How the heck did we lose to these clowns?

Brainsmile;842738572 said:

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How the heck did we lose to these clowns?

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we're still not very good is how.

see ASU getting boatraced by SC tonight and Texas losing by 3 scores to OSU.

Have u seem South bamas depth chart

We need to beat a CA team this year to show some improvement

oursdor;842738578 said:

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we're still not very good is how.

see ASU getting boatraced by SC tonight and Texas losing by 3 scores to OSU.

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You don't know that. College football is unpredictable for a number of reasons. I just know that, for the time being, we're a winning team. We beat two current decent teams to be here. In a transition year, this is an acceptable start.

chazzed;842738655 said:

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You don't know that.

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Beating us just means our offense didn't score enough points. When you play bad defense anyone can beat you.

SDSU is not very good. And Pumphrey isn't even a PAC 12 starter let alone Heisman contender. They are an ok MWC team and our offense screwed up.

falseintellect;842738684 said:

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Beating us just means our offense didn't score enough points. When you play bad defense anyone can beat you.

SDSU is not very good. And Pumphrey isn't even a PAC 12 starter let alone Heisman contender. They are an ok MWC team and our offense screwed up.

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Let's not go overboard here..Pumphrey is a decent RB that would start at a number of pac12 schools this year. He actually reminds me a lot of WSU's RB right now. He's pretty shifty but strong enough to take a hit. Thing is..that's really all SDSU has...their passing offense is atrocious.

MoragaBear;842738676 said:

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You mean the same SC team that Utah beat? The same Utah team that Cal beat?

It's called parity. And home field advantage in many cases.

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Exactly--now the negative nellies will say Utah is no good.

MoragaBear;842738676 said:

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It's called parity. And home field advantage in many cases.

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+10000

There have been many studies and all have confirmed that home field advantage plays a major effect on the performance of a football team.

Heck on Friday the announcers for the UW v Furd game showed it when they compared McCaffery's performance in home/neutral stadiums v true away games. Furd's Heisman hopeful RB gets about half the yardage when he is playing in a hostile stadium as he does playing in Palo Alto.

mvargus;842738821 said:

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+10000

There have been many studies and all have confirmed that home field advantage plays a major effect on the performance of a football team.

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I'd be curious to see these "many studies" you're referring to. Over the last two years, P5 home teams have gone 267-259, winning 50.8% of the time. That doesn't seem like a big home field advafange to me.

http://dataomaha.com/bigstory/sports/college-footballs-greatest-myth

TheSouseFamily;842738825 said:

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I'd be curious to see these "many studies" you're referring to. Over the last two years, P5 home teams have gone 267-259, winning 50.8% of the time. That doesn't seem like a big home field advafange to me.http://dataomaha.com/bigstory/sports/college-footballs-greatest-myth

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It may because we have blue colored glasses on. In that article, Cal has the biggest home vs road win differential in the P5. It could quite possibly mean we may have the best home field advantage in all of P5...or the worst away disadvantage

tommie317;842738833 said:

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It may because we have blue colored glasses on. In that article, Cal has the biggest home vs road win differential in the P5. It could quite possibly mean we may have the best home field advantage in all of P5...or the worst away disadvantage

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One of the disadvantages of the memorial renovation was that it made it a much less scarier place for visitors. Aside from giving up a few thousand seats, by all accounts the visiting locker room was atrocious and old places just have that eerie feeling. IIRC prior to Tedfords collapse in 2012, only 3 teams had beaten us at home during his tenure. SC and OSU twice and don't know the other team. Never been to Corvallis but been to many games at the coliseum and it's definitely a scary old place as well.

I never thought we should have renovated the visitor locker room. Somewhere there was a picture of it compared at the time to Oregon's new facilities. I was clear advantage for us at home. I also remember seeing a picture of a cooling tub, which I think was a mammoth feeding trough you you by at your nearby feedlot. That was also the same technology we were using when Oregon got its first indoor Jacuzzi center.

MoragaBear;842738931 said:

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Pac-12 play to-date:
Stanford 27 USC 10 at Stanford
Utah 31 USC 27 at Utah
ASU 51 Cal 41 at ASU
Stanford 22 UCLA 13 at Stanford
UW 35 Arizona 28 at Arizona
Colorado 41 Oregon 38 at Oregon
UW 44 Stanford 6 at Washington
Cal 28 Utah 23 at Cal
Colorado 47 OSU 6 at Colorado
USC 41 ASU 20 at USC
WSU 51 Oregon 33 at WSU
UCLA 45 Arizona 24 at UCLA

Doesn't take blue tinted glasses to see that home field advantage has been huge so far in Pac-12 play.

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Yeah I'm with ya and home field certainly seemed critical in the Texas and Utah games. I think the P5 data over the last couple of years showing essentially no home field advantage is pretty odd to be honest..:but it is what it is.

MoragaBear;842738961 said:

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Usually it's not necessarily a big advantage/disadvantage to teams not named Cal but for whatever reason, it has been this season.

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On second look, I'm not so sure if home field advantage was such a big deal, it has only been decisive in 3 out of the 5 close conference games played, the other ones being more lopsided games where the winner was going to prevail anyway and the better team happened to host, here are the five close games:

Utah 31 USC 27 at Utah
ASU 51 Cal 41 at ASU
UW 35 Arizona 28 at Arizona
Colorado 41 Oregon 38 at Oregon
Cal 28 Utah 23 at Cal

Cal88;842739048 said:

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On second look, I'm not so sure if home field advantage was such a big deal, it has only been decisive in 3 out of the 5 close conference games played, the other ones being more lopsided games where the winner was going to prevail anyway and the better team happened to host, here are the five close games:

Utah 31 USC 27 at Utah
ASU 51 Cal 41 at ASU
UW 35 Arizona 28 at Arizona
Colorado 41 Oregon 38 at Oregon
Cal 28 Utah 23 at Cal

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That's one way to read it. But look how much betterUW was the next week at home against a considerably better team. And how much better SC looked at home against a *maybe slightly* worse opponent. And then UCLA at home vs UofA, where Zona looked much worse on both sides of the ball against a UCLA team that is equal-to-slightly-worse than UW.

falseintellect;842738684 said:

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Beating us just means our offense didn't score enough points. When you play bad defense anyone can beat you.

SDSU is not very good. And Pumphrey isn't even a PAC 12 starter let alone Heisman contender. They are an ok MWC team and our offense screwed up.

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That's false intellect...
(Jk couldn't resist)

Cal88;842739048 said:

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On second look, I'm not so sure if home field advantage was such a big deal, it has only been decisive in 3 out of the 5 close conference games played, the other ones being more lopsided games where the winner was going to prevail anyway and the better team happened to host, here are the five close games:

Utah 31 USC 27 at Utah
ASU 51 Cal 41 at ASU
UW 35 Arizona 28 at Arizona
Colorado 41 Oregon 38 at Oregon
Cal 28 Utah 23 at Cal

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I read that exactly true to home field. Likely Oregon and Washington win by more if not for being on the road..

Where SDSU fits in Cal's ongoing OOC scheduling is a challenge. San Diego's an important recruiting market and a great roadie, but all of their games with CA PAC schools are jihads for them. All things considered, plugging in a B home/home twice a decade seems about right.

Fresno is trending as a low B/high C, they should be offered games in Berkeley a few times a decade. Not an important market, so tough **** if they demand a home game or a pay day. SJSU adds nothing.

Rotate Davis and Sac State as C opponents. If FSU won't come to Berkeley only, add Cal Poly to the mix.

upsetof86;842739080 said:

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I read that exactly true to home field. Likely Oregon and Washington win by more if not for being on the road..

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Except - Oregon didn't win, they Lost to CU in Eugene.

BearDevil;842739089 said:

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Where SDSU fits in Cal's ongoing OOC scheduling is a challenge. San Diego's an important recruiting market and a great roadie, but all of their games with CA PAC schools are jihads for them. All things considered, plugging in a B home/home twice a decade seems about right.

Fresno is trending as a low B/high C, they should be offered games in Berkeley a few times a decade. Not an important market, so tough **** if they demand a home game or a pay day. SJSU adds nothing.

Rotate Davis and Sac State as C opponents. If FSU won't come to Berkeley only, add Cal Poly to the mix.

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Fresno deserves ****. They don't even deserve to play us in memorial. Not now. Not ever.

If they can't do a better job of crowd control then I think every major ca school should blackball their asses and never play them, period.

ducky23;842739178 said:

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Fresno deserves ****. They don't even deserve to play us in memorial. Not now. Not ever.

If they can't do a better job of crowd control then I think every major ca school should blackball their asses and never play them, period.

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Agree. I've seen nothing from FSU to show me their fan issues are over.

MoragaBear;842738931 said:

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Stanford 22 UCLA 13 at Stanford

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Not that it will change your stats much, but the Stanford - UCLA game was at UCLA.

MoragaBear;842738961 said:

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Usually it's not necessarily a big advantage/disadvantage to teams not named Cal but for whatever reason, it has been this season.

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I could be way off, but I think home/away disproportionately affects Cal because of our reliance on the pass. Good communication & a calm QB are necessary to pull off the Air Raid. But crowd noise and a fired up D-Line can easily throw off our scheme.

I think we'll beat Oregon State, but it may be close. They seemed to play OK vs. Boise State at home, who are now ranked #19.

Mm

MoragaBear;842738931 said:

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Pac-12 play to-date:
Stanford 27 USC 10 at Stanford
Utah 31 USC 27 at Utah
ASU 51 Cal 41 at ASU
Stanford 22 UCLA 13 at Stanford
UW 35 Arizona 28 at Arizona
Colorado 41 Oregon 38 at Oregon
UW 44 Stanford 6 at Washington
Cal 28 Utah 23 at Cal
Colorado 47 OSU 6 at Colorado
USC 41 ASU 20 at USC
WSU 51 Oregon 33 at WSU
UCLA 45 Arizona 24 at UCLA

Doesn't take blue tinted glasses to see that home field advantage has been huge so far in Pac-12 play.

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Don't forget that Cal lost to SDSU in San Diego.

MoragaBear;842738676 said:

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You mean the same SC team that Utah beat? The same Utah team that Cal beat?

It's called parity. And home field advantage in many cases.

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+1.

Home field advantage is key in college football. I believe:
If the games were at Cal, we would beat ASU and SDSU.
And unfortunately, if the games were on the road, we would lose to TexAss and UU.

I think home field advantage is worth around 7-10 points in college football and all of our games (except Hawaii) have been decided by that margin or less.

Go Bears, Beat the Beavers!