Ty Wallace #34 according to recent NBADRAFT.net mock draft.

Last time a team had three guys drafted but didn't make the tourney?

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bigcocoon007;842632416 said:

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Ty Wallace #34 according to recent NBADRAFT.net mock draft.

Last time a team had three guys drafted but didn't make the tourney?

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Give them some time

Didn't Kentucky not make the tourney a couple of years ago with a bunch of freshmen who went on to get drafted? I didn't bother to look this up, btw.

bigcocoon007;842632416 said:

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Ty Wallace #34 according to recent NBADRAFT.net mock draft.

Last time a team had three guys drafted but didn't make the tourney?

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Rabb is a lot farther along than I thought he would be

Brown is a lot farther behind than I thought

Brown has always said he didn't m think he would be ready after only one year. Rabb has been very consistent and impressive.

Brown has like 3-4 WTF drives every game. I thought he was going to be like dwayne wade, euro-stepping through the lane, but he just flat out turns the ball over, gets struck or just overall looks overmatched. But then you look up and he has15 pts (that you don't remember) and a highlight dunk.

Rabb is a freakin revelation. I can see why other players wanted to play with him. For the beginning part of the season, I thought he was getting some lucky bounces and rebounds, or whatever, he always seems to end up with the ball. But now I realized that its just completely natural for him and he must have very exceptionally strong hands. His rebound radius is ridiculous. Now, I just expect any rebound that is near him to magically fall into his hands and it does. He's a double double machine, they really need to run the offense through him as he is natural and fluid around the basket and uses BOTH hands. Against the #1 seed virginia at virginia he had 12 bounds (most for the game) against really really experienced and savvy rebounders. This guy is a freshman. He has more upside than Brown. I thought it was the other way around. He stays for 1 more year he's 20-10 with ease.

Yeah, I haven't seen every game but Brown is clearly raw. That said, I think he's going to work through it and could be a great player. From everything I've read about him it seems like he's got a plan and is willing to work hard and knew there would be challenges. He's definitely not shying away from action and I don't know how much of that is Cuanzo telling him to play through it to be better by the end of the season and how much of it is just Brown going HAM.

Rabb is so smooth. He's like a less physical, not so tall Garnett. Really like his game. Not sure how it will translate to the NBA but he is a heck of a college player and we should be thankful for any year(s) we have with him here.

Refs do not respect Brown, for whatever reason, at all. He gets hacked like crazy, they call it occasionally, and he makes the free throws just over half the time. It is a bad combo.

Wow, that seems kind of high, but I'm not an expert. I would think with this kind of talent we wouldn't lose to the beavers, but I could be just microagressing.

I would be more impressed if we could win a pac12 road game. Need some toughness

82gradDLSdad;842632432 said:

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Didn't Kentucky not make the tourney a couple of years ago with a bunch of freshmen who went on to get drafted? I didn't bother to look this up, btw.

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In 2012-2013 Kentucky was preseason #3 and crashed out to an NIT opening-round loss at Robert Morris, although this was sandwiched between 2 NCAA title game appearances and 1 win.

Unit2Sucks;842632438 said:

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Brown has always said he didn't m think he would be ready after only one year. Rabb has been very consistent and impressive.

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The game just seems to come so naturally for Rabb. His instincts and feel are uncanny. Brown oozes the tools and I'm sure those will develop in the coming years but his game sometimes looks awkward and a little forced at times. He's just raw right now and so we get both the good and the bad. But Rabb...it's a joy watching a guy with such a natural feel for basketball.

Rabb reminds me of a young Tim Duncan. VERY impressive.

tequila4kapp;842632470 said:

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Rabb reminds me of a young Tim Duncan. VERY impressive.

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Which is why it would be nice if he got more than 4 shots a game like he did against OSU.

Yeah, Rabb is seriously legit.

Agree on Brown. No doubt he can be an NBA guy down the line but he seems like he's still growing into his frame.... some coordination/smoothness issues on drives to the basket.

This just makes me even more disappointed in the performance of the team. :headbang

TheSouseFamily;842632471 said:

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Which is why it would be nice if he got more than 4 shots a game like he did against OSU.

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I agree with the point you are making
But to be accurate, rabb took 8 shots
He was fouled on half of them

RoseBowlThirsty;842632479 said:

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This just makes me even more disappointed in the performance of the team. :headbang

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It's a Cuonzo Martin team man. Remember, Tennesee fans wanted him out so bad before their run in the tourney. Things to expect:

- No offensive flow
- Long bouts of wtf on offense
- TREMENDOUS DEFENSE
- MAX EFFORT
- GOOD RECRUITING

We are basically just running the offense through Brown right now, which is a complete NO NO NO WTF are you doing? It should be run through Wallace and Rabb, but its through Brown. This is going to benefit us down the line. If this was Monty, it would 100% be run through Wallace to ensure more wins, but lower ceiling.

The goal of the whole season is to make a deep run in the tourney. Expect us to lose a lot of head scratchers. It's the signature card of Cuonzo. But also expect us to look really good come March.

i think rabb is a great rebounder. why not a good outlet pass for a fast break. better then what we are showing the half court offense.

Dbearson;842632494 said:

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Expect us to lose a lot of head scratchers. It's the signature card of Cuonzo. But also expect us to look really good come March.

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But what if we lose too many games and end up with a bad seed or worse yet, the NIT? I get that Cuonzo is building a "tournament team", and could probably care less than winning the Pac-12 reg season and/or Pac-12 tournament. In fact, he probably cares more about Pac-12 tournament than reg season. Does anyone care that Cal won the reg season a few years back? I remember when that happened, no one cared (except us fans) and everyone declared UW the conf champs cuz they won the tournament. That is college bball in 2016 -- it's all about the tourney and what you did last week, not over the course of the season.

bluehenbear;842632518 said:

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But what if we lose too many games and end up with a bad seed or worse yet, the NIT? I get that Cuonzo is building a "tournament team", and could probably care less than winning the Pac-12 reg season and/or Pac-12 tournament. In fact, he probably cares more about Pac-12 tournament than reg season. Does anyone care that Cal won the reg season a few years back? I remember when that happened, no one cared (except us fans) and everyone declared UW the conf champs cuz they won the tournament. That is college bball in 2016 -- it's all about the tourney and what you did last week, not over the course of the season.

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We'll be in the tournament don't worry

Brown reminds me of Tremain Fowlkes

Brown is such a natural athlete. Looks like he's running in slow motion, but then he just blows by everyone and dunks in their face.

tequila4kapp;842632470 said:

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Rabb reminds me of a young Tim Duncan. VERY impressive.

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I hadn't thought of the Tim Duncan comparison before, but it is a very good one. Rabb might be 1-2 inches shorter, which will be a bigger deal at the next level. They both get things done with a combination of physical dexterity and basketball IQ.

Brown will keep getting better and better, but I'm having a hard time, at this point, seeing him go as high as #3 in this year's NBA Draft (which will take place in just over six months). At one camp he was measured at 6-5 1/2 (w/o shoes), so he's probably projected as a 2-guard, but he needs to refine his guard skills.

I could picture both these guys staying at Cal one more year: Brown to refine his skills and Rabb to get stronger (and refine his offensive skills). Obviously, though, they might both be done in 8-10 weeks. Reports are that both seem to be enjoying the "Cal experience", so that might be a deciding factor.

Wallace is a big question mark, as he fills up the stat sheet, but is nevertheless a point guard who struggles to facilitate (or a shooting guard who struggles to make shots). I will be curious to see how he does in the future.

Look for the Bears to finish strongly and win one or more games in the (NCAA) tournament. The roster is a bit flawed, as we could use another couple of shooters and a nasty power forward, but most other coaches would still gladly trade their roster for ours.

I will say it, at the end of the basketball season, I think Brown will be the best basketball player in Cal's History. In every game he is improving dramatically and he strives to be the best player he can be. Also, he and Rabb are great players that are very unselfish.

burritos;842632551 said:

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Brown reminds me of Tremain Fowlkes

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That is a [U]GREAT[/U] comparison. I had forgotten about Cobra, but yes, Jaylen Brown is like Tremaine Fowlkes long lost twin in terms of their game (and their physically mature bodies as freshmen).

+100 on the above post.

francisco2525;842632705 said:

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I will say it, at the end of the basketball season, I think Brown will be the best basketball player in Cal's History.

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Hrmph.


signed,

Jason Kidd and Shareef Abdur-Rahim

I think Brown is exponentially better than Fowlkes and Kidd exponentially better than Brown.

One variable is relative draft pool. The 2016 draft is considered a weaker draft than the 2017 draft.

2016: Ben Simmons, Ingram, Jalylen, Rabb, Poeltl, Jamal Murray, Buddy Hield.

2017: Labissiere, Thon Maker, Harry Giles, Jayson Tatum

2016 is a better draft for Rabb since there are fewer big men. Labissiere hasn't looked great and Giles has another knee injury. Simmons and Ingram are better than Jaylen right now.

Dan Dakich was complaining about Simmons' shooting last night, but Magic and Kidd were never great shooters. Gut feeling is that Rabb is OAD and Jaylen is 50/50. Rabb is more NBA ready, but Jaylen has the higher ceiling.

bearister;842632861 said:

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I think Brown is exponentially better than Fowlkes and Kidd exponentially better than Brown.

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+1 right now. But if he were to stay a couple of years to make a good comparison he might push Kidd.

Yes.

bearister;842632861 said:

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I think Brown is exponentially better than Fowlkes and Kidd exponentially better than Brown.

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Ben Simmons is exceptional and has a very unique skill set for his size.

Problem with this team, is the TALENT AND EXPERIENCE is there but coaching is not up to par. Yes, Brown and Wallace are freshmen however look at all of the talent and experience we brought back this year and compare it to the landscape in college basketball today.

have been saying it all year - we have gone with a few different lineups but not the right one. Wallace and Brown continue to have those few

It doesn't matter how many lottery picks you have when you face the hardwood genius of Johnny Dawkins

GB54;842633885 said:

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It doesn't matter how many lottery picks you have when you face the hardwood genius of Johnny Dawkins

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For all the flak that Dawkins gets, his lifetime record at Furd is 151-106 and he has three 23+ win seasons in the last four years. We've had one such season.

TheSouseFamily;842633891 said:

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For all the flak that Dawkins gets, his lifetime record at Furd is 151-106 and he has three 23+ win seasons in the last four years. We've had one such season.

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Yeah but comparing him with us is the wrong model for excellence. He's had one NCAA appearance in seven years (a sweet 16, I'll give him that); a losing record in conference over seven years and never finished higher in the conference than third, so I think his overall record is misleading.