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I know we have had this discussion before, but I don't recall seeing this option. If the women can do it in Basketball, why can't we do it in football? Wouldn't that allow us to play in LA every year (and the SoCal schools up north) and allow us to have a normal league schedule rotation like all the other P12 North schools? Kinda seems like the best of both worlds.

"BERKELEY -- A Monday night tilt with a fellow ursine sets the stage for a rare nonconference matchup as the No. 21/20 Golden Bears battle the No. 19/RV UCLA Bruins in Haas Pavilion. The action begins at 6:02 p.m. in Berkeley and airs live on the Pac-12 Bay Area with Rosalyn Gold-Onwude (analyst) and Guy Haberman (play-by-play) on the call.

Because of the nonconference designation, the meeting between the pair of Pac-12 foes will not count toward their conference records but will count toward their overall records. Since Cal was set to play UCLA just once this year in Los Angeles as part of the typical Pac-12 rotation, in which each team only sees two teams on the road, the Bears added the game as part of its nonconference slate to create another exciting home matchup during non-league play."

Huge disadvantage for the two teams doing it and especially the conference. Guarantees a loss to one of the teams. When in a top conference that wins a majority of nonconference games, it is better to not force a loss.

Go!Bears;842621202 said:

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I know we have had this discussion before, but I don't recall seeing this option. If the women can do it in Basketball, why can't we do it in football? Wouldn't that allow us to play in LA every year (and the SoCal schools up north) and allow us to have a normal league schedule rotation like all the other P12 North schools? Kinda seems like the best of both worlds.

"BERKELEY -- A Monday night tilt with a fellow ursine sets the stage for a rare nonconference matchup as the No. 21/20 Golden Bears battle the No. 19/RV UCLA Bruins in Haas Pavilion. The action begins at 6:02 p.m. in Berkeley and airs live on the Pac-12 Bay Area with Rosalyn Gold-Onwude (analyst) and Guy Haberman (play-by-play) on the call.

Because of the nonconference designation, the meeting between the pair of Pac-12 foes will not count toward their conference records but will count toward their overall records. Since Cal was set to play UCLA just once this year in Los Angeles as part of the typical Pac-12 rotation, in which each team only sees two teams on the road, the Bears added the game as part of its nonconference slate to create another exciting home matchup during non-league play."

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You are suggesting we play 10 of our 12 games against pac-12 foes?

Actually, I was thinking it might let us go to eight "conference" games & one of our OOC would be an LA in those years when we don't face them in the rotation.

Dumb

Nine conference games and trading Colorado for $ is smart?

Every other team would play an 8 game conf schedule except Cal and UCLA? How does that give us an advantage? Especially since this game would always be played on the road.

I am not sure how it works, but it would NOT be a "Conference Game" and it would not always be on the road. You would do it however the W Basketball team arranged it.

You get your schedule and play who the conference says you play. (I think until the SEC plays a 9 game schedule, we should match their 8) That schedule is what determines the P-12 North Champion and who gets to play for the Rose Bowl. Every few years, that P-12 Schedule will omit one (I don't think it's ever both) of the SoCal schools. Whichever one they omit, you add as a Non-Conference game. If that year you are scheduled to play $ at home, but skip UCLA, you add LA in Pasadena. If you are scheduled to play LA in SoCal but skip $, you add $ at Memorial.

Simple agreement between the schools that preserves the rivalries and in-state road trips every year, without placing ourselves at a structural disadvantage. But apparently it's dumb.

Go!Bears;842621238 said:

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Actually, I was thinking it might let us go to eight "conference" games & one of our OOC would be an LA in those years when we don't face them in the rotation.

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Isn't that what we have now basically? Lol.

I too, was wondering HOW women's basketball was playing UCLA as a non conference game.????

I don't understand all the ins and out of conference scheduling but it sure seemed strange to me.
Any other Cal sport done that?

We don't rotate UCLA or USC in football

We rotate UA and CO with ASU and Utah. Every two years so we can do a home and away

oskigobears;842621370 said:

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I too, was wondering HOW women's basketball was playing UCLA as a non conference game.????

I don't understand all the ins and out of conference scheduling but it sure seemed strange to me.
Any other Cal sport done that?

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I'm pretty sure Cal and Stanford play an early, non-conference game in baseball every year.

I think it is a good idea, certainly preferable to breaking with tradition and NOT playing the LA teams every year.

Cal-SC is one of the oldest rivalries around with 103 games going back to 1915, pitting the state's oldest public school (no, I'm not giving what is now San Jose State credit for its high school predecessor) against the oldest private school. By comparison, the Big Game has been played 118 times.

Cal-Southern Branch is much newer with only 85 games going back to 1933, but is biggest and oldest rivalry within a university system. At one time this was a big UC event known as "All University" day involving a double header with a morning game between Davis & Santa Barbara. (By comparison, Virginia and the College of William & Mary (the two flagship public universities in Virginia) play for the Jefferson Cup, but have met only 35 times.)

Go!Bears;842621338 said:

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I am not sure how it works, but it would NOT be a "Conference Game" and it would not always be on the road. You would do it however the W Basketball team arranged it.

You get your schedule and play who the conference says you play. (I think until the SEC plays a 9 game schedule, we should match their 8) That schedule is what determines the P-12 North Champion and who gets to play for the Rose Bowl. Every few years, that P-12 Schedule will omit one (I don't think it's ever both) of the SoCal schools. Whichever one they omit, you add as a Non-Conference game. If that year you are scheduled to play $ at home, but skip UCLA, you add LA in Pasadena. If you are scheduled to play LA in SoCal but skip $, you add $ at Memorial.

Simple agreement between the schools that preserves the rivalries and in-state road trips every year, without placing ourselves at a structural disadvantage. But apparently it's dumb.

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Right now Cal plays one LA school at home, one on the road (the home game is important for revenue, the road game is important for recruiting-its the whole reason that the LA schools were maintained despite being in the North.) If you go to 8 conference games, then add your LA rotation, you are at the same place we are at now unless I missed your point: 9 conference games, but one of them (against an LA school) doesn't "count?"

mbBear;842621529 said:

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Right now Cal plays one LA school at home, one on the road (the home game is important for revenue, the road game is important for recruiting-its the whole reason that the LA schools were maintained despite being in the North.) If you go to 8 conference games, then add your LA rotation, you are at the same place we are at now unless I missed your point: 9 conference games, but one of them (against an LA school) doesn't "count?"

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You are comparing the proposal to the current system, but there have been proposals to rotate the southern division teams in the conference. The advantages to playing the LA schools every year are stated in your post. The disadvantage is they are usually good, and we tend to lose, thus impacting our annual conference record.

Personally, I like the tradition of playing the LA teams every year, and I agree it is good for recruiting in the fertile So Cal region. It would be better to change them to non-conference games and continue playing them annually than to have some years where we don't play them every year.

Go!Bears;842621202 said:

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:horse

I know we have had this discussion before, but I don't recall seeing this option. If the women can do it in Basketball, why can't we do it in football? Wouldn't that allow us to play in LA every year (and the SoCal schools up north) and allow us to have a normal league schedule rotation like all the other P12 North schools? Kinda seems like the best of both worlds.

"BERKELEY -- A Monday night tilt with a fellow ursine sets the stage for a rare nonconference matchup as the No. 21/20 Golden Bears battle the No. 19/RV UCLA Bruins in Haas Pavilion. The action begins at 6:02 p.m. in Berkeley and airs live on the Pac-12 Bay Area with Rosalyn Gold-Onwude (analyst) and Guy Haberman (play-by-play) on the call.

Because of the nonconference designation, the meeting between the pair of Pac-12 foes will not count toward their conference records but will count toward their overall records. Since Cal was set to play UCLA just once this year in Los Angeles as part of the typical Pac-12 rotation, in which each team only sees two teams on the road, the Bears added the game as part of its nonconference slate to create another exciting home matchup during non-league play."

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Wow. Reading the responses to this is like watching a bunch of drunks discuss politics.

We already have to play USC and UCLA as out of division Conference games. EVERY YEAR.

Instead of it counting as a conference loss, it is an OOC loss for one of the teams. As a replacement, we play one of the other P12 south teams that are MUCH easier pickings than USC or UCLA are. We keep our historical rivalry game, while avoiding the issue of always playing the two traditionally toughest teams in the other division.

We have precedence in football (playing Colorado OOC). A loss does not impact conference standings, and it allows us to play one of the traditionally weaker teams (something that good old Oregon, Washington, WSU, and OSU get to do almost every year).

I think it is a great idea. We basically drop a B schedule team from our OOC slate (SDSU, Nevada, etc). Ideally we would drop the D1AA game, but everyone wants wins for the playoff instead of a good season, so that is out.

Phantomfan;842622049 said:

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Wow. Reading the responses to this is like watching a bunch of drunks discuss politics.

We already have to play USC and UCLA as out of division Conference games. EVERY YEAR.

Instead of it counting as a conference loss, it is an OOC loss for one of the teams. As a replacement, we play one of the other P12 south teams that are MUCH easier pickings than USC or UCLA are. We keep our historical rivalry game, while avoiding the issue of always playing the two traditionally toughest teams in the other division.

We have precedence in football (playing Colorado OOC). A loss does not impact conference standings, and it allows us to play one of the traditionally weaker teams (something that good old Oregon, Washington, WSU, and OSU get to do almost every year).

I think it is a great idea. We basically drop a B schedule team from our OOC slate (SDSU, Nevada, etc). Ideally we would drop the D1AA game, but everyone wants wins for the playoff instead of a good season, so that is out.

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The Colorado OOC game was due to a previous home and home arrangement with Colorado back when Colorado was in the Big 12