Republican nomination:

Trump -121
Cruz +185

General Election:

Clinton -237
Trump +638

With the Repub mess, I am leaning Hillary. But -237 (wager $237 to win $100) is mighty steep odds.

I hope Trump gets the Republican nomination. Idiocracy>>>Theocracy

They all suck

FCBear;842676900 said:

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They all suck

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Emphasis on All.

I see no odds on Oski. He'll win hands down. Beer for all!

It better be free beer and drugs or he'll never win.

Do you think this disclosure would make any difference to those who support Hillary. I doubt it, she could rob a bank, abuse a minor, kill someone and she would still get 47% of the vote.

As a 27 year old staff attorney for the House Judiciary committee during the Watergate investigation, Hillary Rodham was fired by her supervisor, lifelong Democrat Jerry Zeifman.

When asked why Hillary Rodham was fired, Zeifman said in an interview, "Because she was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer, she conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the Committee, and the rules of confidentiality."

Sonofoski;842676980 said:

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Do you think this disclosure would make any difference to those who support Hillary. I doubt it, she could rob a bank, abuse a minor, kill someone and she would still get 47% of the vote.

As a 27 year old staff attorney for the House Judiciary committee during the Watergate investigation, Hillary Rodham was fired by her supervisor, lifelong Democrat Jerry Zeifman.

When asked why Hillary Rodham was fired, Zeifman said in an interview, "Because she was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer, she conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the Committee, and the rules of confidentiality."

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That's just his opinion. LOL. By the way, Snopes calls B.S. on it. http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp

I am no fan of Hillary's. That guy you see with a clothespin on his nose as he walks into the voting booth will be me.

Snopes is one dude, his wife and a cat connected to the internet.

Sonofoski;842676980 said:

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Do you think this disclosure would make any difference to those who support Hillary. I doubt it, she could rob a bank, abuse a minor, kill someone and she would still get 47% of the vote.

As a 27 year old staff attorney for the House Judiciary committee during the Watergate investigation, Hillary Rodham was fired by her supervisor, lifelong Democrat Jerry Zeifman.

When asked why Hillary Rodham was fired, Zeifman said in an interview, "Because she was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer, she conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the Committee, and the rules of confidentiality."

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Wow - that's a pretty strong quote (that I've never heard of). What's the source and how credible is this?

I don't follow politics much...

Cal88;842676998 said:

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Snopes is one dude, his wife and a cat connected to the internet.

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I know! Great gig for them. The good part of what they do is document their reasons for their True/False conclusions, so you can decide for yourself. I find it an excellent starting point when my B.S. meter gets triggered. I don't disagree with many of their conclusions.

Sonofoski;842676980 said:

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Do you think this disclosure would make any difference to those who support Hillary. I doubt it, she could rob a bank, abuse a minor, kill someone and she would still get 47% of the vote.

As a 27 year old staff attorney for the House Judiciary committee during the Watergate investigation, Hillary Rodham was fired by her supervisor, lifelong Democrat Jerry Zeifman.

When asked why Hillary Rodham was fired, Zeifman said in an interview, "Because she was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer, she conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the Committee, and the rules of confidentiality."

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Cal88;842676998 said:

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Snopes is one dude, his wife and a cat connected to the internet.

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I knew it! Obama is a Kenyan Muslim!

Sonofoski;842676980 said:

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Do you think this disclosure would make any difference to those who support Hillary. I doubt it, she could rob a bank, abuse a minor, kill someone and she would still get 47% of the vote.

As a 27 year old staff attorney for the House Judiciary committee during the Watergate investigation, Hillary Rodham was fired by her supervisor, lifelong Democrat Jerry Zeifman.

When asked why Hillary Rodham was fired, Zeifman said in an interview, "Because she was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer, she conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the Committee, and the rules of confidentiality."

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So you're telling me that . . . someone who has been in politics a long time lies about stuff? You don't say.

travelingbears;842677002 said:

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Wow - that's a pretty strong quote (that I've never heard of). What's the source and how credible is this?

I don't follow politics much...

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This is a Presidential election, who needs credibility? There's too much at stake to tell the truth.

If only the founding fathers had thought this through, "none of the above" would carry the day

Sonofoski;842676980 said:

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Do you think this disclosure would make any difference to those who support Hillary. I doubt it, she could rob a bank, abuse a minor, kill someone and she would still get 47% of the vote.

As a 27 year old staff attorney for the House Judiciary committee during the Watergate investigation, Hillary Rodham was fired by her supervisor, lifelong Democrat Jerry Zeifman.

When asked why Hillary Rodham was fired, Zeifman said in an interview, "Because she was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer, she conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the Committee, and the rules of confidentiality."

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Color me surprised that we have a politician is dishonest.

I'm sure Bernie ain't a saint either.

travelingbears;842677002 said:

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Wow - that's a pretty strong quote (that I've never heard of). What's the source and how credible is this?

I don't follow politics much...

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As pointed out, it's false .... http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp

travelingbears;842677002 said:

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Wow - that's a pretty strong quote (that I've never heard of). What's the source and how credible is this?

I don't follow politics much...

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As pointed out, it's false .... http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp

Papitobear;842677032 said:

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Color me surprised that we have a politician is dishonest.

I'm sure Bernie ain't a saint either.

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False .... http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp

What are the odds on Bernie?? He might be worth a few ducats as a long shot and I assume the odds are good. That Hillary crew knows how to win at any cost (forget about truth, justice etc....) and has a proven record of recovering from seemingly impossible messes--"I did not inhale" "I never had sex with that woman" Whitewater, Benghazi, income tax audits on Foundation, security violations on server AND phone, etc.. etc... They seem to know how to win. GO BEARS!!!

GB54;842677028 said:

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If only the founding fathers had thought this through, "none of the above" would carry the day

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Have two candidates run in Nov as scheduled. Include 'None of the Above'. If 'None' wins, have a new election on January 20th, followed bu the inauguration in March as was done in early U.S. History. The January election now gives the candidates a chance to change their tune to win voters that clearly their messages didn't win in November. Not perfect because we still end up with a less than ideal candidate/president but it forces some changes in the bombast.

NVGolfingBear;842677053 said:

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Have two candidates run in Nov as scheduled. Include 'None of the Above'. If 'None' wins, have a new election on January 20th, followed bu the inauguration in March as was done in early U.S. History. The January election now gives the candidates a chance to change their tune to win voters that clearly their messages didn't win in November. Not perfect because we still end up with a less than ideal candidate/president but it forces some changes in the bombast.

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I would prefer disqualifying the candidates and requiring new ones if "None" wins.

NVGolfingBear;842677053 said:

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Have two candidates run in Nov as scheduled. Include 'None of the Above'. If 'None' wins, have a new election on January 20th, followed bu the inauguration in March as was done in early U.S. History. The January election now gives the candidates a chance to change their tune to win voters that clearly their messages didn't win in November. Not perfect because we still end up with a less than ideal candidate/president but it forces some changes in the bombast.

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None isn't going to win, though.

Papitobear;842677032 said:

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Color me surprised that we have a politician is dishonest.

I'm sure Bernie ain't a saint either.

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Sanders is a career politician who's been in Congress for 25+ years and whose net worth is less than what Hillary got in three speeches for Goldman Sachs.

76BearsFly;842677047 said:

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What are the odds on Bernie?? He might be worth a few ducats as a long shot and I assume the odds are good. That Hillary crew knows how to win at any cost (forget about truth, justice etc....) and has a proven record of recovering from seemingly impossible messes--"I did not inhale" "I never had sex with that woman" Whitewater, Benghazi, income tax audits on Foundation, security violations on server AND phone, etc.. etc... They seem to know how to win. GO BEARS!!!

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Somebody's still likely to be shot, indicted or moved aside.

There seems to be a difference of opinion on whether the story is true; depending which "TRUTHFUL" web site you go to.

According to TruthOrFiction web site:

After the Nixon impeachment investigation was finished, Zeifman fired Rodham and said he refused to give her a letter of recommendation.
According to TruthOfFiction.com, Zeifman said he regrets not reporting Rodham to the appropriate bar association.
But there is nothing to out-and-out confirm Zeifman's rendition. That doesn't mean it couldn't be the true, but it makes it difficult to arrive at the truth.
Finally, there has never been any response from Hillary Rodham Clinton to Zeifman's book or his accusations.


My comment; Draw your own conclusions.

As well, Snopes seems to be a bit selective about their Hillary Clinton factoid checks, they will authoritatively deny those vicious rumors about her picnic with Bigfoot, but won't address well-documented serious breeches like her cattle futures trades...

Cal88;842677069 said:

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Sanders is a career politician who's been in Congress for 25+ years and whose net worth is less than what Hillary got in three speeches for Goldman Sachs.

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Not getting paid from special interest groups is admirable, but is there a reason why he hasn't able to accumulate wealth over that period of time? He doesn't seem to lavish himself with material goods. Does he or family members have chronic illness? Does it all go to charity, does he not care about his retirement? I suppose he has a pension.

His net worth is around $500k, which is about what you'd expect for someone with a $174k income and 4 kids (3 with his ex that he is presumably supporting) living in a fairly expensive city.

There is some substance to his claim that he is not for sale.

Socialize medicine baby!

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/13/second-opinion-on-junior-doctors-strikes

Papitobear;842677032 said:

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Color me surprised that we have a politician is dishonest.

I'm sure Bernie ain't a saint either.

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Well, Bernie is going to the Vatican, so there is always hope he could named a saint. That hope thing worked out for the incumbent President.

wifeisafurd;842677238 said:

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Well, Bernie is going to the Vatican, so there is always hope he could named a saint. That hope thing worked out for the incumbent President.

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Microaggression.

burritos;842677118 said:

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....Does it all go to charity?...

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I wouldn't bet on that. Some opine it is the very reason he won't produce his tax returns....because when it comes to charity he throws nickels around like manhole covers.

burritos;842676872 said:

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I hope Trump gets the Republican nomination. Idiocracy>>>Theocracy

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You don't get that wealthy by being an idiot but all you will be able to afford is burritos if you get the liar or socialist elected.