Wh*regon must be striking out on some targets. They just offered Evan Weaver from Spokane per Erik McKinney from ESPN. Brady Hoke wants to switch to a 4-3 defense and Weaver is a classic 4-3 d-end. Can't see him backing off his Cal commitment when he was Wh*regon's 10th choice.

I hope not I don't want to disrespect the young man to have a right to his own decision but I've been seeing him as a Golden Bear future HOF. He has all the markings. Stick with us Evan you will never rregret it!

Love me some tray

So happy that db coach that arz brought in was late if he was there earlier we would have had a hard time holding beck

Beck is the vocal leader of the class

He is and it is so important to have leaders like that on the back end of the defense.

With unbridled confidence

I'd like to be a fly on the wall regarding the communications going back and forth on #calgang16.

Weaver seems as solid as other #calgang16 but nothing's done until it's done on LOI day.
Weaver could give fits to our OTs in practice, switching him back and forth, great tests for them and him.

Nice to see Oregon does not have a solid class and is desperately trying to get decommits from others.
Let's "steal" one of their LB 'commits', if any qualify and want a real university for education.

I think he will stick.

Whatever, it is recruiting. Gasp that someone offered a committed player a scholarship :cry:

Late

This is exactly what the ducks did with d thomas

SonOfCalVa;842639017 said:

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Weaver seems as solid as other #calgang16 but nothing's done until it's done on LOI day.
Weaver could give fits to our OTs in practice, switching him back and forth, great tests for them and him.

Nice to see Oregon does not have a solid class and is desperately trying to get decommits from others.
Let's "steal" one of their LB 'commits', if any qualify and want a real university for education.

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You clearly don't understand Oregon recruiting if that is what you believe. As for decommits, they are happening all over this year. Hell, the Furd has had 3 or more in the past month? All the early commits are rethinking things and at the furd they slow play them. Don't worry or chuckle about Oregon. They know exactly what they are doing.

That said, we have a solid class and if we hold onto those who have options, we'll be very pleased.. i know I will.

petalumabear;842639097 said:

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You clearly don't understand Oregon recruiting if that is what you believe. As for decommits, they are happening all over this year. Hell, the Furd has had 3 or more in the past month? All the early commits are rethinking things and at the furd they slow play them. Don't worry or chuckle about Oregon. They know exactly what they are doing.

That said, we have a solid class and if we hold onto those who have options, we'll be very pleased.. i know I will.

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correct ... I don't understand anything about Oregon except that their "academics" for athletes (for any good student) is highly questionable.

I would disagree with that statement as well. My son is an undergrad there and is getting a very good education. He is friends with a couple of the players and has had them in class as well. You get out of a school what you put into it. whether you are an athlete or just a student.. he is an excellent student - as are some of his football buddies - so the perception is not necessarily reality... the whole notion of tearing down another PXII school a la Shocky is absolute BS in my opinion.

petalumabear;842639127 said:

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I would disagree with that statement as well. My son is an undergrad there and is getting a very good education. He is friends with a couple of the players and has had them in class as well. You get out of a school what you put into it. whether you are an athlete or just a student.. he is an excellent student - as are some of his football buddies - so the perception is not necessarily reality... the whole notion of tearing down another PXII school a la Shocky is absolute BS in my opinion.

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okay, so Oregon is perhaps the best public university in ... Oregon. Although OSU might disagree.
I recall that, at Berkeley, even some of those who "put it in" weren't good enough and went byebye.
Good for your son, and his parents, that he putting in the effort to get the best education he can ... very commendable.

you know, my son is a huge Cal fan... he attended the Cal Arizona hoops game on Saturday. The "tone" that some Cal alums/fans speak with to other Cal fans or graduates of other universities is condescending. For example, I attended Cal in the late 70's... I watched my son work his fanny off to prepare for college and he knew that, even though he is an outstanding student, he wouldn't be accepted.... he could have chosen to attend the JC and transfer into Cal like a couple of his good friends have done. He wanted to go to a 4 year university for all 4 years. Nowhere did I tell you that Oregon is on par with Cal... I told you that it is a good school., His 2 roommates are California kids who chose to go to Oregon. Both are pre-med and one will finish in 3 years.... he was accepted @ UCLA and still chose Oregon. Saying Oregon is the best public university in Oregon etc. etc. is condescending.... duly noted about you..

petalumabear;842639127 said:

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I would disagree with that statement as well. My son is an undergrad there and is getting a very good education. He is friends with a couple of the players and has had them in class as well. You get out of a school what you put into it. whether you are an athlete or just a student.. he is an excellent student - as are some of his football buddies - so the perception is not necessarily reality... the whole notion of tearing down another PXII school a la Shocky is absolute BS in my opinion.

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I agree PB. It makes me cringe when people here feel the need to put down other schools. That said, it is a fan board so I usually just chalk it up to normal fan smack talk. I have friends with kids at Oregon, and they too are enjoying the experience and the parents are proud of their kids.

petalumabear;842639140 said:

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you know, my son is a huge Cal fan... he attended the Cal Arizona hoops game on Saturday. The "tone" that some Cal alums/fans speak with to other Cal fans or graduates of other universities is condescending. For example, I attended Cal in the late 70's... I watched my son work his fanny off to prepare for college and he knew that, even though he is an outstanding student, he wouldn't be accepted.... he could have chosen to attend the JC and transfer into Cal like a couple of his good friends have done. He wanted to go to a 4 year university for all 4 years. Nowhere did I tell you that Oregon is on par with Cal... I told you that it is a good school., His 2 roommates are California kids who chose to go to Oregon. Both are pre-med and one will finish in 3 years.... he was accepted @ UCLA and still chose Oregon. Saying Oregon is the best public university in Oregon etc. etc. is condescending.... duly noted about you..

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+1. I'm always amazed when some Cal fans feel a need to constant reassurance to themselves that we are a top university. Top universities don't need to keep bragging about this because they know they are at the top. Cal is undeniably at the top, but honestly, some of the fans make it seem like they still have to prove it to the world. There's no need to put down other schools, we just keep doing our own thing.

In all seriousness, you don't see kids from Harvard constantly posting rankings from US news....it's pretty embarrassing that some Cal fans still feel a need to brag.

CalBearinLA;842639147 said:

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+1. I'm always amazed when some Cal fans feel a need to constant reassurance to themselves that we are a top university. Top universities don't need to keep bragging about this because they know they are at the top. Cal is undeniably at the top, but honestly, some of the fans make it seem like they still have to prove it to the world. There's no need to put down other schools, we just keep doing our own thing.

In all seriousness, you don't see kids from Harvard constantly posting rankings from US news....it's pretty embarrassing that some Cal fans still feel a need to brag.

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Playing devil's advocate here - I think part of it comes from being public and therefore underrated by many. Look at Northwestern claiming to be undefeated against its academic peers (ignoring defeats to Cal and Michigan). There's a real sense out there that public schools of any caliber are not the equivalent of private schools. If we aren't our strongest advocates then who will be? I remember my mother-in-law once saying that a friend had gotten cheap and sent their kid to Berkeley instead of UPenn. I said Berkeley is probably a better school so it's a win-win for them. It was clear she didn't think so, primarily because one is Ivy and one is public (she lives in the northeast).

It also gives me a chuckle when people of older generations who probably wouldn't have come anywhere close to getting into Cal knock other schools. Hell, I didn't have a 4.5 GPA in high school so I probably wouldn't be accepted to Cal now. Oregon has some top notch programs like their education department, advertising and sports business. I read a comment from the Arizona game on CGB that I felt made a lot of sense, it is very "Stanford" of our fan base to act so condescending and arrogant.

petalumabear;842639140 said:

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you know, my son is a huge Cal fan... he attended the Cal Arizona hoops game on Saturday. The "tone" that some Cal alums/fans speak with to other Cal fans or graduates of other universities is condescending. For example, I attended Cal in the late 70's... I watched my son work his fanny off to prepare for college and he knew that, even though he is an outstanding student, he wouldn't be accepted.... he could have chosen to attend the JC and transfer into Cal like a couple of his good friends have done. He wanted to go to a 4 year university for all 4 years. Nowhere did I tell you that Oregon is on par with Cal... I told you that it is a good school., His 2 roommates are California kids who chose to go to Oregon. Both are pre-med and one will finish in 3 years.... he was accepted @ UCLA and still chose Oregon. Saying Oregon is the best public university in Oregon etc. etc. is condescending.... duly noted about you..

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Cal grads can be condescending, no doubt. However, the student profile at ucla is identical to Cal. If he got into ucla he would have been accepted to Cal via JC for sure or by simply saying his parents didn't attend college on his Cal app!

Actually ... the reference was to "academics" in an athletic context ...
Some schools "take care" to ensure athletes do well as "students" ...
and referencing UC Berkeley's ratings vs others is just ... Fact.
Athletes have to be students at Cal, competing against well-prepared, smart non-athletes.

WhipItOutJoe;842639144 said:

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I agree PB. It makes me cringe when people here feel the need to put down other schools. That said, it is a fan board so I usually just chalk it up to normal fan smack talk. I have friends with kids at Oregon, and they too are enjoying the experience and the parents are proud of their kids.

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But if we don't put them down who will? Just kidding . Education is entirely what you make of it. Getting in is tough yes but getting something out of it an entirely different matter. It's not osmosis.

MoragaBear;842639257 said:

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The point some are making is that Weaver mentioned education was one of his primary criterias in choosing Cal and objectively, Oregon's not in Cal's vicinity in that regard so we'll find out exactly how important the educational aspect is in reality for Weaver soon enough.

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Don't all recruits who commit(or pre commit) to Cal state publicly that academics is a priority whether it's true or not?

Hope his in house visit with Cal coaches Thursday goes great

What is last day of contact ?

PDXCalFan;842639166 said:

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It also gives me a chuckle when people of older generations who probably wouldn't have come anywhere close to getting into Cal knock other schools. Hell, I didn't have a 4.5 GPA in high school so I probably wouldn't be accepted to Cal now. Oregon has some top notch programs like their education department, advertising and sports business. I read a comment from the Arizona game on CGB that I felt made a lot of sense, it is very "Stanford" of our fan base to act so condescending and arrogant.

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+1

petalumabear;842639127 said:

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I would disagree with that statement as well. My son is an undergrad there and is getting a very good education. He is friends with a couple of the players and has had them in class as well. You get out of a school what you put into it. whether you are an athlete or just a student.. he is an excellent student - as are some of his football buddies - so the perception is not necessarily reality... the whole notion of tearing down another PXII school a la Shocky is absolute BS in my opinion.

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"You get out of a school what you put into it" is simply not a true statement. That is a fairy tale wish that is not based in reality. No matter how much a student puts in at Oregon, that degree will not open the same doors that a Cal degree or a degree from Stanfurd or Harvard will. That's the truth.

I see nothing wrong with highlighting the inferiority of the academics and degrees of lesser universities. Oregon and other less challenging schools use our academics against us, telling recruits that it's too hard and that they can't hack it at Cal. They also criticize us for having a nerdy student body, an athletically disinterested faculty, fanbase, etc. They did quite a bit of criticizing of us for not being a "football school" when the tree-sitter madness was going on.

There is nothing wrong with telling people the truth about the superiority of Cal academics and the Cal degree.

SurvivorOf1and10fkaLEA;842639305 said:

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"You get out of a school what you put into it" is simply not a true statement...
There is nothing wrong with telling people the truth about the superiority of Cal academics and the Cal degree.

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I think your statement is simply not true. I know firsthand many Cal graduates who have used their "superior Cal degree" to no great benefit. Maybe -- just maybe -- the reason so many Cal students succeed is because they are driven individuals, which is why they got into Cal in the first place. You're mistaking correlation with causality.

Anyway, I went to an Ivy League school & a top 15 MBA school, and I had a boss a few years back who didn't even graduate from college. But he worked hard, had good people skills, and didn't let the name on a piece of paper dictate his life. Now you could say he was extraordinarily successful, or you could say I'm a huge failure -- both are probably true.

ThesePretzels;842639381 said:

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I think your statement is simply not true. I know firsthand many Cal graduates who have used their "superior Cal degree" to no great benefit. Maybe -- just maybe -- the reason so many Cal students succeed is because they are driven individuals, which is why they got into Cal in the first place. You're mistaking correlation with causality.

Anyway, I went to an Ivy League school & a top 15 MBA school, and I had a boss a few years back who didn't even graduate from college. But he worked hard, had good people skills, and didn't let the name on a piece of paper dictate his life. Now you could say he was extraordinarily successful, or you could say I'm a huge failure -- both are probably true.

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Bravo

ThesePretzels;842639381 said:

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I think your statement is simply not true. I know firsthand many Cal graduates who have used their "superior Cal degree" to no great benefit. Maybe -- just maybe -- the reason so many Cal students succeed is because they are driven individuals, which is why they got into Cal in the first place. You're mistaking correlation with causality.

Anyway, I went to an Ivy League school & a top 15 MBA school, and I had a boss a few years back who didn't even graduate from college. But he worked hard, had good people skills, and didn't let the name on a piece of paper dictate his life. Now you could say he was extraordinarily successful, or you could say I'm a huge failure -- both are probably true.

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I don't know which schools you attended, but didn't they teach you that using an exception to prove the rule is a logical fallacy? You have also engaged in the fallacy of making a strawman argument. Nowhere did I say that a Cal degree is a guarantee for success or that someone without a good college degree cannot succeed. I made neither of those necessary or sufficient truth propositions.

My statement was that it is false to say that the quality of education at Oregon and Cal are the same and that it just depends on how much you put into. It is also false to believe that an Oregon degree can have the same value as a Cal degree as long as you study hard enough. There are just some opportunities that will be closed to an Oregon grad that are open to Cal grads.

What's interesting about your story is that even your no-college-degree boss hired a Ivy League grad with a top 15 MBA. Would he have hired you without your credentials? Why did you even go through all that (time and money) when you could have received the same education from $1.50 in late charges at the public library? The truth is that the things that maybe shouldn't matter do matter in real life.

WhipItOutJoe;842639144 said:

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I agree PB. It makes me cringe when people here feel the need to put down other schools. That said, it is a fan board so I usually just chalk it up to normal fan smack talk. I have friends with kids at Oregon, and they too are enjoying the experience and the parents are proud of their kids.

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Its pretty much all we have considering the football results as of late.