this time five stabbed at UC Merced. There have been a rash of these types of events lately on US campuses. The college campus used to be a safe haven (or maybe it wasn't and we have more news coverage today), but outside of that horrible tragedy at the UT tower, I just don't recall the mass number of multiple killings until the last five to ten years, and now it seems like a weekly item. What gives?

Media attention that the murderers want

Rome falling from within.

Ban knives! :sarc:

[URL="http://www.boston.com/community/blogs/crime_punishment/2012/08/no_increase_in_mass_shootings.html"][U]No Increase in Mass Shootings
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And according to [URL="http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/"][U]Pew Research Center[/U][/URL], the gun homicide rate is down 49% since 1993. This decreased rate has happened at the same time the number of firearms in the U.S. has increased from 192 million in 1994 to 350+ million today.


And [URL="http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/CPRC-Mass-Shooting-Analysis-Bloomberg2.pdf"]~[U]92% of mass public shootings[/U][/URL] between Jan. 2009 and July 2014 occurred in "Gun-Free Zones." These mass shooters are cowards and most often go to where they know they won't find armed resistance. If they do find armed resistance, they often kill themselves in response. Please do not publically advertise your places of business, schools, arenas of entertainment, places of worship, shopping centers, etc., as a "gun-free zone" which is painting a target on your backs.

Thanks for bringing some facts to this emotional subject.

Golden One;842584490 said:

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Ban knives!

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No one died but the assailant. Imagine how bad it would have been if he had a gun.

wifeisafurd;842584472 said:

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this time five stabbed at UC Merced. There have been a rash of these types of events lately on US campuses. The college campus used to be a safe haven (or maybe it wasn't and we have more news coverage today), but outside of that horrible tragedy at the UT tower, I just don't recall the mass number of multiple killings until the last five to ten years, and now it seems like a weekly item. What gives?

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"Five stabbed" is not as bad as "25 shot."

Golden One;842584504 said:

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Thanks for bringing some facts to this emotional subject.

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Yea thanks for bringing in facts about guns and mass killings when there was no guns and mass killings involved, but yes thanks for the facts

grandmastapoop;842584506 said:

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No one died but the assailant. Imagine how bad it would have been if he had a gun.

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What are you proposing from a policy standpoint? Ban all gun ownership so that individual would have had a harder time obtaining a firearm? Or somehow (how exactly?) confiscate all 350+ million firearms?

Imagine how many more violent crime incidents there would be without defensive uses of firearms.

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;842584515 said:

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What are you proposing from a policy standpoint? Ban all gun ownership so that individual would have had a harder time obtaining a firearm? Or somehow (how exactly?) confiscate all 350+ million firearms?

Imagine how many more violent crime incidents there would be without defensive uses of firearms.

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An amazing straw man argument. I made and implied no policy suggestion. I was replying to an asinine argument and noting my gratitude that this assailant did not himself have a gun.

wifeisafurd;842584472 said:

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this time five stabbed at UC Merced. There have been a rash of these types of events lately on US campuses. The college campus used to be a safe haven (or maybe it wasn't and we have more news coverage today), but outside of that horrible tragedy at the UT tower, I just don't recall the mass number of multiple killings until the last five to ten years, and now it seems like a weekly item. What gives?

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Reporting of these incidents is what gives.

30 years ago, no one would give a damn what happened one town over.

A good view on what is happening is that most Americans think mass shootings, gun deaths and general crime involving guns is up and is some kind of epidemic. It is not. How does that happen? You say something enough times and talk about every occurance and it will seem like an unstoppable tide.

Look at Ebola as an example of reporting causing panic over a minor blip in the data.

grandmastapoop;842584517 said:

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An amazing straw man argument. I made and implied no policy suggestion. I was replying to an asinine argument and noting my gratitude that this assailant did not himself have a gun.

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You were not merely "noting your gratitude" but clearly also making an anti-firearm statement: "Imagine how bad it would have been if he had a gun."

You made no policy suggestion. You were emoting. I asked for a clear-headed policy suggestion, which you then proceeded to completely ignore.

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;842584521 said:

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You were not merely "noting your gratitude" but clearly also making an anti-firearm statement: "Imagine how bad it would have been if he had a gun."

You made no policy suggestion. You were emoting. I asked for a clear-headed policy suggestion, which you then proceeded to completely ignore.

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No, you didn't ask me for a policy suggestion. You asked me what I AM "suggesting". I am suggesting no policy in this thread, and I don't need to respond to any request that I do (which, again, you did not even do, nor have you done).

Interesting, there have been 318 in the country so far in 2015.

grandmastapoop;842584522 said:

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No, you didn't ask me for a policy suggestion. You asked me what I AM "suggesting". I am suggesting no policy in this thread, and I don't need to respond to any request that I do (which, again, you did not even do, nor have you done).

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You don't get it, do you? That is exactly the problem I am highlighting. You emote, you don't think. Now quit evading so hard the request made (several times now) and share with us in detail your policy changes.

UrsaMajor;842584525 said:

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Interesting, there have been 318 in the country so far in 2015.

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Careful, do not use the incredibly biased Mass Shooting Tracker often cited by Democrat politicians. That source is very creative in the types of incidents and even attempted incidents, whether public or private, and whether they result in injury (or even actual shootings) or not, it considers Mass Shootings. For example, at the same time Debbie Wasserman Schultz a few weeks ago was claiming there had already been 300 mass shootings in 2015, the more accurate USA Today tracker was citing a much, much lower number in line with recent years.

grandmastapoop;842584517 said:

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An amazing straw man argument. I made and implied no policy suggestion. I was replying to an asinine argument and noting my gratitude that this assailant did not himself have a gun.

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The only asinine comment in this thread is yours, my friend.

Guys, what I think Wife/furd was questioning specifically is why the increase in campus violence. Going strictly off my fading memory, as noted Charlie Whitman aside, these do seem to be increasing in number rapidly or is there some data to the contrary? If the issue is why more campus violence, I do not think the answer lies in the standard gun control debate. There is something going terribly wrong with too many of our young people and the cause is a likely blend of numerous factors - any one of which would trigger a long debate on this board. Suffice it to say, the world is messed up and we are too fractured, self absorbed, and lacking in vision or leadership to deal with it.

slotright20;842584542 said:

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Guys, what I think Wife/furd was questioning specifically is why the increase in campus violence. Going strictly off my fading memory, as noted Charlie Whitman aside, these do seem to be increasing in number rapidly or is there some data to the contrary? If the issue is why more campus violence, I do not think the answer lies in the standard gun control debate. There is something going terribly wrong with too many of our young people and the cause is a likely blend of numerous factors - any one of which would trigger a long debate on this board. Suffice it to say, the world is messed up and we are too fractured, self absorbed, and lacking in vision or leadership to deal with it.

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Is there data showing a rapidly increasing number of violent crimes inside &/or outside campuses?

[URL="https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/violent-crime/violent-crime-topic-page/violentcrimemain_final"][U]FBI Violent Crime stats in the U.S.[/U][/URL]

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;842584502 said:

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[URL="http://www.boston.com/community/blogs/crime_punishment/2012/08/no_increase_in_mass_shootings.html"][U]No Increase in Mass Shootings[/U][/URL]And according to [URL="http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/"][U]Pew Research Center[/U][/URL], the gun homicide rate is down 49% since 1993. This decreased rate has happened at the same time the number of firearms in the U.S. has increased from 192 million in 1994 to 350+ million today. And [URL="http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/CPRC-Mass-Shooting-Analysis-Bloomberg2.pdf"]~[U]92% of mass public shootings[/U][/URL] between Jan. 2009 and July 2014 occurred in "Gun-Free Zones." These mass shooters are cowards and most often go to where they know they won't find armed resistance. If they do find armed resistance, they often kill themselves in response. Please do not publically advertise your places of business, schools, arenas of entertainment, places of worship, shopping centers, etc., as a "gun-free zone" which is painting a target on your backs.

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Mass shootings have tripled since 2010 so your outdated graphs ending in 2010 appropriately supports your outdated beliefs.

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;842584502 said:

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[URL="http://www.boston.com/community/blogs/crime_punishment/2012/08/no_increase_in_mass_shootings.html"][U]No Increase in Mass Shootings
[/U][/URL]




And according to [URL="http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/"][U]Pew Research Center[/U][/URL], the gun homicide rate is down 49% since 1993. This decreased rate has happened at the same time the number of firearms in the U.S. has increased from 192 million in 1994 to 350+ million today.


And [URL="http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/CPRC-Mass-Shooting-Analysis-Bloomberg2.pdf"]~[U]92% of mass public shootings[/U][/URL] between Jan. 2009 and July 2014 occurred in "Gun-Free Zones." These mass shooters are cowards and most often go to where they know they won't find armed resistance. If they do find armed resistance, they often kill themselves in response. Please do not publically advertise your places of business, schools, arenas of entertainment, places of worship, shopping centers, etc., as a "gun-free zone" which is painting a target on your backs.

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I have always understood that violent crime goes up during and immediately following recessions (and correspondingly goes down during an economic upturn) for a wide variety of reasons: greater frustrations and anger among the population, greater drug use, less money to take advantage of other emotional outlets; less public money for crime prevention; etc.

Looks like your graph confirms that trend.

tommie317;842584509 said:

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Yea thanks for bringing in facts about guns and mass killings when there was no guns and mass killings involved, but yes thanks for the facts

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Huh? He wasn't the one who brought up guns in this thread. Read the thread again.

In before the move

slotright20;842584542 said:

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Guys, what I think Wife/furd was questioning specifically is why the increase in campus violence. Going strictly off my fading memory, as noted Charlie Whitman aside, these do seem to be increasing in number rapidly or is there some data to the contrary? If the issue is why more campus violence, I do not think the answer lies in the standard gun control debate. There is something going terribly wrong with too many of our young people and the cause is a likely blend of numerous factors - any one of which would trigger a long debate on this board. Suffice it to say, the world is messed up and we are too fractured, self absorbed, and lacking in vision or leadership to deal with it.

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Amen! Well said.

tommie317;842584581 said:

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Mass shootings have tripled since 2010 so your outdated graphs ending in 2010 appropriately supports your outdated beliefs.

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Completely false. Again, you are blindly relying on the extremely biased and inaccurate Shooting Index repeatedly cited by Democrat operatives which has been shown to include incidents of gang violence, attempts with no shootings, private home shootings, legitimate defensive firearm uses, etc. Read the Congressional Research Service's report http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44126.pdf which shows the facts from the latest available data (up to and including 2013). There you will see that the slight uptick for the five years between 2009-2013 was due to the Aurora and Sandy Hook incidents of 2012. 2012 was an uptick similar to those of the continuously zigzagging 1st chart above. An unusual, rare uptick does not show a pattern. We don't say Norway has an "epidemic" because of the 2011 attack.

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;842584594 said:

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Completely false. Again, you are blindly relying on the extremely biased and inaccurate Shooting Index repeatedly cited by Democrat operatives which has been shown to include incidents of gang violence, attempts with no shootings, private home shootings, legitimate defensive firearm uses, etc. Read the Congressional Research Service's report http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44126.pdf which shows the facts from the latest available data (up to and including 2013). There you will see that the slight uptick for the five years between 2009-2013 was due to the Aurora and Sandy Hook incidents of 2012. 2012 was an uptick similar to those of the continuously zigzagging 1st chart above. An unusual, rare uptick does not show a pattern. We don't say Norway has an "epidemic" because of the 2011 attack.

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Nope, I'm citing Ronald Reagan and Ayn Rand. Is that better?And Jesus

tommie317;842584595 said:

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Nope, I'm citing Ronald Reagan and Ayn Rand. Is that better?And Jesus

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wifeisafurd;842584472 said:

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this time five stabbed at UC Merced. There have been a rash of these types of events lately on US campuses. The college campus used to be a safe haven (or maybe it wasn't and we have more news coverage today), but outside of that horrible tragedy at the UT tower, I just don't recall the mass number of multiple killings until the last five to ten years, and now it seems like a weekly item. What gives?

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Prayers for all involved.

This will not get better until there is legislation passed to curb incidents like these.

Dark Reverie;842584601 said:

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This will not get better until there is legislation passed to curb incidents like these.

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Sorry, what legislation that is not already on the books would have curbed this incident? Can you specify details?

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;842584622 said:

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Sorry, what legislation that is not already on the books would have curbed this incident? Can you specify details?

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The National Knife Association will kill any legislation

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;842584622 said:

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Sorry, what legislation that is not already on the books would have curbed this incident? Can you specify details?

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Nothing. But you need baby steps when the ultimate goal is to abolish the 2nd amendment.

tommie317;842584625 said:

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The National Knife Association will kill any legislation

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That's pretty funny

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;842584622 said:

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Sorry, what legislation that is not already on the books would have curbed this incident? Can you specify details?

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Ban knives. Nobody needs a pointy knife.

pingpong2;842584629 said:

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Ban knives. Nobody needs a pointy knife.

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I can kill a man with a butter knife. I recommend a Williams Sonoma as you can do 3-4 people before they bend.