AFA will be looking for revenge after we took out their star QB in the last meeting!

oldblue83;842611926 said:

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The payout for this game sucks. $675K. San Jose St is in the Cure Bowl in Orlando, which would probably be a lot more fun for the players, and it pays $1,350K. Cactus pays $3,350K. We got scummed again....

http://www.statisticbrain.com/college-bowl-game-payouts/

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Don't you have to share it with the rest of the Pac-12?

We will just subtract the payout difference between the cactus and armed forces bowl from sonny's extension

tommie317;842611932 said:

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We will just subtract the payout difference between the cactus and armed forces bowl from sonny's extension

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And then he'll pay us to coach

I think they do revenue sharing. Not sure exactly what the model is, but regardless, it will cost us money which we need to be more competitive.

Um, wasn't Riley 21 for 23 or something crazy like that?

TouchedTheAxeIn82;842611930 said:

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AFA will be looking for revenge after we took out their star QB in the last meeting!

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Met a couple from Texas a few years ago and one of their sons played DE for AFA and sacked "a pretty famous Cal QB (Longshore or Riley?!?) in a bowl game". They seemed more upset with Cal because another son was a diver on a Texas team that the Bears beat for an NCAA title.

What a lame bowl. Why do we always get shafted. A game against any bowl eligible p5 school would have been ok.

heartofthebear;842611862 said:

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This probably the only starting time where I will miss the whole game.
I get off work at 2:20 and get home at 3.
F************ck

Maybe I can hear the tail end of it on my car radio driving home.
And hopefully the pac-12 net. or ESPN will have it on streamed on replay.

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There are these things called DVRs.

They are really wonderful things.

I know people like to watch football games live, but when you DVR them to watch a few hours later, you can skip the commercials, and not miss a thing.

Right now, I'm DVRing the Carolina Panthers game that started 2 hours ago.

I'll start watching it in half an hour, and I'll be done with the whole game in 90 minutes.

DVRs are wonderful things.

Again, I know some people love to watch live...but nobody's going to be spoiling the Armed Forces Bowl score for you, hopefully.

SFBear2012;842611971 said:

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A game against any bowl eligible p5 school would have been ok.

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To do that next year or anytime in the future, we need to win 8 games in the regular season, which means we need to beat one of the contending teams.

In other words, if you want to face real competition in a bowl, you need to demonstrate the talent and coaching to compete at that level during the regular season. We haven't, and we're not. Sounds fair.

bar20;842611916 said:

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No mention of Goff? I hate this Bowl! We should have taken the one in Hawaii. AF got beat by SDS who we beat by what 25 points?

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The difference is that SDSU ran the table. They started 1-3 and then ran off 9 wins in a row and won the Mountain West. And Air Force ran on them with that option of theirs even tho the Aztecs have like the #5 or 6th run defense in the country. And a 10-3 record is visually more appealing than ours.

oldblue83;842611926 said:

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The payout for this game sucks. $675K. San Jose St is in the Cure Bowl in Orlando, which would probably be a lot more fun for the players, and it pays $1,350K. Cactus pays $3,350K. We got scummed again....

http://www.statisticbrain.com/college-bowl-game-payouts/

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SJSU will be getting another "bowl game" pay day in a few years. Signed a home and home with Cal and the first game will be in Berkeley with the second game in SJ a few years later. Cal's AD will probably give SJSU the buyout check before they get back to the locker room after the game in Berkeley.

TouchedTheAxeIn82;842611929 said:

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Isn't bowl revenue distributed equally among all conference members?

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It is, but team expenses are an ambiguity. Since this is not a P12 contracted game, will the conference help out if cal rins a deficit? Expenses are often around million. For the big bowls a team can blow 2 mil or so and still get that covered. Another issue is that teams are contractually required to buy a set number of hotel rooms and tickets. Not sure of the conference helps cover if those aren't met.

Boot;842611877 said:

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Interesting matchup since we can't stop the run.

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You mean as opposed to excelling at stopping the pass?

510Bear;842611976 said:

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To do that next year or anytime in the future, we need to win 8 games in the regular season, which means we need to beat one of the contending teams.

In other words, if you want to face real competition in a bowl, you need to demonstrate the talent and coaching to compete at that level during the regular season. We haven't, and we're not. Sounds fair.

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Well this year ASU at 6 and 6 is playing West Virginia. That would have been a much more interesting game.

okaydo;842611975 said:

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There are these things called DVRs.

They are really wonderful things.

I know people like to watch football games live, but when you DVR them to watch a few hours later, you can skip the commercials, and not miss a thing.

Right now, I'm DVRing the Carolina Panthers game that started 2 hours ago.

I'll start watching it in half an hour, and I'll be done with the whole game in 90 minutes.

DVRs are wonderful things.

Again, I know some people love to watch live...but nobody's going to be spoiling the Armed Forces Bowl score for you, hopefully.

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I'm pretty sure those only work if you have TV service.
I usually watch/live stream it off the internet in various ways.

Do you know which network is broadcasting the game?

Apparently you can free stream the game immediately after it is over on ESPN3 starting at 2:30 pm.
At least that is what is scheduled on their "watch ESPN" schedule for that day.http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index#type/upcoming/sport/football/


Note: The link above does not go directly to the right date.
You have to select it on the little calender.

Yes! I'm in! See you in Ft Worth! Go Bears!

If we 'stop' the option as well as we did the last time we played an option team (@ Nevada Reno) there will be a lot of screaming around my house. I really don't want to see 3 Cal Bears take the dive back and no one take the QB. And then have our DC tell us that he [U]tried[/U] to get his LBs to take the QB and not go for the dive back. Just sheer coaching and playing genius I tell you. Maybe Art will have better luck with this technique: "Hey, if you don't take the QB I will take you...out of the game". I'm already starting to get worked up.

Recruit like hell in Dallas, Texas and invite recruits to the bowl game?

what is Fort Worth like?
any things to see/do for the team?

This is from Yahoo sports. Yikes.

33. Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl (Dec. 29, Fort Worth, Texas) California (7-5) vs. Air Force (8-5)

Cal is playing in its first bowl game since 2011, but much of the focus has been on coach Sonny Dykes, who is seemingly doing anything to get out of Berkeley. So who knows if he'll be around to coach against the Mountain West runner-ups, but at the very least we'll get to see QB Jared Goff in what's probably his final game.

OldenBear;842611917 said:

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I think MANY people mis-remember the Air Force game in 07. Had their quarterback not gone down with an injury (Shaun Carney, if I remember right - and I think that's who you're thinking of, tc) we would have lost. Cal's defense couldn't stop their option offense. And yes, Riley had a good day coming off the bench - but not a great day. Again, Cal was lucky to have won - I was there.

Take a look

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That's not how I remember it at all. I recall Air Force's option runs were beginning to get stuffed every play starting about the same time Riley came in, early second quarter. Carney getting injured just settled the issue, late 3rd quarter. And I think Cal may have started the game with a 4-3 defense, but then switched to a 3-4 about the same time the defense started stopping those options. And as I recall Cal kept using the 3-4 as a base defense starting in 2008 (they were mostly 4-3 in 2007).

OldenBear;842611917 said:

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I think MANY people mis-remember the Air Force game in 07. Had their quarterback not gone down with an injury (Shaun Carney, if I remember right - and I think that's who you're thinking of, tc) we would have lost. Cal's defense couldn't stop their option offense. And yes, Riley had a good day coming off the bench - but not a great day. Again, Cal was lucky to have won - I was there.

Take a look

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That's just speculation. I just re-watched the game and I though the defense adjusted well to the option and had it under control by the middle of the 2nd quarter. From that point until Carney's injury at the end of the 3rd, over 25 minutes of game, AFA only scored 6 points compared to Cal's 21. It can't be assumed that AFA would have been able to do much better than the 9 points they did with the backup: 1 TD, 1 FG in 4 drives.

Here's a better link:

Our Domicile;842611874 said:

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Kevin Riley was a complete BOSS that day. I have no doubt that he would've been a very good QB in the TFS with his escapability and downfield accuracy...but oh well. Good kid.

Should be fun again this time around.

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I don't think Riley was accurate enough on his shorter passes to excel in the TFS. That was a real problem for him, what was it, his junior season?

Creeping Incrementalism;842612161 said:

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That's not how I remember it at all. I recall Air Force's option runs were beginning to get stuffed every play starting about the same time Riley came in, early second quarter. Carney getting injured just settled the issue, late 3rd quarter. And I think Cal may have started the game with a 4-3 defense, but then switched to a 3-4 about the same time the defense started stopping those options. And as I recall Cal kept using the 3-4 as a base defense starting in 2008 (they were mostly 4-3 in 2007).

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That is the way I remember it. Cal had difficulty stopping the option in the 1st QTR but then figured out how to do it. Cal took the lead just before the AF QB got hurt.

For the first half, no one could get the ball to the receivers, particularly to Jackson. All ANY QB had to do was throw it way downfield and he'd get it. Longshore was hurt and couldn't. Tedford finally accepted that Longshore was hurt and couldn't throw, put in Riley and Jackson made some great plays, along with a no longer demoralized Cal team. Tedford's stubbornness nearly cost the team the game. Nothing went right before Riley came in. And based on the prior six weeks, we all knew how bad the bowl was going to get with Longshore in. This bowl game is a really bad memory for me, even though the team won.

GivemTheAxe;842612223 said:

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That is the way I remember it. Cal had difficulty stopping the option in the 1st QTR but then figured out how to do it. Cal took the lead just before the AF QB got hurt.

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Just re-watched 2nd quarter of that game. Big part of the improvement on D was also that Safety Thomas Decoud was held out of the 1st quarter along with WRs Jackson and Jordan. Once Decoud got in the game, his speed and tackling ability blew up the option on multiple plays. AFA's offense didn't do nearly well once they got behind the chains. They still got some 1st downs but could not sustain drives as easily.

Big C_Cal;842612204 said:

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I don't think Riley was accurate enough on his shorter passes to excel in the TFS. That was a real problem for him, what was it, his junior season?

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Riley was pretty accurate while scrambling and he would have to do alot of that in the TFS. Plus I'm assuming an immersion-type education for a QB in the TFS from Day One when making such a claim. Tedford loved changing OCs and QB coaches and Riley was a "confidence" type of QB and most likely needed stablity in these areas.

Some people may want to downplay those long bombs against Air Force, but those were Big XII quality throws to me.

1979bear;842612295 said:

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For the first half, no one could get the ball to the receivers, particularly to Jackson. All ANY QB had to do was throw it way downfield and he'd get it. Longshore was hurt and couldn't. Tedford finally accepted that Longshore was hurt and couldn't throw, put in Riley and Jackson made some great plays, along with a no longer demoralized Cal team. Tedford's stubbornness nearly cost the team the game. Nothing went right before Riley came in. And based on the prior six weeks, we all knew how bad the bowl was going to get with Longshore in. This bowl game is a really bad memory for me, even though the team won.

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I'm sorry, but you must not have paid attention to the news leading up to the game and your memory of Desean Jackson is incorrect. Tedford had already stated to the media that both quarterbacks were going to play. He didn't "finally accept" that Longshore was hurt and put in Riley. Riley was always going to go in in the second quarter no matter what Longshore did. As for Jackson, he was held out of the first quarter, as were Jordan and Decoud for violating team rules. No one could get Jackson or Jordan the ball because they weren't in the game. And it wasn't for the first half that "no one could get the ball" to them. It was the first quarter. Jackson caught 3 passes including a 40 yard touchdown on the first offensive possession of the second quarter, which was also his first offensive possession and was Riley's first possession. Cal scored two touchdowns in the second quarter. Longshore never had the opportunity to get the ball to Jackson.

As for payout, all bowl $ goes to the conference to be divided among members after expenses are deducted.

One advantage of this bowl over the Cactus is that the Cactus is 12/19, meaning 10 days fewer of practice.

UrsaMajor;842612412 said:

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As for payout, all bowl $ goes to the conference to be divided among members after expenses are deducted.

One advantage of this bowl over the Cactus is that the Cactus is 12/19, meaning 10 days fewer of practice.

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I think you mean Vegas. Cactus is on January 2nd I believe.

UrsaMajor;842612412 said:

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As for payout, all bowl $ goes to the conference to be divided among members after expenses are deducted.

One advantage of this bowl over the Cactus is that the Cactus is 12/19, meaning 10 days fewer of practice.

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Actually is there a standard allotment of days for bowl game practice, or by virtue of later bowl date, do you get more days?

KoreAmBear;842612415 said:

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Actually is there a standard allotment of days for bowl game practice, or by virtue of later bowl date, do you get more days?

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Believe it's always 15. Challenge with Vegas would have been squeezing those in with finals, etc.

Sebastabear;842612418 said:

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Believe it's always 15. Challenge with Vegas would have been squeezing those in with finals, etc.

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Thanks bro. I forgot the bowl protocol since it's been a few years LOL.