Chapman_is_Gone;842624284 said:

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Every year there are one or two "sure things" at QB in the draft who end up as busts. If Lynch is rated ahead of Goff by the "experts," I'd put my trust with them rather than the wanna-be GMs on this board. That said, perhaps the Air Force game will propel Goff ahead of Lynch in the draft projections. I'm VERY happy for Goff that he went out with a bang. Yet at the same time, as a GM forced to invest millions of dollars in one player, I'd be closely analyzing why Goff self-destructed or simply played average--and didn't elevate his game and the team's overall play as a leader--in Cal's most important games this year, starting with the Utah game. Against Air Force, Goff showed a touch and accuracy on long throws which had been missing in many of this year's games.

I suspect Goff will do well in the NFL if he works hard, gets a fair shot somewhere, and isn't overwhelmed by the money. But, if so, he will join the confounding and rather long list of athletes who had their best days after leaving Cal, rather than at Cal.

I know some of you will strongly disagree with me, and that is fine. Some will just blame the offensive line. Some of you have called his Cal career "amazing"--I just don't agree with that. What is amazing about going 0-12? Give me a Mike Pawlawski any day of the week over a player like Goff.

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With great respect to Paws, give me Goff with Mike's O line...

NVGolfingBear;842624309 said:

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With great respect to Paws, give me Goff with Mike's O line...

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And defense

Chapman_is_Gone;842624284 said:

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Yet at the same time, as a GM forced to invest millions of dollars in one player, I'd be closely analyzing why Goff self-destructed or simply played average--and didn't elevate his game and the team's overall play as a leader--in Cal's most important games this year, starting with the Utah game.

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Was the bowl game important to Memphis? Because I'm pretty sure I just watched Paxton Lynch self-destruct.

NYCGOBEARS;842624229 said:

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And one of those times a fat Jessica Simpson did it.

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lol

in all seriousness the cowboys would be a good landing spot. Romo will last for a little while anyways. great fairly young OL. Dez in his prime. If they can replace Witten....VERY nice set of weapons. Run DMC is younger than his age cause he never played for the raiders and most of his injuries were little knick knack things, not serious adds age to your body things

moonpod;842624328 said:

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lol

in all seriousness the cowboys would be a good landing spot. Romo will last for a little while anyways. great fairly young OL. Dez in his prime. If they can replace Witten....VERY nice set of weapons. Run DMC is younger than his age cause he never played for the raiders and most of his injuries were little knick knack things, not serious adds age to your body things

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I hate the 'Boys, but I agree.

NYCGOBEARS;842624331 said:

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I hate the 'Boys, but I agree.

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Jerry loves Manziel. I feel like he might try to get him for a song and see if he can be their QB of the future while they ride it out with Romo.

BunzOfAnarchy;842624334 said:

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Jerry loves Manziel. I feel like he might try to get him for a song and see if he can be their QB of the future while they ride it out with Romo.

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which is why the cowboys will never quite make it back again. Jerry falls in love with stupidity. the smart move for them is goff, defense and a look for WR and TE later

how would paws or Rodgers do with goff's team vs the same schedule?

moonpod;842624336 said:

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which is why the cowboys will never quite make it back again. Jerry falls in love with stupidity. the smart move for them is goff, defense and a look for WR and TE later

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Jerry Jones was great friends and apparently the little brother of Al Davis because they were both very good football minds until age caught up with them and put them both on the descent into Senile dementia.

okaydo;842624343 said:

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how would paws or Rodgers do with goff's team vs the same schedule?

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??? you got a crystal ball that can create that situation ???

Cal_Fan2;842624353 said:

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Jerry Jones was great friends and apparently the little brother of Al Davis because they were both very good football minds until age caught up with them and put them both on the descent into Senile dementia.

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can't fight father time or gravity

About half the NFL franchises are run by incompetents. You have a league where the payrolls are similar across the board, but you don't have the parity level that you would expect given that pay structure. Teams like NE and Seattle have consistently outperformed the field, and at the other end you have teams that have consistently stunk despite being in a position to draft their way up from the bottom.

Cal88;842624383 said:

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About half the NFL franchises are run by incompetents. You have a league where the payrolls are similar across the board, but you don't have the parity level that you would expect given that pay structure. Teams like NE and Seattle have consistently outperformed the field, and at the other end you have teams that have consistently stunk despite being in a position to draft their way up from the bottom.

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Way more than half

moonpod;842624336 said:

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which is why the cowboys will never quite make it back again. Jerry falls in love with stupidity. the smart move for them is goff, defense and a look for WR and TE later

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in fairness to Jerry, he did pass on Manziel in the draft and pick an OL, which has ended up working out pretty well so far.

SurvivorOf1and10fkaLEA;842624257 said:

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Lynch is impressive. He is big, athletic and has a strong arm. I think he's physically better than Goff, but Goff is so mentally and physically tough.

The situation reminds me of the Rodgers-Smith saga. Smith was more physically talented, but Rodgers was tougher mentally and physically. Goff has been through 1-11 and played in a tough conference with less talented teammates.

It's not his arm or legs that will allow Goff to be successful. It's the giant blood-pumping organ housed inside his rib cage.

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You lost me there. That was not true in 2004, and it's not true now.

Rodgers won the passing competition at the NFL combine. That should have clued in the clueless.

CalLax;842624691 said:

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Rodgers won the passing competition at the NFL combine. That should have clued in the clueless.

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Not to the 49ers

going4roses;842624692 said:

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Not to the 49ers

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As I recall, the 49ers thought Aaron was cocky and arrogant. Didn't want to deal with it...

NVGolfingBear;842624703 said:

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As I recall, the 49ers thought Aaron was cocky and arrogant. Didn't want to deal with it...

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Well for an nfl qb those traits have to be present no?

I recall Mike Nolan liked Smith because of his personality which mirrored his own, that of a loser

wifeisafurd;842624109 said:

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This really sums it up. Goff may have the best footwork I have seen in a recent college QB not named Luck, and he is right there with Luck. If Goff plays behind Furd's oline, he wins the Heisman and no one is asking if he is the best QB.

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lSpeaking of Olines, if Cleveland is where Goff will land in front of him are Mack and Schwartz. Not a bad Olineup.

going4roses;842624705 said:

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Well for an nfl qb those traits have to be present no?

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Agreed and I think Aaron is cocky but that's part of what makes him so good; his confidence is extremely positive. The 49ers couldn't get past that, almost as if they were afraid to cede control and leadership to the team's QB. Dumb decision.