Wow, Cal has a lot of out of state commits

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Larno;842640116 said:

I applaud the out-of-state recruiting. With the tighter academic requirements Cal needs to expand the pool, and as a previous poster pointed out California has a mystique for many players from other states. Yeah, UCLA and USC get the good California kids, but USC has always recruited nationally and many of their top players from the past have been from out-of-state. Yes, California has many good prospects, but Texas has more and the South in general has a ton. Do the top local kids come to Cal? One of the best linemen in the state, an absolute beast from Folsom, is going to Alabama. And his coach was Troy Taylor, from Cal. The best running back in the nation next year, from Antioch, is going to Alabama. Maybe he couldn't qualify at Cal, but if he could, would he come here? Cal needs to build the program, build the allure. If it takes kids from out of state, kids who are incredibly excited about coming to Berkeley, then so be it.


SC has traditionally targeted the California first then attempts to cherry pick top players from around the nation. Moraga points out that many California kids are leaving the state which forces SC, Cal and UCLA to look outside the state. Stanford has always recruited nationally. It's a different world for SC, Cal and UCLA. I like the fact that all 3 schools have gone after the California kids first, next year I hope we all return to this strategy.
socalBear23
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I am guessing Gale Gilbert's son Garrett. qb from TX
LocoOso
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socalBear23;842640743 said:

I am guessing Gale Gilbert's son Garrett. qb from TX


Garrett Gilbert went to high school in Austin, TX
LocoOso
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beelzebear;842640542 said:

Right...point to Romo, and ignore: Rodgers, Brady, Goff, Palmer, Morton, Kapp, Plunkett.

Yup, I agree with you guys now. California JUST SUCKS. It can't produce QBs. It has no legacy in FB despite the West Coast offense, Air Coryell.


No one is making that argument. You stated that Tony Romo was a Cali guy. He isn't. You also stated UCLA's best QB's have all been Cali born and bred. Their last 3 great ones prior to Josh Rosen were all from out of state.
SonOfCalVa
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LocoOso;842640516 said:

Tony Romo grew up in Wisconsin and played his college ball at Eastern Illinois.


Don't forget that we got Zack and his half-bro tagged along.
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LocoOso;842640789 said:

No one is making that argument. You stated that Tony Romo was a Cali guy. He isn't. You also stated UCLA's best QB's are all Cali born and bred. Their last 3 great ones prior to Josh Rosen were all from out of state.


Whatever...don't recruit California and CA QBs at your own peril. The list is long and starts with Brady, Rodgers, Palmer and now Goff. For pete sake, the best QB in the world went to Cal and is from California and the guy behind him (Brady) dad wanted him to go to Cal.

If you guys think Cal can win without a QB from California, okay...show me a good QB at Cal who wasn't from California. So far there's Robertson, Maynard and Mansion. Who is on your list?

The best FB talent in the U.S. is from California and to not recruit well in state, as the University of California, is dumb and ridiculous.
going4roses
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Lol @ the best hs Fb talent is from Ca
beelzebear
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going4roses;842640795 said:

Lol @ the best hs Fb talent is from Ca


So Rodgers, Lynch and Brady suck? You tell ARodg and Lynch CA big boy.
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+1 - face it, the coaches' recruiting contacts are in the South (I consider Texas as part of the South). They are looking where they know the territory. Never before in the last 50 plus years of which I am aware have over half of Cal's offers been out of state.
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socalBear23;842640743 said:

I am guessing Gale Gilbert's son Garrett. qb from TX


He is talking about Andrew Luck who some believe was Cal bound until he visited and saw the facilities at the time
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beelzebear;842640792 said:

Whatever...don't recruit California and CA QBs at your own peril. The list is long and starts with Brady, Rodgers, Palmer and now Goff. For pete sake, the best QB in the world went to Cal and is from California and the guy behind him (Brady) dad wanted him to go to Cal.

If you guys think Cal can win without a QB from California, okay...show me a good QB at Cal who wasn't from California. So far there's Robertson, Maynard and Mansion. Who is on your list?

The best FB talent in the U.S. is from California and to not recruit well in state, as the University of California, is dumb and ridiculous.


You're insinuating that our staff is choosing/targeting out of state recruits over Cali recruits. I don't think that's the case at all.

Lately: We'd LOVE to get the top local kids, but it's a struggle, because the narrative here is that "Cal is not a winning program" and all the locals are quite aware of it. To counter that, we go to other areas where we have contacts and try and create a new narrative: Come play football in the Pac 12, in Caifornia, at the world's best public university! The area's great and so's the weather. And we're soon gonna be winning (especially if you play here)!

Near future: We've put together a couple of winning seasons in a row and can now attract our share of the top kids in the state! And we'll mix in some top out-of-staters, too!
Strykur
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We can't even get local kids in recruiting, this has been quite irritating for awhile.
GB54
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Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr- QB's from Texas we can now recruit.
beeasyed
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don't know why this is still a shocker to our fanbase.

this staff would LOVE to land California studs, if they actually could. the fact is the cream of the crop don't currently view Cal as attractive option as a UCLA, USC or Furd. until we start winning, that won't change, even with stronger recruiters.

so the other option is to cast your net wider and use your existing Southern connections.

this isn't a conscious "let's not recruit California" decision. the staff certainly isn't saying let's not recruit the Stephen Johnson, Boss Tagaloa, Adarius Pickett, Isaiah Langley, Jack Jack, Javon McKinley, and DJ Calhoun. more like "let's recruit wherever kids will buy our pitch"

frankly, at this point where we haven't won any games against our biggest recruiting rivals (UCLA, Furd, USC, in that order), i don't give a sh*t where our recruits come from--AS LONG AS they're talented. guys like Duncan, Edmonds...doesnt matter they're from the South. but if you're recruiting projects and bench warmers, why not get them from local schools?
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OaktownBear;842640799 said:

He is talking about Andrew Luck who some believe was Cal bound until he visited and saw the facilities at the time




But didn't Andrew Luck go to Stratford High School in Houston? Luck is not from Plano, Texas.

Also, I think both of Andrew Luck's sisters went to Stanford, so I don't know that there was a realistic scenario of Luck ever coming to Cal.
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jaccpot10;842640982 said:

But didn't Andrew Luck go to Stratford High School in Houston? Luck is not from Plano, Texas.

Also, I think both of Andrew Luck's sisters went to Stanford, so I don't know that there was a realistic scenario of Luck ever coming to Cal.


I don't know what city Luck is from or whether he would have come to Cal, but the statement referred to is a statement that Luck was purported to have made on his visit. If WIAF has referred to the wrong city, okay, but the guy he is talking about is Luck.
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OaktownBear;842641090 said:

I don't know what city Luck is from or whether he would have come to Cal, but the statement referred to is a statement that Luck was purported to have made on his visit. If WIAF has referred to the wrong city, okay, but the guy he is talking about is Luck.


Yup its Luck and the comment from JT was about Plano. So JT got it wrong when he told the story, but the point remains. Not sure I would recall exactly every city every recruit came from either. And Luck was very interested in coming to Cal, as Furd was transitioning coaches, had a terrible record, and Cal was something of an elite program at that time (ad JT still was considered a QB guru).
going4roses
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Strykur;842640814 said:

We can't even get local kids in recruiting, this has been quite irritating for awhile.


You pay for what you get no free rides here
beeasyed
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Great. on the wrong end of the spotlight again.

Quote:

"Rivals Roundtable: Excitement, anxiety heading into Signing Day"

1. What school should be most concerned heading into National Signing Day?

California. Despite residing in one of the most fruitful states in the land, the Golden Bears might not crack the top five in the Pac-12 Conference recruiting rankings. On top of that, Sonny Dykes has seen the top local prospects in the 2016 class look elsewhere – Jonah Williams, Devin Asiasi, Lamar Jackson, Camilo Eifler, Jordan Parker, Boss Tagaloa and Shurod Thompson all rank inside the top 25 in the state, but appear to be leaving the Northern California area for college. Losing so many battles in its own backyard certainly won’t help Cal’s rebuilding efforts and that's definitely a concern, especially with how well rival Stanford has done. - Blair Angulo, West Coast analyst


https://n.rivals.com/news/rivals-roundtable-excitement-anxiety-heading-into-signing-day

granted, the list of prospects this guy is naming isn't quite accurate for this class, but the message and general sentiment is.

would be nice if Cal had some positive national recruiting momentum again...
going4roses
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Bs story that is coming from regional writer that is clueless

Probably one of the guys that thinks weaver is a 3 star
SonOfCalVa
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going4roses;842642252 said:

Bs story that is coming from regional writer that is clueless

Probably one of the guys that thinks weaver is a 3 star


Some always want to concentrate on who we didn't get rather than the ones we got.
It's a very nice class especially considering our recent results.
beeasyed
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well here's a running list of some of the local guys we've missed on since the 2013 class till now...

edit: oh, and list doesn't include some "didn't even give us time of day" guys like Kahlil McKenzie (Concord) and Jonah Williams (Folsom); obvious academic casualties we wouldn't have made exceptions for, like Shurod Thompson; and obviously doesn't include of the Socal guys, anything Bakersfield and lower pretty much.

Justin Davis (Stockton) - USC
Eddie Vanderdoes (Auburn) - UCLA
Austin Hooper (Concord) - Stanford
Elijah Qualls (Petaluma) - Washington
Michael Hutchings (Concord) - USC
Kevin King (Oakland) - Washington
LJ Moore (Fresno) - Oklahoma
Hatari Byrd (Fresno) - Oklahoma
John Johnson (Fresno) - UCLA
John Mundt (Modesto) - Oregon
Kolton Miller (Roseville) - UCLA
Bobby Keenan (Sac) - Oregon State [son of 2 Cal grads]
Michiah Quick (Fresno) - Oklahoma
Joe Mixon (Oakley) - Oklahoma
Nick Wilson (Fresno) - Arizona
Nifae Lealao (Sac) - Vanderbilt
Matt Dickerson (San Mateo) - UCLA
DJ Calhoun (El Cerrito) - Arizona State
Adarius Pickett (El Cerrito) - UCLA
Lavon Washington (Oakland) - Washington
Dru Samia (Danville) - Oklahoma
Jack Dreyer (San Mateo) - Stanford
Jake Browning (Folsom) - Washington
Johnny Capra (Auburn) - Utah
Cody Creason (Folsom) - Arizona
Stephen Johnson (San Leandro) - UCLA
Tyler Petite (Moraga) - USC
Jacob Daniel (Fresno) - USC
Jason Scrempos (Milpitas) - Washington
Matt Snyder (San Ramon) - Nebraska
Takk McKinley (San Pablo) - UCLA
Isaiah Langley (Pleasanton) - USC
Ainuu Taua (Lompoc) - UCLA
Simba Short (Concord) - Northwestern
Jacob Capra (Auburn) - Oregon
Jordan Parker (Pittsburg) - Oklahoma
Caleb Kelly (Fresno) - ???
Boss Tagaloa (Concord) - ???
Devin Asiasi (Concord) - ???

26/36 guys signed or committed to PAC12 schools.
UCLA: 8
USC: 5
UW: 5
socaliganbear
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Welp.....
LACalFan
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beeasyed;842642263 said:

well here's a running list of some of the local guys we've missed on since the 2013 class till now...

edit: oh, and list doesn't include some "didn't even give us time of day" guys like Kahlil McKenzie (Concord) and Jonah Williams (Folsom); obvious academic casualties we wouldn't have made exceptions for, like Shurod Thompson; and obviously doesn't include of the Socal guys, anything Bakersfield and lower pretty much.

Justin Davis (Stockton) - USC
Eddie Vanderdoes (Auburn) - UCLA
Austin Hooper (Concord) - Stanford
Elijah Qualls (Petaluma) - Washington
Michael Hutchings (Concord) - USC
Kevin King (Oakland) - Washington
LJ Moore (Fresno) - Oklahoma
Hatari Byrd (Fresno) - Oklahoma
John Johnson (Fresno) - UCLA
John Mundt (Modesto) - Oregon
Kolton Miller (Roseville) - UCLA
Bobby Keenan (Sac) - Oregon State [son of 2 Cal grads]
Michiah Quick (Fresno) - Oklahoma
Joe Mixon (Oakley) - Oklahoma
Nick Wilson (Fresno) - Arizona
Nifae Lealao (Sac) - Vanderbilt
Matt Dickerson (San Mateo) - UCLA
DJ Calhoun (El Cerrito) - Arizona State
Adarius Pickett (El Cerrito) - UCLA
Lavon Washington (Oakland) - Washington
Dru Samia (Danville) - Oklahoma
Jack Dreyer (San Mateo) - Stanford
Jake Browning (Folsom) - Washington
Johnny Capra (Auburn) - Utah
Cody Creason (Folsom) - Arizona
Stephen Johnson (San Leandro) - UCLA
Tyler Petite (Moraga) - USC
Jacob Daniel (Fresno) - USC
Jason Scrempos (Milpitas) - Washington
Matt Snyder (San Ramon) - Nebraska
Takk McKinley (San Pablo) - UCLA
Isaiah Langley (Pleasanton) - USC
Ainuu Taua (Lompoc) - UCLA
Simba Short (Concord) - Northwestern
Jacob Capra (Auburn) - Oregon
Jordan Parker (Pittsburg) - Oklahoma
Caleb Kelly (Fresno) - ???
Boss Tagaloa (Concord) - ???
Devin Asiasi (Concord) - ???

26/36 guys signed or committed to PAC12 schools.
UCLA: 8
USC: 5
UW: 5


Yikes. That's not a whole lot of fun to look at. IIRC, a few of those might have been in the academic casualty catagory (Qualls & Byrd?), and a few we weren't interested in (Leolao, Washington and Browning until way too late).
going4roses
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I wonder if we paid competitive coaching salaries of those names + qualified could we have pulled

Jt was over paid plus assistant pay did not keep up
beelzebear
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beeasyed;842642263 said:

well here's a running list of some of the local guys we've missed on since the 2013 class till now...

edit: oh, and list doesn't include some "didn't even give us time of day" guys like Kahlil McKenzie (Concord) and Jonah Williams (Folsom); obvious academic casualties we wouldn't have made exceptions for, like Shurod Thompson; and obviously doesn't include of the Socal guys, anything Bakersfield and lower pretty much.

Justin Davis (Stockton) - USC
Eddie Vanderdoes (Auburn) - UCLA
Austin Hooper (Concord) - Stanford
Elijah Qualls (Petaluma) - Washington
Michael Hutchings (Concord) - USC
Kevin King (Oakland) - Washington
LJ Moore (Fresno) - Oklahoma
Hatari Byrd (Fresno) - Oklahoma
John Johnson (Fresno) - UCLA
John Mundt (Modesto) - Oregon
Kolton Miller (Roseville) - UCLA
Bobby Keenan (Sac) - Oregon State [son of 2 Cal grads]
Michiah Quick (Fresno) - Oklahoma
Joe Mixon (Oakley) - Oklahoma
Nick Wilson (Fresno) - Arizona
Nifae Lealao (Sac) - Vanderbilt
Matt Dickerson (San Mateo) - UCLA
DJ Calhoun (El Cerrito) - Arizona State
Adarius Pickett (El Cerrito) - UCLA
Lavon Washington (Oakland) - Washington
Dru Samia (Danville) - Oklahoma
Jack Dreyer (San Mateo) - Stanford
Jake Browning (Folsom) - Washington
Johnny Capra (Auburn) - Utah
Cody Creason (Folsom) - Arizona
Stephen Johnson (San Leandro) - UCLA
Tyler Petite (Moraga) - USC
Jacob Daniel (Fresno) - USC
Jason Scrempos (Milpitas) - Washington
Matt Snyder (San Ramon) - Nebraska
Takk McKinley (San Pablo) - UCLA
Isaiah Langley (Pleasanton) - USC
Ainuu Taua (Lompoc) - UCLA
Simba Short (Concord) - Northwestern
Jacob Capra (Auburn) - Oregon
Jordan Parker (Pittsburg) - Oklahoma
Caleb Kelly (Fresno) - ???
Boss Tagaloa (Concord) - ???
Devin Asiasi (Concord) - ???

26/36 guys signed or committed to PAC12 schools.
UCLA: 8
USC: 5
UW: 5


That's sad and a bit pathetic.
 
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