New Oc / qb coach??? Need to know that first .

mbBear;842644027 said:

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Also..he is a cool prospect and all, but not sure what he does better than Luke? a little bigger build?

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He's as fast as Luke and outweighs him by 70 lbs. Either one is fine but Vic is a load that's going to be hard to bring down. A lot of options!

mbBear;842644051 said:

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I agree about the "early" part. Luke, is a legit 6 even...Chase can't be more than 2 inches taller. I got to see them next to each other at a post game event last year.

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Maybe I was taller on the day I spoke with him, and it threw me off!
😜
I blame the Vertical Set, and Buh.

SurvivorOf1and10fkaLEA;842644050 said:

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A physical alpha dog like Vic is usually able to win over teammates. He'll probably be a good leader and bring great intangibles to the table. Does he have the arm talent and accuracy to win the job? Probably not after 1 fall camp.

Forrest's slow delivery concerns me, and he seems to have the least upside. Luke's size and arm strength concern me. I'm rooting for Gilliam because he seems to be the most complete guy we have in terms of arm, size, and running ability. Ross is #2 in my book in terms of well roundedness.

Honestly, I have no clue. I'd be happy with whoever, and I think we have enough talent there that we should be okay on offense. I'm rooting for Gilliam/Ross to be the 1 and 2 to start the season and for Vic to be waiting in the wings in case they falter.

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guess, just a guess: Forrest/Bowers based on time and experience in the program.

Luke, ahhhhh no, he's been passed by (kinda his choice since he didn't want to 'shirt - but kudos for playing time at safety to help the Team) ... maybe he'll want safety again instead of wearing head phones in games.
Scout Team QBs ...
Gilliam, early entrance but will really lag behind the "veterans" but sounds like he's intense in S&C ... - 'shirt
Vic, no early entry, very "raw" - 'shirt ... but he'll be a helluva scout team QB before games like Texass and others with running QBs.

OTOH, just guesses and the coaches will sort them out through active competition.

Could we poach Buffalo?

jyamada;842644060 said:

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He's as fast as Luke and outweighs him by 70 lbs. Either one is fine but Vic is a load that's going to be hard to bring down. A lot of options!

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Vic weighs 265? Wow.

GATC;842644067 said:

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Vic weighs 265? Wow.

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he's close to 240...def not 265.

beeasyed;842644069 said:

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he's close to 240...def not 265.

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My bad. I thought Luke was 170. Who knows......in a year, Vicious Vic could be 265 after weight training at Cal! 😀

Vic at 265 that would be a Lb at The Qb spot

beeasyed;842644069 said:

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he's close to 240...def not 265.

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Just kidding. Just responding to how short and small people think Luke is. He is listed as 195 which is 5 pounds heavier than Forrest, Bowers and Gilliam and 45 lighter than Viramontes. He is listed at 6'0" which is 2" shorter than Forrest, Bowers and Gilliam and 1" shorter than Viramontes. Based on seeing the first 3 in their cleats, I suspect that all those heights are with shoes. The listed heights of Goff and Hinder were accurate (in their shoes) but the listed height for Kline was generous.

ManhattanMadMan;842644026 said:

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Vic

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Boom

I am securely not the dude who clamors for the new guy. I actually hate that.

But this kid is a football player

My order of likelihood:

Forrest
Bowers
Gilliam
Tie: Rubenzer in September / Vicious Vic in November

Are we sticking with the air raid type offense for the new coordinator?

Yes

dajo9;842644104 said:

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My order of likelihood:

Forrest
Bowers
Gilliam
Tie: Rubenzer in September / Vicious Vic in November

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Based on hair and looking like someone famous? If Zach Kline walks on, he should be the favorite - great hair and he really looks like Tom Cruise and has his swagger.

GATC;842644127 said:

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Based on hair and looking like someone famous? If Zach Kline walks on, he should be the favorite - great hair and he really looks like Tom Cruise and has his swagger.

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Kline a Scientology freak? ... needs to get a lot shorter.

I would suspect that the new OC might be a quarterbacks coach, too. He should have a major input in the final decision (especially if he's the guy from TAMU). I saw the highlites of Gilliam & Viramontes on tv last night on Greg Biggins two hour recruiting special.. Both can run the football. Gilliam is the superior passer right now. I have a feeling that these two guys will emerge as the top two field generals. GO BEARS!

I'm holding out for Jesus in cleats.

Whoever it is, I hope they leave no doubt about it.

UrsusTexicanus;842644159 said:

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I'm holding out for Jesus in cleats.

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So how tall would that make him? Apparently it's important.

The funny thing about this thread is that the thread was designed to excite us about the QB battle.
But everyone chimes in with problems with this QB or that QB and now I'm depressed.

I mean I'm depressed about the whole Luke thing because I think he ends up without a position, and if he wins the QB job, that is probably a default win not a knock it out of the park win. I hope I'm wrong.

I'm depressed about what folks say about Forrest. What I saw was different. And I watched a few practices. I don't think his arm or release are a problem any more than anybody else that isn't Goff. And he makes good decision and good progressions. I don't think he will go downfield as deeply or frequently as Goff but I think he can throw for 300 yards on occasion.

I'm depressed about Viramontes "transferring" if he loses the job. Geez, he is true frosh. He needs to develop as a passer. Rub was a better passer coming out of HS and he still needs to develop. He could be a good special teams contributor and even return punts in the meantime. I like the guys quickness and footwork both in and out of the pocket. He's kind of like Vernon Adams in his scramble style.

I'm depressed about how many short QBs we have. I guess Gilliam is really the only guy with height. Regardless of the system and the degree of running we do at QB, we need a QB with the height to make good reads.

But mostly I'm depressed that none of them are Goff.

I guess I won't worry and I'll be happy.

A lot of depression

Why worry about height? It's rarely a difference maker in college. Some of the best QBs in in the Pac in recent memory have been 6'1" or shorter. That's the least of my worries about the QB position.

heartofthebear;842644219 said:

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The funny thing about this thread is that the thread was designed to excite us about the QB battle.
But everyone chimes in with problems with this QB or that QB and now I'm depressed.

I mean I'm depressed about the whole Luke thing because I think he ends up without a position, and if he wins the QB job, that is probably a default win not a knock it out of the park win. I hope I'm wrong.

I'm depressed about what folks say about Forrest. What I saw was different. And I watched a few practices. I don't think his arm or release are a problem any more than anybody else that isn't Goff. And he makes good decision and good progressions. I don't think he will go downfield as deeply or frequently as Goff but I think he can throw for 300 yards on occasion.

I'm depressed about Viramontes "transferring" if he loses the job. Geez, he is true frosh. He needs to develop as a passer. Rub was a better passer coming out of HS and he still needs to develop. He could be a good special teams contributor and even return punts in the meantime. I like the guys quickness and footwork both in and out of the pocket. He's kind of like Vernon Adams in his scramble style.

I'm depressed about how many short QBs we have. I guess Gilliam is really the only guy with height. Regardless of the system and the degree of running we do at QB, we need a QB with the height to make good reads.

But mostly I'm depressed that none of them are Goff.

I guess I won't worry and I'll be happy.

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You need more heart

Unit2Sucks;842644243 said:

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Why worry about height? It's rarely a difference maker in college. Some of the best QBs in in the Pac in recent memory have been 6'1" or shorter. That's the least of my worries about the QB position.

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I worry about height because I'm only 5'6"

give me a break. without goff we are going to have a huge drop off in qb play. sonny says we will figure it out in the spring. thats good news.

I think it was clear that Luke was asked to redshirt to play QB last year, as he was behind Chase. He said no, he wanted to play anywhere, so they put him at Safety. But he was behind Chase coming out of spring.

I can see them using him again like they used him last year - coming off the bench to provide a spark running or passing. I am sure they will provide some plays specifically for him. But I would think the current QB battle is between Chase, Bowers and Gilliam.

It will be interesting to see what happens. I think any of these guys could be very good. One thing that Dykes has been able to do over the course of time is to develop QBs.

My boys and I saw, chatted with and took a picture with Chase Forrest over Christmas break. I am 6 foot 3. He seems either my height or within half an inch of me.

What's so great about Tom Cruise's hair??? Looks pretty standard and nondescript to me.....

dajo9;842643914 said:

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We go into Spring Ball next month with 4 contenders for the coveted job of quarterback in a Bear Raid offense (plus one arriving in fall).

Lead Candidate - Chase Forrest actually has some reps in game time and he looked decent. He also has great hair. Reminds me of a young Morrissey.
Underdog - Can Ross Bowers come from the scout team to take the job? He also has really good hair. Reminds me of a young Tom Cruise.
Prodigal Son - Can Luke Rubenzer return from the safety position to win the job many thought he owned a year ago at this time? His hair is fine. Dead ringer for Johnny Manziel.
Dark Horse - Max Gilliam - Is enrolled and will be competing this spring. Will be tough for him to come in and win but you never know. His hair is also fine. Like a young Heath Ledger.
Longshot - Vicous Vic Viramontes will be arriving in the fall so it would be a big shock for him to win. His hair says Uncle Rico but the rest of him says the Rock. Can't wait to see what this kid can do on the field.

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Too bad Ryan Gosling is leaving.

VicV is interesting ... wonder if we'll see him in as RB, and the return of dual-threat, run or pass which we haven't seen for quite a while. Great size and throws well which will be improved with coaching. Joe Kapp toughness.

Oski87;842644356 said:

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I think it was clear that Luke was asked to redshirt to play QB last year, as he was behind Chase. He said no, he wanted to play anywhere, so they put him at Safety. But he was behind Chase coming out of spring.

I can see them using him again like they used him last year - coming off the bench to provide a spark running or passing. I am sure they will provide some plays specifically for him. But I would think the current QB battle is between Chase, Bowers and Gilliam.

It will be interesting to see what happens. I think any of these guys could be very good. One thing that Dykes has been able to do over the course of time is to develop QBs.

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That isn't what happened. Luke was told that there would be no messing around with taking Goff out in the middle of games in 2015. Luke was already playing D in Spring ball.

SonOfCalVa;842644461 said:

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VicV is interesting ... wonder if we'll see him in as RB, and the return of dual-threat, run or pass which we haven't seen for quite a while. Great size and throws well which will be improved with coaching. Joe Kapp toughness.

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OMG you nailed it - Vicious Vic is a dead ringer for Joe Kapp. Can somebody more skilled than me put up some pics of the two (after Vic's haircut).

Start him. Raw, unskilled or whatever - put him in

LOL. funny stuff in this thread. love all the hair stuff.

Forrest has to be the starter. Unless Gilliam or Vic come in as the next....tebow or johnny football, the kid going into his 3rd year in the system HAS to be the starter. it's a bad sign otherwise of how the "program" development is progressing.

Forrest from a recruiting standpoint is a conundrum to me. Big program. Decent #s. Strong arm. very reasonable tape. very surprised he wasn't more highly recruited. Might be suffering a bit from the previous history of MD QBs but still. Kid looked say as good as Kessler as a HS kid. anyways. Forrest SHOULD be the starter leaving the spring I would hope.

More interesting is what happens if he goes down. It looks like they are DEFINITELY trending towards dual threat. Spavital also hints at this.

dajo9;842644469 said:

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OMG you nailed it - Vicious Vic is a dead ringer for Joe Kapp. Can somebody more skilled than me put up some pics of the two (after Vic's haircut).

Start him. Raw, unskilled or whatever - put him in
:rollinglaugh: :p

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fify
uh, sure ... a few weeks of fall camp then ... uh huh