"I watch a ton of college football, and he is by far the top professional prototype quarterback in the country. There's nobody that has his tools to play at the next level." (From Jeff Faraudo's article in today.'a CC Times)

Paws being positive about Cal football? Shocking. The mere fact that he says 'nobody' has the tools that Goff has makes me discount his opinion as his usual sugary sweet spin on everything Cal football. Sort of like how Aaron Rodgers still thinks Tedford should be coaching Cal football.

I agree with him. Resurrect this thread a few years from now and I will formally apologize to you if he is a bust.

82gradDLSdad;842602353 said:

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Paws being positive about Cal football? Shocking. The mere fact that he says 'nobody' has the tools that Goff has makes me discount his opinion as his usual sugary sweet spin on everything Cal football. Sort of like how Aaron Rodgers still thinks Tedford should be coaching Cal football.

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So if I am reading you correctly anything that Paws says about any Cal player you ignore? When did you play at the NCAA level and pro football?

bearister;842602348 said:

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"I watch a ton of college football, and he is by far the top professional prototype quarterback in the country. There's nobody that has his tools to play at the next level." (From Jeff Faraudo's article in today.'a CC Times)

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I think he's probably right. Probably as opposed to definitely because objectively speaking, I haven't been super impressed with what he's been doing since Utah. However, Paws would be slightly biased. That said, I hope the NFL is a perfect fit for him. I think he can be great.

I really have a hard time understanding people on this site who slam Goff. The kid is the heart and soul of this team. He isn't perfect or the best there ever was, but he's far ahead of whoever is second. I've enjoyed watching him for three years and appreciate the exceptional skills he brought to Cal. It's too bad others don't feel the same. I wish he would stay another year, but it's hard to turn down the riches that await him.

bearister;842602359 said:

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I agree with him. Resurrect this thread a few years from now and I will formally apologize to you if he is a bust.

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+1 My only concern is that he seems to lose his temper quite a bit...I've seen him yelling at the refs on multiple occasions. I hope he is just overly competitive and not emotionally fragile.

cbadbear;842602440 said:

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+1 My only concern is that he seems to lose his temper quite a bit...I've seen him yelling at the refs on multiple occasions. I hope he is just overly competitive and not emotionally fragile.

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We could have used him at the Cal basketball game last night.

I'm not slamming Goff and I'm not saying he will be a bust. I think any reasonable person would say he has a decent chance to be a decent NFL QB. That's it. To say that 'nobody' has the tools to play as well in the NFL as Goff seems like an overstatement to me. And given what I've heard from Paws and Starkey this year I do take his Cal football opinions with a grain of salt. But good for all of you to read into my comment a bunch of stuff I didn't write.

bearister;842602359 said:

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I agree with him. Resurrect this thread a few years from now and I will formally apologize to you if he is a bust.

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Who in this thread has slammed Goff?

6bear6;842602416 said:

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I really have a hard time understanding people on this site who slam Goff. The kid is the heart and soul of this team. He isn't perfect or the best there ever was, but he's far ahead of whoever is second. I've enjoyed watching him for three years and appreciate the exceptional skills he brought to Cal. It's too bad others don't feel the same. I wish he would stay another year, but it's hard to turn down the riches that await him.

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Not ignore but rather allow for the usual exaggeration. And do you think watching, reading, studying, playing football for 50 years allows me to have an opinion on a player? Not saying it is better or worse than Paws. I haven't played as much football as Aaron Rodgers but I don't think Tedford should be our coach. You think Arod is right about his Tedford opinions?

bar20;842602372 said:

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So if I am reading you correctly anything that Paws says about any Cal player you ignore? When did you play at the NCAA level and pro football?

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bearister;842602359 said:

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I agree with him. Resurrect this thread a few years from now and I will formally apologize to you if he is a bust.

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Both could be true; Palawski carries water for Cal program and Goff is the real deal.

It sure would have been interesting to see Goff play in a pro set, with a good OL. I guess we'll see that in a year or so. Go Bears!

beelzebear;842602475 said:

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It sure would have been interesting to see Goff play in a pro set, with a good OL. I guess we'll see that in a year or so. Go Bears!

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My friend, remember that Tedford was no longer running a pro set--that ship sailed a long time ago. If Tedford had stayed Goff would have red-shirted. Our 2013 QB would likely have been Bradford--with the fans screaming for Kline. Kline would have likely started last year and this. Instead Goff has broken all the Cal records. His only injury came on a late hit cheap shot by Skov. I really think playing for Dykes and Franklin in this offense has been a huge godsend for Goff.

82gradDLSdad;842602453 said:

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Who in this thread has slammed Goff?

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You didn't know that's how BI rolls? On the hoop board I suggested that Jaylen would benefit from two years of college ball and the reaction was as if I had called Mother Teresa a whore.

Here are more Pawlawski quotes about Goff from the above mentioned Faraudo article that will drive the underwear knot deeper into the wedge of some BI community members:

"He is super smart and his arm talent ranks him with the likes of former fastball artists John Elway and Jeff George. He has the strongest arm of any Cal quarterback since Steve Bartkowski in the mid-1970s, including Aaron Rodgers."

In my opinion, with regard to Paw's "bias," since Paw was also a highly regarded Cal QB (in fact many on this board have opined he was better than Goff), and in light of the competitiveness that exists among athletes, you would expect Paw to be harder on Goff than a neutral evaluator.

82gradDLSdad;842602453 said:

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Who in this thread has slammed Goff?

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Not this thread, but one a week ago called "Jared Goff's Legacy" was about 10 to 1 anti-Goff posters.

Just my opinion, but NOBODY should be slamming Cal players on this site, unless they have done something off the field that reflects poorly on the team or university. Anybody who chose to come to Cal, puts in the work to excel in their sport and in the classroom, and puts on the blue and gold and steps into the arena deserves our full support.

Before anyone posts something here, ask yourself, would you say it to that player's face? Would you say it to their parent or relative? Would you want a a recruit to Cal athletics to read it?

I have no problem with critical analysis of Cal athletes. It is what makes the debates here fun. Nasty comments of a personal nature are always uncalled for. It's ok for people to think Goff will not succeed in the NFL just as it is ok for me to think he will. Any Cal athlete who reads this site and concludes anything other than that we are a bunch of frustrated jock numb nuts has a lot of toughening up to do.

Everything I post I'd say to someone's face. Hell, I have even posted my name on this site when someone mentioned that we only post anonymously and therefore tend to be more aggressive with our posts. I pay attention to that. I'd love to talk with Paws off the record. Maybe he is super positive about Cal by nature. That's ok. It just seems like everything he says is a bit over the top with respect to Cal and maybe that is because he works for them. I think Goff has a decent chance of being a starting QB in the NFL. That means I think he is one of the top 32 QBs in the world. If that's slamming someone then I'm confused. Maybe Paws made his statement because there does not appear to be that many NFL ready QBs this year in college. That would be fair. And maybe Goff is the best of an average bunch. It certainly doesn't mean he won't play well in the NFL. But to gush about him given his career at Cal and specifically after his performance this year just seems off to me. And man, arm strength like Elway!? I'm not seeing that. Elway had the strongest arm I've ever seen, not that that means much when it comes to QB play. Anyway, I really try to post things that I would say to someone face to face. About the only one I regret is when I posted that I thought Tedford was a dick after one of his gum-smacking, sunglass wearing interviews where he basically blew off the local reporters softball questions. I really did think he was acting like a dick but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't say that to his face. :-)

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Not this thread, but one a week ago called "Jared Goff's Legacy" was about 10 to 1 anti-Goff posters.

Just my opinion, but NOBODY should be slamming Cal players on this site, unless they have done something off the field that reflects poorly on the team or university. Anybody who chose to come to Cal, puts in the work to excel in their sport and in the classroom, and puts on the blue and gold and steps into the arena deserves our full support.

Before anyone posts something here, ask yourself, would you say it to that player's face? Would you say it to their parent or relative? Would you want a a recruit to Cal athletics to read it?

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I think use of the term "fastball artists" used by Paw in connection with the comparisons to Elway and George related more to velocity as opposed to deep balls.

bearister;842602359 said:

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I agree with him [Paws].

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I respectfully dissent.

bearister;842602359 said:

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Resurrect this thread a few years from now and I will formally apologize to you if he is a bust.

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Goff is holding a 9S-7H with the dealer showing a 10C in a negative deck.

However, once Goff is in the NFL, Paws should represent Goff as his agent for a new Isotoner commercial (a la Dan Marino style). The irony!

osono;842602548 said:

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I respectfully dissent.



Goff is holding a 9S-7H with the dealer showing a 10C in a negative deck.

However, once Goff is in the NFL, Paws should represent Goff as his agent for a new Isotoner commercial (a la Dan Marino style). The irony!

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I'm overruling your objection and granting the motion to have Future NFL Rock God status conferred on Mr. Goff.

bearister;842602553 said:

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I'm overruling your objection and granting the motion to have Future NFL Rock God status conferred on Mr. Goff.

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Petition for Writ of Mandate/Prohibition filed concurrently with request for temporary stay and injunction.

cbadbear;842602440 said:

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+1 My only concern is that he seems to lose his temper quite a bit...I've seen him yelling at the refs on multiple occasions. I hope he is just overly competitive and not emotionally fragile.

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Probably influenced by Sonny who spends too much time jawboning refs.

osono;842602556 said:

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Petition for Writ of Mandate/Prohibition filed concurrently with request for temporary stay and injunction.

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Military coup. Courts at all state and federal levels secured and locked down. Goff made Rock God by military decree and JoPa size statues of him erected throughout land. Justices Scalia and Thomas in rendition process. Bush/Cheney to appear before military tribunal for war crimes.

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My friend, remember that Tedford was no longer running a pro set--that ship sailed a long time ago. If Tedford had stayed Goff would have red-shirted. Our 2013 QB would likely have been Bradford--with the fans screaming for Kline. Kline would have likely started last year and this. Instead Goff has broken all the Cal records. His only injury came on a late hit cheap shot by Skov. I really think playing for Dykes and Franklin in this offense has been a huge godsend for Goff.

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Or, Tedford would have realized that he had his best QB since Rodgers and simplified his playbook to get him on the field early. (Remember how he had Kyle Boller read only half the field?) Why do you assume he would've handled a talent like Goff the same as non-talents like Bridgford and Kline? Especially when he had no problem playing guys like Keenan Allen as freshmen.

bearister;842602348 said:

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"I watch a ton of college football, and he is by far the top professional prototype quarterback in the country. There's nobody that has his tools to play at the next level." (From Jeff Faraudo's article in today.'a CC Times)

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I don't know what Pawlawski thinks of Paxton Lynch of Memphis, but I've been majorly impressed with him and don't think there is such a huge gap between Goff and everybody else ("by far"). It's a toss-up in some categories ("tools") between the two. For example, imo Lynch has the stronger arm throwing flat-footed and he can be very accurate on the run.

I'm also the same guy who raved about some junior named Russell Wilson at NC State and said Andy Dalton of TCU was NFL-caliber in some threads here years ago, but I highly respect Paw's opinion. I just think his usage of "by far" might be a slight exaggeration imo.

I'm curious what he thinks of Lynch, Mayfield of Oklahoma and maybe Baylor's starting QB. Travone Boykin of TCU with more weight may be a very decent pro as well.

Our Domicile;842602597 said:

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I don't know what Pawlawski thinks of Paxton Lynch of Memphis, but I've been majorly impressed with him and don't think there is such a huge gap between Goff and everybody else ("by far"). It's a toss-up in some categories ("tools") between the two. For example, imo Lynch has the stronger arm throwing flat-footed.

I'm also the same guy who raved about some junior named Russell Wilson at NC State and said Andy Dalton of TCU was NFL-caliber in some threads here years ago, but I highly respect Paw's opinion. I just think his usage of "by far" might be a slight exaggeration imo.

I'm curious what he thinks of Lynch, Mayfield of Oklahoma and maybe Baylor's starting QB. Travone Boykin of TCU with more weight may be a very decent pro as well.

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How much time to throw do those QB's have? Look what happened to Mr. Rosen today. Quite a different result than when he stood like the Statue of Liberty after every snap against us.

bearister;842602606 said:

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How much time to throw do those QB's have?

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Lynch has been running for his life at times, Boykin and Mayfield and the 2nd-string Baylor QB have been injured this year by pass-rushers at one time or another

I'm sure if they threw lollipops for INTs they would avoid the rush and survive the season though.

I'm only questioning the usage of "by far" by Pawlawski, that's all...or do you feel I'm treading on hallowed ground and insulting Golden idols of Cal Football?

Our Domicile;842602611 said:

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do you feel I'm treading on hallowed ground and insulting Golden idols of Cal Football?

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I actually think it constitutes a microaggression because it is a snub or insult, whether intentional or unintentional, which communicates hostile, derogatory, or negative messages to target persons based solely upon their marginalized group membership (Goff Worshipers).

beelzebear;842602475 said:

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It sure would have been interesting to see Goff play in a pro set, with a good OL. I guess we'll see that in a year or so. Go Bears!

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And a real TE.

bearister;842602503 said:

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"He is super smart and his arm talent ranks him with the likes of former fastball artists John Elway and Jeff George. He has the strongest arm of any Cal quarterback since Steve Bartkowski in the mid-1970s, including Aaron Rodgers."

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No way.

Aaron Rodgers has a cannon for an arm. Jared Goff doesn't have the same arm strength. Rodgers also zips it with a quick release, while Goff does not generate the same speed with a longer release.

Of course, based on pure arm strength, Kyle Boller may have had the strongest arm of them all, and just by that, he became a 1st round draft pick.

I like Goff and think he has done reasonably right by Cal Football. I do NOT think he will be a great NFL QB. The guys on Sunday take a HORRIFIC pounding even with the rule changes. Even with the added bulk this year I think Goff will get hurt early and often. My guess is that he signs big and is out of the league within 4. Sad but that is what it is.

bar20;842602372 said:

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So if I am reading you correctly anything that Paws says about any Cal player you ignore? When did you play at the NCAA level and pro football?

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Haha. As though MP having played football offsets that his job is to be a homer.Dude might be right, but discounting his opinion because he is a homer is not absurd.

6bear6;842602416 said:

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I really have a hard time understanding people on this site who slam Goff. The kid is the heart and soul of this team. He isn't perfect or the best there ever was, but he's far ahead of whoever is second. I've enjoyed watching him for three years and appreciate the exceptional skills he brought to Cal. It's too bad others don't feel the same. I wish he would stay another year, but it's hard to turn down the riches that await him.

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Always happens when someone proclaims a human the Messiah, and he turns out to be human. Easily avoided if he was judged as Goff as opposed to being judged as the best ever.

BunzOfAnarchy;842602579 said:

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Or, Tedford would have realized that he had his best QB since Rodgers and simplified his playbook to get him on the field early. (Remember how he had Kyle Boller read only half the field?) Why do you assume he would've handled a talent like Goff the same as non-talents like Bridgford and Kline? Especially when he had no problem playing guys like Keenan Allen as freshmen.

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Non talents?Jesus. This Goff is great discussion has jumped the shark.