carded. At SC this would mean rudeness, but we had various disappointed Texas fans come up to after the game and congratulate us.

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BearBackerinLA;842550302 said:

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did any of you hear this chant?

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No but I heard the student section chanting F you Cal! That was rather classless I thought

wifeisafurd;842550285 said:

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I thought that was bush league move by the player and his position coach.

I thought the Texas fan base was incredibly classy through out our stay and even after the game. I was a little worried because beer is served at the game, and no one gets carded. At SC this would mean rudeness, but we had various disappointed Texas fans come up to after the game and congratulate us.

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Yes, the fans were very polite. I did wonder if things would have been so cordial if Texas was ranked in the Top 10, heh.

chalcidbear;842550240 said:

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1. The game officials (as a whole). I saw only one penalty (Treggs 1st quarter catch that was ruled a drop) that I think they got wrong (which I believe didn't change the game, as we finished that drive with a score). For the rest of the game, either the onfield refs got it right initially, OR the wrong call was corrected by the reviewing crew. Their best call was late in the game when Heard scrambled and dove at the first down mark. His body cleared the line, but the ball was short, and they did not give him the 1st down.

2. The Texas coaching staff. Yes, they pulled a bush league stunt with the fake injury, but then they turned right around and did the right thing by calling a time out.

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The refs were not good. In the first quarter, there several questionable calls, all of which went against Cal. The spot on Enewere's run, Tregg's catch, and a very late hit on Goff (after he slid) that should have been called a penalty. There was also some obvious holding by the Texas OL that was not called. I think it evened out over the course of the game (Cal caught some breaks in the second half, but mostly because Texas was undisciplined). The larger point is the refs were not particularly good.

+1 other than the Treggs catch/no catch, I thought it as a very well officiated game. I was particularly impressed with two calls than are easy to screw up - 1) the forced out of bounds, return to catch the ball play. 2) the over the LOS play - since it only matters when the ball is not the body, the replay official made a good call on an extremely close play.

I would like to see those guys every week.....

Also, you are right about TX calling a timeout - they didn't have to but they did thus eliminating any controversy over a very questionable action by the player. Well done, Charlie Strong.

I have a question on the slide...

I could have sworn that by rule the ball is spotted where you START your slide, not where you end it. Sliding is an act of giving yourself up as a QB that protects you (i.e. once you start your slide you aren't supposed to get hit).

Did they change this rule or am I making this up out of no where?

~MrGPAC

If you slide feet first, the ball should be placed where you start your slide. If an opponent cannot stop himself from running into you, it is ok as long as he doesn't hit you in the head. Just because a QB gives himself up, it doesn't mean he can't be touched. Sometimes contact is unavoidable.

chalcidbear;842550240 said:

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1. The game officials (as a whole). I saw only one penalty (Treggs 1st quarter catch that was ruled a drop) that I think they got wrong (which I believe didn't change the game, as we finished that drive with a score). For the rest of the game, either the onfield refs got it right initially, OR the wrong call was corrected by the reviewing crew. Their best call was late in the game when Heard scrambled and dove at the first down mark. His body cleared the line, but the ball was short, and they did not give him the 1st down.2. The Texas coaching staff. Yes, they pulled a bush league stunt with the fake injury, but then they turned right around and did the right thing by calling a time out.

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Haha.

So on the play in question he slid knees first instead of feet first so this rule didn't apply (the ball being down where he starts his slide)?

~MrGPAC

71Bear;842550373 said:

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+1 other than the Treggs catch/no catch, I thought it as a very well officiated game. I was particularly impressed with two calls than are easy to screw up - 1) the forced out of bounds, return to catch the ball play. 2) the over the LOS play - since it only matters when the ball is not the body, the replay official made a good call on an extremely close play.

I would like to see those guys every week.....

Also, you are right about TX calling a timeout - they didn't have to but they did thus eliminating any controversy over a very questionable action by the player. Well done, Charlie Strong.

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Honest question - was the pushed out of bounds call right? I'm not familiar with the details of the rule, but it seemed like the contact was well away from the sideline.

In terms of the ball over the LOS call, I don't understand how the refs get credit for that one when they MISSED the initial call. Yes, the replay officials corrected it - it was obvious. However, they missed an obvious call on the field. There were lots of questionable calls, reviews, and review reversals and to me, that is not a "well officiated game".

DLSbear;842550312 said:

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No but I heard the student section chanting F you Cal! That was rather classless I thought

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I have to report that a bar packed full of grown-ass Cal fans broke into more than 1 F U Texas chants. It quickly went from mortifying to awesome.

MiZery;842550294 said:

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The player tweeted today that he actually had a shoulder injury the play before, thus was trying to go out of the game...

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He was hurt. I saw it on the tackle on the sideline. That said having him fall down was lame. But I think it was a knee jerk panic move by the coach.
However, not sure Cal fans should get too uppity on this given the Oregon game a few years back - and those "falls" were multiple and pre-planned (which could be construed as worse).

BayAreaHorn;842550513 said:

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He was hurt. I saw it on the tackle on the sideline. That said having him fall down was lame. But I think it was a knee jerk panic move by the coach.
However, not sure Cal fans should get too uppity on this given the Oregon game a few years back - and those "falls" were multiple and pre-planned (which could be construed as worse).

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“Regardless if every opponent did it in the previous weeks, it doesn’t make it OK and it doesn’t mean that we or I can match the behavior of others,” Lupoi told Okanes. “Regardless of what everyone else is doing, it doesn’t make something OK.”

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Cal's one of few teams who've done this to investigate and suspend a coach, so I think that 5 years removed from the situation, and with an entirely different coaching staff, we can probably give Texas a little **** for this.

And it can be fairly argued that the whole scuba incident led to Tosh leaving, recruits Armstead and shaq Thompson going elsewhere, Tedford's sorry finish, and yrs of rebuilding....

If anyone thinks the officiating was good I recommend they go watch a replay of Texas' 2nd touchdown drive. 2nd and 13 at their own 2 Heard runs for 34 past Broussard who was being blatantly held for a good, long time. Next play Gray runs for 15 yards past Kragen who was being just as blatantly held.

While the 1st half was filled with bad calls (non-calls) in Texas' favor, I do believe the 2nd half was more evenly called.

71Bear;842550373 said:

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+1 other than the Treggs catch/no catch, I thought it as a very well officiated game. I was particularly impressed with two calls than are easy to screw up - 1) the forced out of bounds, return to catch the ball play. 2) the over the LOS play - since it only matters when the ball is not the body, the replay official made a good call on an extremely close play.

I would like to see those guys every week.....

Also, you are right about TX calling a timeout - they didn't have to but they did thus eliminating any controversy over a very questionable action by the player. Well done, Charlie Strong.

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The forced out of bounds play is almost always called correctly and this instance it WASN'T because the rule is you are required to make a reasonable effort to return to the playing field after being forced out. Running 20+ more yards out of bounds is not a reasonable efforts. That was a BAD call.

BayAreaHorn;842550513 said:

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He was hurt. I saw it on the tackle on the sideline. That said having him fall down was lame. But I think it was a knee jerk panic move by the coach.
However, not sure Cal fans should get too uppity on this given the Oregon game a few years back - and those "falls" were multiple and pre-planned (which could be construed as worse).

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with all due respect GTFO on this.. Do shoulder injuries usually result in a guy limping off the field with a gimpy leg... and in case you need proof, he was SPRINTING off the field perfectly fine before the sniper fall. in fairness, maybe he DID hurt his shoulder on the flop.

Anyone who thinks that the officiating crew was even-handed or that they did a good job is an idiot.

xultaif;842550538 said:

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with all due respect GTFO on this.. Do shoulder injuries usually result in a guy limping off the field with a gimpy leg... and in case you need proof, he was SPRINTING off the field perfectly fine before the sniper fall. in fairness, maybe he DID hurt his shoulder on the flop.

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hayzeus christo calm down - I said it was lame for him to drop down (I was only confirming that it did appear his shoulder got dinged); that said, for a Cal fan to complain about it happening ONCE (and we ended up calling a timeout anyway) is ridiculous given the numerous pre-meditated times you guys did it against Oregon

dajo9;842550535 said:

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If anyone thinks the officiating was good I recommend they go watch a replay of Texas' 2nd touchdown drive. 2nd and 13 at their own 2 Heard runs for 34 past Broussard who was being blatantly held for a good, long time. Next play Gray runs for 15 yards past Kragen who was being just as blatantly held.

While the 1st half was filled with bad calls (non-calls) in Texas' favor, I do believe the 2nd half was more evenly called.

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and Texas fans believe the 2nd half was called in your favor - what a shock

xultaif;842550537 said:

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The forced out of bounds play is almost always called correctly and this instance it WASN'T because the rule is you are required to make a reasonable effort to return to the playing field after being forced out. Running 20+ more yards out of bounds is not a reasonable efforts. That was a BAD call.

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20 yards? please, he got back in bounds as quick as possible (or else he wouldn't have been there to make the catch)

BayAreaHorn;842550558 said:

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hayzeus christo calm down - I said it was lame for him to drop down (I was only confirming that it did appear his shoulder got dinged); that said, for a Cal fan to complain about it happening ONCE (and we ended up calling a timeout anyway) is ridiculous given the numerous pre-meditated times you guys did it against Oregon

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As someone else said, that was 5 years ago. Entirely different coaching staff. We also apologized for it and took our slap on the wrist.

I'll be saying a prayer for the young man that he recovers and is able to play this weekend. We'll see what they say in their injury report this week.

BayAreaHorn;842550563 said:

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20 yards? please, he got back in bounds as quick as possible (or else he wouldn't have been there to make the catch)

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|Watch the reply and then you can come back and apologize. Or I will. ;-)

BearGoggles;842550393 said:

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In terms of the ball over the LOS call, I don't understand how the refs get credit for that one when they MISSED the initial call.

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Because they didn't. If you were watching on TV, the announcers were really salty about how the ref could possibly have given Texas such a bad spot, only to have to eat their words when the replay showed the call was correct.

BayAreaHorn;842550561 said:

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and Texas fans believe the 2nd half was called in your favor - what a shock

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Why? Because a Cal player got his helmet knocked off and the officials had the temerity to throw a flag?

BayAreaHorn;842550558 said:

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hayzeus christo calm down - I said it was lame for him to drop down (I was only confirming that it did appear his shoulder got dinged); that said, for a Cal fan to complain about it happening ONCE (and we ended up calling a timeout anyway) is ridiculous given the numerous pre-meditated times you guys did it against Oregon

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In that game, play was stopped due to a Cal player injury only four times. In two of them, the player did not return during the game, so clearly there was a legitimate injury. There was only one "flop," and as others have posted the position coach was suspended for one game. How much do you want to bet that Texas will take similar action?

xultaif;842550567 said:

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As someone else said, that was 5 years ago. Entirely different coaching staff. We also apologized for it and took our slap on the wrist.

I'll be saying a prayer for the young man that he recovers and is able to play this weekend. We'll see what they say in their injury report this week.

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I didn't say our guy/coach should have done it; but it wasn't premeditated (the "act" was so badly obvious), and we called a timeout. It was a bonehead and bad idea. Your fanbase (on this board) was defending it up and down when you did it (more often, and planned) against Oregon. I really don't care that you did it against Oregon, but for fans here to get up in arms is funny.

BayAreaHorn;842550563 said:

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20 yards? please, he got back in bounds as quick as possible (or else he wouldn't have been there to make the catch)

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Please look again. First of all, he wasn't "forced" out. Second, he took at least eight steps along the sidelines before coming back in to make that catch.