He is currently 0-9 (corrected) against in-state opponents, and in his 3rd year has a bowl team. But when does the administration finally cut him lose? If we crash out this year to 6-7, does the extension go out the window along with him? If not, when?

Next year when he is 0-16 against in-state opponents?

Next year when we have a losing season?

Maybe he get a few more years to do the same?

Or does he get to stick around as long as our guys graduate, regardless of on-field performance?

Should have been fired after year 1. He will inexplicably get another year, though.

Strykur;842598067 said:

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He is currently 0-12 against in-state opponents, and in his 3rd year has a bowl team. But when does the administration finally cut him lose? If we crash out this year to 6-7, does the extension go out the window along with him? If not, when?

Next year when he is 0-16 against in-state opponents?

Next year when we have a losing season?

Maybe he get a few more years to do the same?

Or does he get to stick around as long as our guys graduate, regardless of on-field performance?

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(You mean 0-9 by the way )

Hate to say it, but how he gets fired is you stop buying tickets

He'll get fired if he gets accused of microagression.

OaktownBear;842598077 said:

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(You mean 0-9 by the way )

Hate to say it, but how he gets fired is you stop buying tickets

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Technically he's 1-9 (SDSU).

Go 1-11 instead of 3-9

If he can get us to a bowl game next year, and we look somewhat promising for the future I'd keep him; otherwise, I'd start over. The jury is still out in my opinion; but if they voted now he'd be out.

He gets fired when the donors get embarrassed, whatever the hell that means.
Unfortunately the donors are not really embarrassed by these type of games.

pappysghost;842598116 said:

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If he can get us to a bowl game next year, and we look somewhat promising for the future I'd keep him; otherwise, I'd start over. The jury is still out in my opinion; but if they voted now he'd be out.

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We don't have to wait for 4 years to have a jury vote.
A coach should only get 1 year free pass, after that the "jury" votes every year.

Sorry to say, but Dykes is not a good pac12 team. I have not liked him since his first year because he is not able to adapt and be creative, plus he just doesn't have the gonuts to go for it when needed.....example, why not go for it when there was six minutes left, we are down by more than two touchdowns be he instead kicks it....at that moment, I decided to turn off game.....we need change, dyke and his crew are just a mediocre coaches. Other coaches do a lot more with what they have, even if there talent isn't as good as us, but that is because they are good, and not mediocre.

heartofthebear;842598123 said:

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He gets fired when the donors get embarrassed, whatever the hell that means.
Unfortunately the donors are not really embarrassed by these type of games.

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How can anyone not be embarrassed by surrender?

OaktownBear;842598143 said:

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How can anyone not be embarrassed by surrender?

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i dunno. its so outragous, it makes me laugh. when the going gets tough, quit

OaktownBear;842598143 said:

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How can anyone not be embarrassed by surrender?

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You're asking the wrong person but I'm sure most of the donors think that Dykes has closed the gap against furd because we only lost by 13. Never mind that the spread was 11 because I'm sure we'll win next year at this rate. Oh yeah right, with a first year starter at QB and major attrition on a DL that, as it is, doesn't rush the passer.

heartofthebear;842598152 said:

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You're asking the wrong person but I'm sure most of the donors think that Dykes has closed the gap against furd because we only lost by 13. Never mind that the spread was 11 because I'm sure we'll win next year at this rate. Oh yeah right, with a first year starter at QB and major attrition on a DL that, as it is, doesn't rush the passer.

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it says too much about dykes' personality. any smart AD would can him immediately. hes a quitter and we'll always lose with his leadership. quite frankly sonny dykes is not a leader.

Cal is a loser program with most of the fans being ok with it, and most of the donors ok with **** like winning the 3rd quarter against your "rival."

Nothing gets Dykes fired if the fans don't change their attitude of "losing is ok"

How can you tell that the attitude is "losing is ok?" Season ticket prices won't be less next year. Cal will draw roughly the same number of fans.

Cal will suck until we stop accepting bad football.

Query: if Dykes drops the TFS, how does that impact your views?

wifeisafurd;842598173 said:

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Query: if Dykes drops the TFS, how does that impact your views?

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Too late. There is no infinite number of chances.

wifeisafurd;842598173 said:

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Query: if Dykes drops the TFS, how does that impact your views?

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none dykes showed his true colors today. he'd probably be a good OC or position coach but hes not a good leader of men.

francisco2525;842598130 said:

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Sorry to say, but Dykes is not a good pac12 team. I have not liked him since his first year because he is not able to adapt and be creative, plus he just doesn't have the gonuts to go for it when needed.....example, why not go for it when there was six minutes left, we are down by more than two touchdowns be he instead kicks it....at that moment, I decided to turn off game.....we need change, dyke and his crew are just a mediocre coaches. Other coaches do a lot more with what they have, even if there talent isn't as good as us, but that is because they are good, and not mediocre.

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Punting there was what Tedford used to do and one of the reasons I thought he needed to move on for a more aggressive/smarter coach--people complain about a lot of things that I think are unreasonable--but that was one that I was very disappointed in Dykes. We had just gone for it on 4th on the previous possession, right? That situation was like an onside kick, sure the odds of making it are low, but it is your best chance to win the game (within your control). You just have to go for it--though I'm sure if he did and we failed and Stanford scored again his critics would have piled on for that--but who cares? Most of his worst critics didn't like him from the start. Just go for it.

However, let me be the first to predict we have a better record and we regain the Axe next year.

wifeisafurd;842598173 said:

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Query: if Dykes drops the TFS, how does that impact your views?

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I don't know why you think Franklin is a problem. The offense moved the football great today.

It was Dykes's constant cowardice on 4th and short that killed our chances at victory. You're not beating the Trees with field goals.

Sonny coached the entire game not to be blown out. He got another two score loss and can justify "upward trends" for his contract negotiations.

wifeisafurd;842598173 said:

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Query: if Dykes drops the TFS, how does that impact your views?

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Between the two, I think I prefer Franklin, though I wish his offense was less of a system (more creativity). I'd like to see us be able to put a jumbo offense on the field with blocking TEs (McMorris is a weapon we need to utilize as part of the regular offense) as a change up.

wifeisafurd;842598173 said:

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Query: if Dykes drops the TFS, how does that impact your views?

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Are we bringing in Mouse Davis?

This is his offense. He's always run Air Raid. He was hired to run Air Raid. I'm going to keep an Air Raid coach around to run a new offense he has never run before? He will be worse running anything else.

Beside, is not kicking onside in that situation part of the Tony Franklin System? I used to think Franklin ran plays with no intention of winning just to pad stats for the System, but he doesn't make special teams calls.

There is no going back from a Big Game surrender. Most unforgivable thing that has been done here.

Strykur;842598067 said:

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He is currently 0-9 (corrected) against in-state opponents, and in his 3rd year has a bowl team. But when does the administration finally cut him lose? If we crash out this year to 6-7, does the extension go out the window along with him? If not, when?

Next year when he is 0-16 against in-state opponents?

Next year when we have a losing season?

Maybe he get a few more years to do the same?

Or does he get to stick around as long as our guys graduate, regardless of on-field performance?

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The sunshine pumpers and mods will be gushing over a 7-5 season.

LessMilesMoreTedford;842598191 said:

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I don't know why you think Franklin is a problem. The offense moved the football great today.

It was Dykes's constant cowardice on 4th and short that killed our chances at victory. You're not beating the Trees with field goals.

Sonny coached the entire game not to be blown out. He got another two score loss and can justify "upward trends" for his contract negotiations.

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As a multi-millionaire donor, just the fact that we were within 5 points of the No. 11 team in the country in the 4th quarter really impressed me. It showed that we've made a lot of progress. Which is why I'm going to help fund a 7-year extension for Coach Dykes.

Deep inside Texans harbor things they are ashamed of- the Battle of Village Creek where the wholesale slaughter of the huge Caddo Confederation of peaceful Indians - the Waco, the Waxahachie, Tonkawa, Wichita , etc. began. ( there is a beautiful little park there but people stay away, you go once , read what happened there and you know that ground is stained with innocent blood and you never want to go back there again). Anyway you are ashamed by the racism, and by what has and is being done to the land and resources. Million gallons of invaluable fresh water for one
gas well? You knocked down that magnificent oak tree under which so many baptisms, weddings , and funerals were conducted for a cheesy strip center. But there is one thing you do not do because if you did it, it is shameful - personally shameful. You do not quit. You saw that in Austin this year. You saw that in Norman last night.

I literally was turning it off because the play calling and lack of urgency signaled surrender, when they cut it to 35-22. Then the ensuing kickoff- no onside kick? And then you think of the fgs - taken collectively ( and the first two individually are defensible). Sonny was coaching to keep it close. He was coaching to make it look acceptable. Lot of yards for not many points. The team did not quit, but he effectively did. Done with him. Disgraceful. Out. Would fire him this morning, well not on a Sunday but would fire him at midnight.

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I literally was turning it off because the play calling and lack of urgency signaled surrender, when they cut it to 35-22. Then the ensuing kickoff- no onside kick? And then you think of the fgs - taken collectively ( and the first two individually are defensible). Sonny was coaching to keep it close. He was coaching to make it look acceptable. Lot of yards for not many points.

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As strange as it sounds, I can't blame Dykes for the above. Put yourself in his shoes....you're a WAC coach who inexplicably gets hired into a Pac-12 job when none of the other BCS-conference schools have (or ever will) show interest, and it immediately becomes clear you're in over your head. What would you do? The answer: try to hang on to it by any means necessary. The pay and prestige are a lot higher in the Pac-12 than in the WAC. It doesn't make sense to step down voluntarily no matter how bad things get.

It's not on Dykes, it's on the administrators and donors who can't see this crap for what it is.

wifeisafurd;842598173 said:

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Query: if Dykes drops the TFS, how does that impact your views?

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Dykes won't, TFS is absolute for him ... but Dykes is responsible for thinking that repeated three points is an equalizer to repeated seven points, and Dykes is responsible for his prolonged temper tantrums, which had zero (or negative) chance to "correct the refs".

Query: if you came into a large windfall, win the lottery or get a Nobel, what would you tell Williams about your willingness to donate it all, if Williams ...?

OaktownBear;842598077 said:

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(You mean 0-9 by the way )

Hate to say it, but how he gets fired is you stop buying tickets

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This!

I will sit out the ASU game and whatever bowl game we play. I will also sit out next year too. Just took up fly fishing. A good El Nino year should get the water levels healthy. I will also do a lot more Yinyasa yoga on Saturdays. Namaste ya'all.

He will get fired when he bottoms out. Like we always do with coaches. Then we'll start the next guy with bottom barrel talent and excuse him when he pulls a Sonny in year 1. Rinse, repeat.

socaliganbear;842598247 said:

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He will get fired when he bottoms out. Like we always do with coaches. Then we'll start the next guy with bottom barrel talent and excuse him when he pulls a Sonny in year 1. Rinse, repeat.

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Exactly! Very sad. Might as well just get a no-name d2 motivational guy for 500k of we're just gonna do this every few years.

Strykur;842598067 said:

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He is currently 0-9 (corrected) against in-state opponents, and in his 3rd year has a bowl team. But when does the administration finally cut him lose? If we crash out this year to 6-7, does the extension go out the window along with him? If not, when?

Next year when he is 0-16 against in-state opponents?

Next year when we have a losing season?

Maybe he get a few more years to do the same?

Or does he get to stick around as long as our guys graduate, regardless of on-field performance?

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This is how we ended up with Dykes in the first place: $$$. Not enough of it. We didn't offer a high enough salary to interest top coaches (especially with high academic standards) and we don't offer enough to interest top assistants. Sandy, that fount of football knowledge, picked from among a mediocre lot (further narrowed by the thought of working for her). Sadly, it appears that Williams mirrors her fb intellect.

Now, we're faced with our periodic dilemma - having not been able to afford top coaching, we must come up with big $$$ if we want to start over...and, still, we'll be offering the same mediocre package. Rinse, repeat.

I have to believe that talk of canning Dykes is just blowing off steam, unless someone(s) is prepared to step up with multimillions over a period of years to upgrade the program enough to make a difference.

I'm bitterly disappointed, too. I'm most disappointed in the potential of the program. It is clear that TFS/Vert Set has reached its maximum and top recruits will recognize that. Without a major change in some area, 50/50 seasons, +/-, will be about what we can expect.

The only possibility within the current strategy would be to mine the JCs much more heavily. You see them play at a higher level. They're more mature. They've gotten their academics sorted out better (are there separate academic standards for their acceptance?). Granted, fewer top hs kids go JC than 20 years ago, but fewer colleges seem to be concentrating on them (KSU has always done so). You'd have to shirt just about every one of them, but you don't expect most of our hs recruits to be ready for significant contributions until their jr years, anyway. If you structured it and became known among JC players as the place to go, it could be done. Hell, hasn't Cal aimed to shift to a jr/sr year school, academically? Just trying to get in synch with the Chancellor's objectives.

I really hope Mike Williams was just stalling with his supposed contract negotiations to see how the rest of the season goes.

Forget the offensive and defensive systems. If our team blocks and tackles and rushes the passer and plays special teams on par with the better opponents then he stays. I don't care if he runs the TFS or the Houston Veer.

wifeisafurd;842598173 said:

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Query: if Dykes drops the TFS, how does that impact your views?

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This is really our only hope. Maybe Mike Williams is really a sneaky bastard who (as an ex wrestler) is disgusted with our soft, ineffective approach to football and is working behind the scenes to raise enough money to hire a competitive coaching staff (not just a head coach). Ok, I can dream can't I?

SFBear2012;842598287 said:

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I really hope Mike Williams was just stalling with his supposed contract negotiations to see how the rest of the season goes.

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I'm gonna join you in that dream cause I'm tired of feeling like s**t about our program. I'm gonna fool myself into believing this plan is in motion...,,
Boy, it's gonna be great when we get a top notch coach with top notch assistants who can recruit out of their minds and Memorial Stadium will be full with the crowd booming as we gash the Stanfurd defense with 10 yard runs behind our road-grading offensive line in the 4th quarter of the Big Game....... Aaaaaaaaahhhh, that's better.