Injuries are really mounting on that defense.

It's okay, Rosen Chosen.

When Goff leaves, it's okay, we have the Chasen.

Bruce FeldmanVerified account ‏@BruceFeldmanCFB 7s7 seconds ago
Speculation was true: #UCLA LB Myles Jack is out for the season due to a knee injury. Huge loss for the Bruins.

Justin Hopkins ‏@JHopkins247 2m2 minutes ago
#UCLA LB Myles Jack is out for the season per Jim Mora via @joeyrkaufman - That hurts.

Wow even though the Bruins are always #2 in my hated opponent power rankings and Jack is a beast who would make our game more difficult I hate to hear this news. Hope he's able to make it back to pre injury form and realize the tremendous future that's in front of him.

Dude that guy is absolute freak of nature, that is an ENORMOUS loss. Now just needs to heal up for the draft.

Wow

Yes...hope Jack get's to 100%...he's a special talent and deserve a shot in the NFL.

With that being said.....that defense saved them this past weekend. Golden child going to have to do better if they want to keep winning.

Boy that sucks. He's an exciting player to watch. Hope he makes a complete recovery and gets back in action.

In practice? That sucks man

There is speculation by some in Westwood that Myles was not all there in the BYU game, although he was still making plays.

Really terrible news for him. Hoping he can make it back 100%.

TheSouseFamily;842552340 said:

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Boy that sucks. He's an exciting player to watch. Hope he makes a complete recovery and gets back in action.

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...after Cal plays UCLA.

Strykur;842552347 said:

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There is speculation by some in Westwood that Myles was not all there in the BYU game, although he was still making plays.

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Mentally or physically

Terrible news. A very talented kid. Wishing him a full recovery.

Really tough break for the kid and the ruins. I'm sure he'll be back at 100% in no time- look at Navorro Bowman after his awful blowout and he appears to be back at 100%. I have a feeling Jack rehabs quickly and declares for the draft. If his recovery is on track he would still be a first day pick.

That kid is dynamic. Big big blow for them

Never like to see injuries. I hope he recovers and has a successful football future.
Hope it doesn't set the Bruins back too much, but they're stacking up for UCLA and that's not good.
(Hope they don't try and poach our S&C coach at the end of the season...)

Go Bears!!

Vegas Bear;842552312 said:

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Injuries are really mounting on that defense.

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Hate to hear that about any of the young men playing sports. Speedy recovery and success.

Gosh that's horrible. And the fact that the coach hasn't said much and he already has had surgery the same night makes me think its a particularly terrible one. Maybe a compound fracture? Ugh ...

silver lining, he should be back in time for the NFL draft.

Whoa. That's Cowboys injuries bad.

Dbearson;842552352 said:

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Mentally or physically

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Latter.

That's really a huge bummer - I feel sorry for the kid. I wonder if he had a medical insurance policy - I would think he slips a bit in the draft with this injury.

Yeah, much as we'd like to play UCLA w/o Jack on the field, it's a loss for the quality of the college game when a player of his talent goes down. If he's recovered by draft day, we probably won't see him again.

Damn, that's terrible. UCLA is having a rough time this year -- had hoped to face them @ full strength.

It's really starting to get to the point where there is something intrinsically wrong with a sport that so many who play it can't do so for one season. This idea that "injuries happen" and that it is a sport of attrition is fan justification for a pretty disturbing reality. We want to see players play--not games won on the luck of injuries at key positions. I love football, but I don't think it is ruining the sport or "putting dresses on them" to make significant, substantive changes that protect the players.

More rules about use of the helmet? Eliminating tackles below the knees? Removing helmets all together? Something has to be done or this will become truly just a gladiator sport where those in enough financial need are the only ones playing because the risk reward makes sense to them. Our local high school team has dropped by about 50% participation, and there are more and more kids that do not follow the NFL and instead watch soccer and basketball. The older generation can ignore the warning signs and cling to tradition, but it is entirely possible that football loses a fanbase out from under their feet if their organizing bodies don't stop putting all their effort into $, TV markets, and expansion rather than the sport itself and some very real problems. we3 will watch football until we die--we are addicts. Not true for the generations in our wake.

blungld;842552544 said:

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It's really starting to get to the point where there is something intrinsically wrong with a sport that so many who play it can't do so for one season. This idea that "injuries happen" and that it is a sport of attrition is fan justification for a pretty disturbing reality. We want to see players play--not games won on the luck of injuries at key positions. I love football, but I don't think it is ruining the sport or "putting dresses on them" to make significant, substantive changes that protect the players.

More rules about use of the helmet? Eliminating tackles below the knees? Removing helmets all together? Something has to be done or this will become truly just a gladiator sport where those in enough financial need are the only ones playing because the risk reward makes sense to them. Our local high school team has dropped by about 50% participation, and there are more and more kids that do not follow the NFL and instead watch soccer and basketball. The older generation can ignore the warning signs and cling to tradition, but it is entirely possible that football loses a fanbase out from under their feet if their organizing bodies don't stop putting all their effort into $, TV markets, and expansion rather than the sport itself and some very real problems. we3 will watch football until we die--we are addicts. Not true for the generations in our wake.

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I think one way to start would be to reduce the padding levels significantly, starting with the helmets. The fact that the helmets are hard only encourages players to use them as weapons. It is the same with the shoulder and chest pads. Rugby doesn't need the pads, and while there are concussions and serious injuries they don't seem quite as common as we now have in football.

Of course, part of the problem is that American Football has evolved into a collision sport. The "big hit" is a huge part of the game and that only works if players have all the armor and padding so they feel confident in throwing their bodies into contact. Take the padding out at the high school level and you'd probably see much better form in the tackles. Heck, I remember playing without pads in pickup games and you rarely saw people leave their feet and lead with their heads simply because they knew it would hurt them. But give a 14 year old player a helmet and he's going to learn bad tackling form because to him the helmet is a wonderful way to get the "big hit".

Terrible! Hate hearing this regardless who these kids play for...2 big marquee players hurt already with Scooby in the shelf as well

blungld;842552544 said:

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It's really starting to get to the point where there is something intrinsically wrong with a sport that so many who play it can't do so for one season. This idea that "injuries happen" and that it is a sport of attrition is fan justification for a pretty disturbing reality. We want to see players play--not games won on the luck of injuries at key positions. I love football, but I don't think it is ruining the sport or "putting dresses on them" to make significant, substantive changes that protect the players.

More rules about use of the helmet? Eliminating tackles below the knees? Removing helmets all together? Something has to be done or this will become truly just a gladiator sport where those in enough financial need are the only ones playing because the risk reward makes sense to them. Our local high school team has dropped by about 50% participation, and there are more and more kids that do not follow the NFL and instead watch soccer and basketball. The older generation can ignore the warning signs and cling to tradition, but it is entirely possible that football loses a fanbase out from under their feet if their organizing bodies don't stop putting all their effort into $, TV markets, and expansion rather than the sport itself and some very real problems. we3 will watch football until we die--we are addicts. Not true for the generations in our wake.

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This is basically like me eating meat. If I thought every day about how mistreated animals are in the meat industry, I would personally be a vegetarian. But I like meat, so I don't think about it. I just shake my head every time I smell the stench on my drive down I5, and then go on eating meat. I like football too much to think about it, though I know I should.

Here is the problem. You are right, the shyte will come down for football. But it is going to be a long time before it happens and the fact is that doing something now will reduce profits now, and the people in the NFL will be long gone before the problems come. So they make some rules that reduce issues on the margins (and don't get me wrong - they are good rules changes). The problem is that the game was always dangerous and it is much more so now that guys are bigger and faster than ever. The game would have to be fundamentally changed. Not just better helmets or rules against targeting. The severity and frequency of collisions needs to be taken out of the game, or I agree, more kids are going to stay away. This is nothing new but it is growing closer to critical mass. I firmly believe that you be talking about Hall of Fame running back Rickey Henderson (first love was football, SC schollie offer), if Mama Henderson and teachers didn't push Rickey into baseball. For me, there is no way I'd let my kid play football. Ultimately the game is going to reach a breaking point in terms of finding the talent. The question ultimately will be if people would rather see football as it is played today with lesser talents or would rather seen a modified form with higher level talent but a significant reduction in collisions.

Unit2Sucks;842552381 said:

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Really tough break for the kid and the ruins. I'm sure he'll be back at 100% in no time- look at Navorro Bowman after his awful blowout and he appears to be back at 100%. I have a feeling Jack rehabs quickly and declares for the draft. If his recovery is on track he would still be a first day pick.

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Keenan Allen, a NFL for-sure draftee, had a similar incidence on a off-side kick play in his junior year.
Allen seems to have recovered.

OaktownBear;842552570 said:

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This is basically like me eating meat. If I thought every day about how mistreated animals are in the meat industry, I would personally be a vegetarian. But I like meat, so I don't think about it. I just shake my head every time I smell the stench on my drive down I5, and then go on eating meat. I like football too much to think about it, though I know I should.

Here is the problem. You are right, the shyte will come down for football. But it is going to be a long time before it happens and the fact is that doing something now will reduce profits now, and the people in the NFL will be long gone before the problems come. So they make some rules that reduce issues on the margins (and don't get me wrong - they are good rules changes). The problem is that the game was always dangerous and it is much more so now that guys are bigger and faster than ever. The game would have to be fundamentally changed. Not just better helmets or rules against targeting. The severity and frequency of collisions needs to be taken out of the game, or I agree, more kids are going to stay away. This is nothing new but it is growing closer to critical mass. I firmly believe that you be talking about Hall of Fame running back Rickey Henderson (first love was football, SC schollie offer), if Mama Henderson and teachers didn't push Rickey into baseball. For me, there is no way I'd let my kid play football. Ultimately the game is going to reach a breaking point in terms of finding the talent. The question ultimately will be if people would rather see football as it is played today with lesser talents or would rather seen a modified form with higher level talent but a significant reduction in collisions.

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Well we pulled our kid out of youth football (helps that he loves rugby and, to quote, "I can't wait to get to Cal to study engineering and play front line for Coach Clark"). IMHO you have to essentially remove fall to much from the game to have it actually be "football". It isn't just the "big hit" as it is pretty clear that the subconsussive impacts that linemen get takes a brutal toll.

OaktownBear;842552570 said:

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This is basically like me eating meat. If I thought every day about how mistreated animals are in the meat industry, I would personally be a vegetarian. But I like meat, so I don't think about it. I just shake my head every time I smell the stench on my drive down I5, and then go on eating meat. I like football too much to think about it, though I know I should.

Here is the problem. You are right, the shyte will come down for football. But it is going to be a long time before it happens and the fact is that doing something now will reduce profits now, and the people in the NFL will be long gone before the problems come. So they make some rules that reduce issues on the margins (and don't get me wrong - they are good rules changes). The problem is that the game was always dangerous and it is much more so now that guys are bigger and faster than ever. The game would have to be fundamentally changed. Not just better helmets or rules against targeting. The severity and frequency of collisions needs to be taken out of the game, or I agree, more kids are going to stay away. This is nothing new but it is growing closer to critical mass. I firmly believe that you be talking about Hall of Fame running back Rickey Henderson (first love was football, SC schollie offer), if Mama Henderson and teachers didn't push Rickey into baseball. For me, there is no way I'd let my kid play football. Ultimately the game is going to reach a breaking point in terms of finding the talent. The question ultimately will be if people would rather see football as it is played today with lesser talents or would rather seen a modified form with higher level talent but a significant reduction in collisions.

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Maybe they should play the game in two feet of water. (no, not a reference to the 2008 Oregon game)

Is Jack a Junior? I assume he has not used his redshirt year, has he?

calbear80;842552592 said:

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Is Jack a Junior? I assume he has not used his redshirt year, has he?

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Yes, he's like Goff--a true third year Junior.