Missouri Football Players Boycott

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Rushinbear
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pierrezo;842590032 said:

- doesn't matter who he is - the racism and danger to students is real and he affected change. If Rosa was a 1%er, wouldn't matter - her goal was just.

- she crossed the line and is paying the price.

- young, immature dude who got too excited over rumors and social media.

- of course there are jokers. No movement is perfect. These are the stories that make great news. On the whole, the movement is just and it is succeeding.


Rhetoric won't do it. The media jumped on the UVA rape story only to have it disproved. Nonetheless, the protestors and media insisted that while it didn't happen there, "everyone knows it's happening all over the country."

It looks like the "movement" wants episodes to happen and, when they don't, they make them happen so as to give a pretext for their real intent - radical change, justified or not.

It used to be that kids were vetted before being accepted into an accredited four year college. With the democratization of college, merit flies out the window, both for acceptance and retention. High schools are now better able to maintain order than colleges. And, the colleges have no one to blame but themselves for having put up with phony curricula, phony faculty (like that "courtesy professor" or whatever they call that woman who "called in the muscle" on that student reporter) and cowardly and overpaid admins.

Let's let the law and judicial system decide these cases and confine free speech to speech.
1979bear
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I don't much care about what does or doesn't happen at Missouri. But the resignation of the president must mean there is a mess there. I can't see the president resigning because of a protest unless the claims were true. So he needed to leave, and did. And the thread is eight pages. It could have been one and more than covered the subject.
oski003
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1979bear;842590195 said:

I don't much care about what does or doesn't happen at Missouri. But the resignation of the president must mean there is a mess there. I can't see the president resigning because of a protest unless the claims were true. So he needed to leave, and did. And the thread is eight pages. It could have been one and more than covered the subject.


Reminds me of how only defendants that are guilty take plea bargains.
bearsandgiants
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maybe his family was threatened. his speech sounded like it was prepared by someone else, and not someone on his staff. it came off like "say this, or else x,y,z is going to happen."it was just too weird. too fast.
slotright20
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I understand there are protests all over the nation today on campuses. Two of the demands are free tuition and cancellation of student debt. Anyone willing to re-think whether the right move at Mizzou was to roll over?
1979bear
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I empathize with some of the kids even though I came out of school with almost no debt because I worked, and took time off between college and law school. Student loans even then were unattractive. Take the schools with highest default rates, close them. Forgive debts of their students. Seize the school's assets to make up for some of the losses. The idiotic suggestion that every person should go to college or grad school has always been preposterous. These kids should be given financial training in high school. Far fewer would go for the loans.
beelzebear
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^^^ I worked during school as well...but it was at a time when fees were like $1,200 per year. That was manageable. Today, wages haven't gone up but fees and tuition has. I got out with like $3,600 in loans for 4 years. Today the average is $29k after graduation...that's a lot more. That's creeps into down payment for a house land (well in some parts)...or new car prices.
sycasey
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slotright20;842590416 said:

I understand there are protests all over the nation today on campuses. Two of the demands are free tuition and cancellation of student debt. Anyone willing to re-think whether the right move at Mizzou was to roll over?


Those demands are probably not going to be met, but that said . . .

Tuition costs and student loans are out of control. Their concerns are valid. If it takes protests to help people see it, then so be it.
gobears725
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slotright20;842590416 said:

I understand there are protests all over the nation today on campuses. Two of the demands are free tuition and cancellation of student debt. Anyone willing to re-think whether the right move at Mizzou was to roll over?


FWIW though i dont think that the protests over racism at Mizzou and the protests going on at many college campuses concerning student debt are not very much related. Normally I would completely agree with you, that its completely irresponsible to give into the demands of the student population if you are the university president, however, the problems with racism in that region have been very bad over the last couple years. i think it was irresponsible of Mizzou's president and administration to not show more empathy and be more willing to hear the students out at a sooner time considering that racial tensions are very bad right now in that region. highly emotional time there and he didnt do much to relax peoples emotions.
okaydo
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gobears725;842590535 said:

FWIW though i dont think that the protests over racism at Mizzou and the protests going on at many college campuses concerning student debt are very much related. Normally I would completely agree with you, that its completely irresponsible to give into the demands of the student population if you are the university president, however, the problems with racism in that region have been very bad over the last couple years. i think it was irresponsible of Mizzou's president and administration to not show more empathy and be more willing to hear the students out at a sooner time considering that racial tensions are very bad right now in that region. highly emotional time there and he didnt do much to relax peoples emotions.


I totally agree.

For instance, I think the "Dirks is a racist" protests went too far, but what happened at Mizzou was legit.
socaliganbear
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BTW: MANY of those protesting right now are not students. Or young for that matter.
okaydo
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socaliganbear;842590554 said:

BTW: MANY of those protesting right now are not students. Or young for that matter.


There have been a lot of non-student mass protests on the Cal campus recently. There was the Berkeley High protest over the racist threat. Then a few days ago, there were middle schoolers protesting in Sproul.
sycasey
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gobears725;842590535 said:

FWIW though i dont think that the protests over racism at Mizzou and the protests going on at many college campuses concerning student debt are very much related. Normally I would completely agree with you, that its completely irresponsible to give into the demands of the student population if you are the university president, however, the problems with racism in that region have been very bad over the last couple years. i think it was irresponsible of Mizzou's president and administration to not show more empathy and be more willing to hear the students out at a sooner time considering that racial tensions are very bad right now in that region. highly emotional time there and he didnt do much to relax peoples emotions.


The Missouri president could not have been more tone-deaf in his responses to the students. For that alone he deserved to lose his job.
 
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