SonOfCalVa;842624171 said:

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It's okay, really ... if you and goldenokiebear don't get it, you don't get it.
Kids drop classes all the time if they can't understand basic concepts.
It's really okay

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Thx for the condescending reply, we expect nothing less from you.

Bears in the Rose by proxy?

Our AD should ban grad transfers to any school that is on our schedule, most particularly those in the P12N. Many schools have this policy in place and so should Cal.

hanky1;842622530 said:

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Fantastic year and managed to garner all-conference honors despite the fact everyone here dismissed him as a guy who would be hurt all year long. Most importantly, he will be the first Cal guy to play in the Rose Bowl in +55 years. Let's all hear it for our awesome athletic director who encouraged and allowed him to transfer so he could become an all-conference player and to represent Cal in the Rose Bowl.

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Congratulations to spanky1 for 6,000+ troll posts to achieve "Golden Jackass" status. High five!

goldenokiebear;842624174 said:

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Thx for the condescending reply, we expect nothing less from you.

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No problem, you're welcome Good to know you expect nothing less. Thanks

With the impending transfer of Barton and Dozier, I've got to wonder why more people aren't wondering what the hell is motivating all these guys (defensive players especially) to bail on the program before their eligibility is up?

Yeah, I'm sure Scarlett's family ties and chance to play for a Pac 12 power played a role, but that doesn't explain why Avery, Barton, and Dozier have left as well. That doesn't even bring into account the previous transfers of Ragin and Whitner. This is not a knock against Dykes, who I am happy is extended, but I have a hard time believing Cal has recruited nothing but turncoats.

G&B61;842624519 said:

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With the impending transfer of Barton and Dozier, I've got to wonder why more people aren't wondering what the hell is motivating all these guys (defensive players especially) to bail on the program before their eligibility is up?

Yeah, I'm sure Scarlett's family ties and chance to play for a Pac 12 power played a role, but that doesn't explain why Avery, Barton, and Dozier have left as well. That doesn't even bring into account the previous transfers of Ragin and Whitner. This is not a knock against Dykes, who I am happy is extended, but I have a hard time believing Cal has recruited nothing but turncoats.

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This problem, and the supposed extent of it, is hardly unique to Cal. It happens EVERYWHERE.

oski003;842624526 said:

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This problem, and the supposed extent of it, is hardly unique to Cal. It happens EVERYWHERE.

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Transfers happen, I under that. But seeing as many defensive starters as we've had transfer in the last few seasons is not exactly something that "happens everywhere."

G&B61;842624538 said:

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Transfers happen, I under that. But seeing as many defensive starters as we've had transfer in the last few seasons is not exactly something that "happens everywhere."

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Not everyone had the worst defense in the nation for 2 years in a row. Losing that "talent" is part of what needs to happen. Some of the guys on defense flat out are not very good football players.

Also, remember Mark Brazinski? Great guy in terms of academics, but he used football as a way to spend 5 years at Cal to get multiple degrees but never really contributed much to the football program. He was a waste of a scholarship for 5 years. It was clear he wasn't that serious about or interested in football. It was just a means of getting a free education.

Schools like Cal and Furd need to worry about guys like that remaining on the roster, taking up space, and sapping resources. I'm okay with encouraging guys like that to move on.

SurvivorOf1and10fkaLEA;842624559 said:

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Also, remember Mark Brazinski? Great guy in terms of academics, but he used football as a way to spend 5 years at Cal to get multiple degrees but never really contributed much to the football program. He was a waste of a scholarship for 5 years. It was clear he wasn't that serious about or interested in football. It was just a means of getting a free education.

Schools like Cal and Furd need to worry about guys like that remaining on the roster, taking up space, and sapping resources. I'm okay with encouraging guys like that to move on.

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That really came out of nowhere. If memory serves me correct, Brazinski damn near blew out his knee going into his junior year during spring ball and still managed to letter. It's one thing to knock a guy for his talent, but clearly your idea of him not being serious doesn't hold any water with me.

And back on point, Brazinski doesn't compare to the guys I listed because he wasn't a starter. Scarlett? Starter (now one for Furd). Avery? Starter. Dozier? Starter. Barton? Starter. That is a real bad look having that many starters transfer out, not necessarily due to increased competition at their position. Scarlett was clearly our best DE, and he's shown it being with Furd. Barton was one of our most consistent LBs. And as much as Dozier struggled at times, it's not like we had anyone that knocked him off the depth chart.

Avery: couldn't stay healthy
Scarlett: couldn't stay healthy
Barton: couldn't stay healthy
Dozier: not a starter

beelzebear;842622551 said:

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He's choose Furd, he's not a Bear.

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Yup. Not a bear, not calgang.

SurvivorOf1and10fkaLEA;842622658 said:

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That's precisely the issue. You respect people who make the best choice for themselves. I respect people who make the best choice, even if it is to their own detriment.

According to your standards, you have no reason to dislike Tosh. All he did was make the best choice for himself by leaving his employer who was unwilling to pay him his market vale for an employer who was offering a compensation package that was in line with his market value. He had an arms-length employment relationship with the team, nothing more. How can YOU fault a man for taking a better job offer? Why the double standard just because he worked for Cal and not Google or Boeing?

Benedict Scarlett, unlike the myriad other non-football-player students, got a free education at Cal. He also used his free housing, free food, free access to the strength & conditioning program and world class medical resources (which he needed quite often for his brittle body) to build himself up into a potential NFL draft pick, and yet, his contributions to the university and football team were scant, if anything, and he used all of the benefits that Cal had bestowed on him over the course of 4 years to beat Cal in the Big Game and lead Cal's arch enemy to a Rose Bowl.

A typical student pays money to a university to receive an education and a degree. When a Cal grad gets a Furd grad degree, he or she simply pays a different institution to receive a benefit. There isn't an expectation that the student should somehow benefit the institution other than the money he or she pays.

Benedict Scarlett had little Cal fans who bought number 17 jerseys bearing his name on its back. He was also a leader and captain on the football team and no doubt looked around the locker room on numerous occasions, looked into the eyes of his teammates, and said, "I'm going to give you everything I've got. Give me everything you've got, and let's do something great together" or things of that nature. The typical Cal turned Furd grad student doesn't leave behind a legion of disappointed professors and classmates. Scarlett, on the other hand, turned on his coaches, fans, and teammates.

Accountability is important in college football. Why be accountable to someone who is going to turn on you, join your enemy, and try to beat you? Real leaders don't do that.

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In my opinion referencing this young man's decision to get get his graduate degree and play for Stanford by calling him vulgar names does nothing to validate your opinions. Personally I have always considered Stanford a rival not an enemy. A little civility please.

While we're celebrating Cal alums, how about a shout out to Class of 2005 grad, Tosh Lupoi, and his shot to win a natty ring. His OLB unit at Bama is just too much for MSU. Way to go, Tosh! Represent!!

TheSouseFamily;842625297 said:

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While we're celebrating Cal alums, how about a shout out to Class of 2005 grad, Tosh Lupoi, and his shot to win a natty ring. His OLB unit at Bama is just too much for MSU. Way to go, Tosh! Represent!!

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Let's celebrate William Hung too. He's more famous than anyone here on BI.

What about former Cal prof Ted Kazinski. Once a Bear, always a Bear.

Cal alum Brennan Scarlett is about to be on at 2 pm in the rose bowl game. #represent

Cal88;842624177 said:

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Our AD should ban grad transfers to any school that is on our schedule, most particularly those in the P12N. Many schools have this policy in place and so should Cal.

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Our AD has no control of that; you graduate you're free!!!

jackbauerish;842627984 said:

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Our AD has no control of that; you graduate you're free!!!

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Wait, you mean I didn't have to be a bear fan for these uncounted decades?

jackbauerish;842627984 said:

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Our AD has no control of that; you graduate you're free!!!

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Source?

Umm season is over ... Move on forward

One-Time Transfer Exception

The one-time transfer exception is the most commonly used exception for transfers from one four-year college to another, especially if the transfer involves two colleges in NCAA Division I or II.

If transferring to a Division I school, the athlete must play a sport other than football, men's or women's basketball, or baseball. The exception is that an athlete can transfers to a Football Championship Subdivision (FCS or I-AA) school and use this exception provided he or she has at least two seasons of competition remaining. In Division II, any sport may use the one-time transfer exception.The athlete must not have previously transferred from another four-year school.At the time of the transfer, the athlete would have been academically eligible at the previous school; andIf transferring from an NCAA or NAIA school, the athlete's previous school states in writing that they have no objection to the athlete using the one-time transfer exception.

While the one-time transfer exception is the most commonly used, it is technically the last resort. If a student-athlete can find another transfer exception to use, it is generally better since they have fewer requirements and sometime make the transfer not count if the student-athlete needs to transfer again.

Graduate Exception

The graduate exception is a version of the one-time transfer exception. It is for student-athletes who cannot use the normal one-time transfer exception because they play one of the sports that are not permitted to use the exception.

The student-athlete must have graduated with at least a bachelor's degree;The student-athlete meets the other requirements of the one-time transfer exception;The student-athlete must have at least one season of competition left; andThe student-athlete's previous school did not renew his or her athletic scholarship or offer an athletic scholarship for the following academic year.

The requirement that the scholarship be cancelled or not renewed is generally not an issue. The scholarship does not need to be cancelled before the transfer or be the reason for the transfer. Because the one-time transfer exception requires you to get a release, what will happen with your scholarship is generally just an administrative detail.

Graduate Transfer Waiver

The graduate transfer waiver is now typically used by athletes who have previous transferred once before and so cannot use the one-time transfer exception (even as a graduate student).

A letter from the previous school saying it does not object to the student-athlete being eligible;

Documentation that the student-athlete has been accepted into a specific graduate degree program;

Documentation about whether that degree program is offered by the previous school;
A student-athlete statement including the reasons for the transfer; and

A statement from the previous institution about the student-athlete's status on the team.

Generally the heart of the waiver is the three middle bullets. The NCAA wants to see that the student-athlete transferred in order to continue his or her academic career by pursuing a graduate degree not offered at the previous school.