chazzed;842739191 said:

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No doubt, but it seems to be the m.o. of Pac refs these days to protect the big-winning programs (see Oregon and Stanford).

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I agree, and it's bullshit. And how did Utah get into that club? What have they ever won? I'm already bracing myself for the avalanche of phantom calls against us when we play uw.

OldBlue1999;842739172 said:

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I don't think so.
http://espn700sports.com/interviews/kyle-whittingham-postgame-press-conference-utah-at-cal-10-1-16/

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I don't even understand what he's saying there - Look at me for a TO? But he didn't look at me?

Whatever. Pretty class-less after a game like that to focus basically his entire discussion on one TO call... not a penalty call or non-call, not about the awesome effort on both sides... but a timeout.

OldBlue1999;842739198 said:

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I agree, and it's bullshit. And how did Utah get into that club? What have they ever won? I'm already bracing myself for the avalanche of phantom calls against us when we play uw.

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Nothing of interest, but they have been knocking on the door the last couple of years. Also, with the apparent changing of the guard(s) in the conference, they may be looking out for the next potential big thing.

ninetyfourbear;842738946 said:

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The refs screwed not-us. That's a refreshing change.

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They screwed us too. A lot.

chazzed;842739191 said:

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No doubt, but it seems to be the m.o. of Pac refs these days to protect the big-winning programs (see Oregon and Stanford).

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I watched the Or- WSU game. Refs gave the Ducks nothing.

heech;842739201 said:

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I don't even understand what he's saying there - Look at me for a TO? But he didn't look at me?

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His whole explanation is ridiculous. Even if you take him at his word, which makes no sense (who runs down the sideline just before the snap to try to get the refs attention for what to do after the play?), it's still on him for creating a situation that could be easily misconstrued under the circumstances. More likely he made a mistake calling the timeout then quickly realized it and tried to bluff his way out. And yes it's classless.

Uthaithani;842739216 said:

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I watched the Or- WSU game. Refs gave the Ducks nothing.

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To most people, Oregon seems to be on a clear downward slope toward normalcy.

pretty much a normal day for pac-12 refs. nothing to see here, both teams had to deal with the bad officiating

He was yelling at his RB because he didn't follow his blocking. The run was meant to go right and the RB cut to the left for some reason. Had he followed his blocking, there is a good chance we would be taking about a loss yesterday.

It was refreshing to see that it wasn't our coach loosing it during a crucial moment in a game.

OldBlue1999;842739198 said:

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I agree, and it's bullshit. And how did Utah get into that club? What have they ever won? I'm already bracing myself for the avalanche of phantom calls against us when we play uw.

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I get the feeling it's more Vegas that they're trying to protect. What do these guys make in terms of salary? Their price probably isn't that high.

utah coach was yelling at ref because utah was charged a TO, but utah coach said he was only asking for a clock check, and not a TO

announcer explained that it was noisy so ref probably could't hear the utah coach well, so thought he was calling a TO

Assist from the Cal fans for bringing the noise!

LarsBear74;842739016 said:

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Agree 1000%, wth happened on that non-block in the back call? On tv, they never showed the so-called unsportsmanlike call on us.

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If you watch the end of the play, #88 is following the ball carrier as he goes out of bounds. A Utah player steps in his path and he gives him a shove. Nothing that doesn't happen dozens of times every game with no call. But this time they decide it's worth a call? And the block in the back, for which they threw the flag is not? That's a 30 yard swing. I wish I did not think they were trying to hand them the game.

Interesting comments from Wittingham postgame. They corroborate what the sideline reporter was telling us during the game. If that happened to my team I'd be furious, too, regardless of whether or not my team had previously gotten a sh!t ton of calls. That said, once it happened, Utah had a ton of opportunities to punch it in from the 2 yard line. If I'm a Ute fan, I'm more pissed about that.

#benddontbreak

rathokan;842739394 said:

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Interesting comments from Wittingham postgame. They corroborate what the sideline reporter was telling us during the game. If that happened to my team I'd be furious, too, regardless of whether or not my team had previously gotten a sh!t ton of calls. That said, once it happened, Utah had a ton of opportunities to punch it in from the 2 yard line. If I'm a Ute fan, I'm more pissed about that.

#benddontbreak

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this.

they had 6 chances. on at least one run, the utah RB didn't follow his OL blocker into EZ. there was the ball that sailed through the TE's hands that would've been a score considering Anoa'i was behind him and the EZ.

they didn't execute, and we did!

beeasyed;842739405 said:

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this.

they had 6 chances. on at least one run, the utah RB didn't follow his OL blocker into EZ. there was the ball that sailed through the TE's hands that would've been a score considering Anoa'i was behind him and the EZ.

they didn't execute, and we did!

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Why did they use anyone but Armand Shyne? That guy was slipping tackles all day.

beeasyed;842739405 said:

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this.

they had 6 chances. on at least one run, the utah RB didn't follow his OL blocker into EZ. there was the ball that sailed through the TE's hands that would've been a score considering Anoa'i was behind him and the EZ.

they didn't execute, and we did!

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I've watched the last play several times in slo mo and I am not seeing this huge hole that the pac12 post game guys keep talking about.

First off, looney got such good initial penetration that he pushed the offensive lineman way into the backfield. So to be able to follow the pulling guard, the rb had to go around the offensive lineman that looney pushed into the backfield.

Second, both linebackers were making a bee line for this alleged hole. So even if the rb gets around the offensive lineman that looney pushed into the backfield, it's not clear that he beats the linebackers to the goal line.

Also on the second to last play, if that ball is caught, its game over and the bears win. Because of the poor throw, the receiver is completely off balance and he would have been tackled.

My point is, don't believe everything you hear on that pac12 post game show. They all went out of their way to push this narrative that Utah kept shooting themsleves in the foot, and it had nothing to do with cal's defense simply out playing them in key situations. that would ruin their other narrative that the cal defense is a pile of dog ****.

ducky23;842739418 said:

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I've watched the last play several times in slo mo and I am not seeing this huge hole that the pac12 post game guys keep talking about.

First off, looney got such good initial penetration that he pushed the offensive lineman way into the backfield. So to be able to follow the pulling guard, the rb had to go around the offensive lineman that looney pushed into the backfield.

Second, both linebackers were making a bee line for this alleged hole. So even if the rb gets around the offensive lineman that looney pushed into the backfield, it's not clear that he beats the linebackers to the goal line.

Also on the second to last play, if that ball is caught, its game over and the bears win. Because of the poor throw, the receiver is completely off balance and he would have been tackled.

My point is, don't believe everything you hear on that pac12 post game show. They all went out of their way to push this narrative that Utah kept shooting themsleves in the foot, and it had nothing to do with cal's defense simply out playing them in key situations. that would ruin their other narrative that the cal defense is a pile of dog ****.

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After the first couple of plays on the initial first and goal, I felt that the D was up to the task, and this made Utah very nervous. So while I don't buy Sonny's strategy of playing a game of chicken with Utah by not using a timeout, it did work to the extent that they were kind of spinning their wheels on what to do.

SRBear;842739059 said:

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He was yelling for Dykes to call a timeout.

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:bravo:rollinglaugh:

beeasyed;842739405 said:

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this.

they had 6 chances. on at least one run, the utah RB didn't follow his OL blocker into EZ. there was the ball that sailed through the TE's hands that would've been a score considering Anoa'i was behind him and the EZ.

they didn't execute, and we did!

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Disagree unless the ball had been thrown better. The play was in my corner of the endzone and coming toward me, from my angle and from my view of the game video, had the ball been caught the receiver would have been off balance reaching for the ball; and if he hadn't fallen down on his own, he would have been caught by the Cal defender.
If the ball had been properly thrown and been caught, the receiver would probably have made the TD. But the actual throw was not a good throw.

ducky23;842739418 said:

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I've watched the last play several times in slo mo and I am not seeing this huge hole that the pac12 post game guys keep talking about.

First off, looney got such good initial penetration that he pushed the offensive lineman way into the backfield. So to be able to follow the pulling guard, the rb had to go around the offensive lineman that looney pushed into the backfield.

Second, both linebackers were making a bee line for this alleged hole. So even if the rb gets around the offensive lineman that looney pushed into the backfield, it's not clear that he beats the linebackers to the goal line.

Also on the second to last play, if that ball is caught, its game over and the bears win. Because of the poor throw, the receiver is completely off balance and he would have been tackled.

My point is, don't believe everything you hear on that pac12 post game show. They all went out of their way to push this narrative that Utah kept shooting themselves in the foot, and it had nothing to do with cal's defense simply out playing them in key situations. that would ruin their other narrative that the cal defense is a pile of dog ****.

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like i said, they didn't execute and we did.

1&goal: Utah RB runs between LT/LG. utah's LT can't hold off DWilson as he shifts inside. between Davison running around and behind the LT, and Downs plugging the running lane next to Wilson, Utah gets 2 yards.

2nd&goal: Utah RG pulls left, picks up our DT (can't tell who it is) and drives him to the ground--there's space there. Utah's senior TE lead blocks for their RB and completely misses Anoa'i shooting the gap. between Anoa'i grabbing the RB's legs, and Ray completely embarrassing the slow-footed LT tackle again, no gain.

3rd&goal: 2/2 WR targets for utah. we rush 6, Downs comes off of left side, Utah's RB doesn't even look to that direction. DL getting push, easy sack.

4th&goal: you know, flag.

not bothering w/ the rest. i never tried saying that Utah gave us the game.

GivemTheAxe;842739425 said:

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Disagree unless the ball had been thrown better. The play was in my corner of the endzone and coming toward me, from my angle and from my view of the game video, had the ball been caught the receiver would have been off balance reaching for the ball; and if he hadn't fallen down on his own, he would have been caught by the Cal defender.
If the ball had been properly thrown and been caught, the receiver would probably have made the TD. But the actual throw was not a good throw.

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perhaps. it was a bad throw, true, but seemed catchable, and one we would've expected our guys to make. maybe i'm spoiled w/ our receivers.

beeasyed;842739432 said:

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perhaps. it was a bad throw, true, but seemed catchable, and one we would've expected our guys to make. maybe i'm spoiled w/ our receivers.

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The tight end was running parallel to the goal line at about the 3 yard line and away from the QB. Its actually a very hard throw to make if you want the receiver to have the ability to catch the ball cleanly and then immediately turn towards the end zone with any power. Yes, if he had been lead perfectly he might have been able to stay ahead of Anoa'i and slip into the end zone, but that's a very small window. For that play to work normally the receiver is supposed to first make sure they make it into the end zone before turning to run towards the sideline as most catches on that pass do not earn yards after the catch.

Bad route and play design.

mvargus;842739454 said:

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The tight end was running parallel to the goal line at about the 3 yard line and away from the QB. Its actually a very hard throw to make if you want the receiver to have the ability to catch the ball cleanly and then immediately turn towards the end zone with any power. Yes, if he had been lead perfectly he might have been able to stay ahead of Anoa'i and slip into the end zone, but that's a very small window. For that play to work normally the receiver is supposed to first make sure they make it into the end zone before turning to run towards the sideline as most catches on that pass do not earn yards after the catch.

Bad route and play design.

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The play design was fine. He got bumped by our guy which altered his route. He would have been running on the goal line if left unimpeded

Yea, if the guy catches the ball, his momentum carries him into the endzone while being tackled...with ease.

You can also tell by #11's eyes in the slow mo. They get big and desperate when he knows the balls in the air.

ducky23;842739418 said:

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I've watched the last play several times in slo mo and I am not seeing this huge hole that the pac12 post game guys keep talking about.

First off, looney got such good initial penetration that he pushed the offensive lineman way into the backfield. So to be able to follow the pulling guard, the rb had to go around the offensive lineman that looney pushed into the backfield.

Second, both linebackers were making a bee line for this alleged hole. So even if the rb gets around the offensive lineman that looney pushed into the backfield, it's not clear that he beats the linebackers to the goal line.

Also on the second to last play, if that ball is caught, its game over and the bears win. Because of the poor throw, the receiver is completely off balance and he would have been tackled.

My point is, don't believe everything you hear on that pac12 post game show. They all went out of their way to push this narrative that Utah kept shooting themsleves in the foot, and it had nothing to do with cal's defense simply out playing them in key situations. that would ruin their other narrative that the cal defense is a pile of dog ****.

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IN the interview, Whittingham said Cal made the play (meaning Looney). (I might add Cal D made 6 plays, including a give up you body play by Davidson). Then he repeated a lot how the team followed his game plan, he was proud of them and they were one play away from beating Cal. He went to the time out situation because he kept being asked about it, and then he would return to the one play away comment. Also some props for Cal, all about the offense and how amazing it was to hold them down given how great Webb and the Wrs are. He thought they played as well as they could and still lost, and that he really thinks his team is great (which says something about Cal). I'm just wondering why there was no love for the Cal D that won game with the amazing goal line stand (I'm summarizing the interview btw).

As an aside, Whittingham is considered a classy guy, but the interview was dictated a lot by the questions.

Dbearson;842739484 said:

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Yea, if the guy catches the ball, his momentum carries him into the endzone while being tackled...with ease.

You can also tell by #11's eyes in the slow mo. They get big and desperate when he knows the balls in the air.

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As someone said earlier, the guy is running parallel to the goal line about 3 yards away. Which means if he gets tackled, he's getting tackled parallel to the endzone unless he's somehow able to change directions fairly quickly. You have to be pretty freaking athletic to leap up off balance, catch the ball, gather the ball, land, and then change direction. Watch the play again, the guy is literally twisting in the air to try to catch that ball. If he doesn't fall immediately after catching it, he's at the very least going to land completely unbalanced. which gives time for the defender to catch up to him before he can change direction into the end zone.

Look, if it was like KA or someone like that, sure. But this guy looked completely uncoordinated (relatively). He wasn't even athletic enough to catch the ball, let alone catch it, gather, land and then change direction into the end zone before getting tackled. Utah is lucky he dropped that ball.

wifeisafurd;842739492 said:

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IN the interview, Whittingham said Cal made the play (meaning Looney). (I might add Cal D made 6 plays, including a give up you body play by Davidson). Then he repeated a lot how the team followed his game plan, he was proud of them and they were one play away from beating Cal. He went to the time out situation because he kept being asked about it, and then he would return to the one play away comment. Also some props for Cal, all about the offense and how amazing it was to hold them down given how great Webb and the Wrs are. He thought they played as well as they could and still lost, and that he really thinks his team is great (which says something about Cal). I'm just wondering why there was no love for the Cal D that won game with the amazing goal line stand (I'm summarizing the interview btw).

As an aside, Whittingham is considered a classy guy, but the interview was dictated a lot by the questions.

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yeah, I have no idea what whittingham said. I was referring only to the Pac 12 Channel post game guys. Especially that Nigel Burton guy who, for some reason, definitely has it out for Cal. I miss Neuheisel.

"I didn't call a timeout, I was trying to get his attention, I ran down the field and told him 'If the ball is in play and the clock is running, look to me for a timeout.' He didn't look to me and I'm screaming, "If the clock is running, look to me for a time out." He says, 'You want a time out?' I said "No, I want to call one if after this play the clock is running." "He called time out, go figure"

Wait. Who's on first?

Lesson is don't expect the refs to be your secretaries(even if boosters pay them). When you want a time out, call one. If you don't want one, don't call one.

ducky23;842739564 said:

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yeah, I have no idea what whittingham said. I was referring only to the Pac 12 Channel post game guys. Especially that Nigel Burton guy who, for some reason, definitely has it out for Cal. I miss Neuheisel.

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He's the worrrrrrrst. Why do they normally have TWO Huskies (Burton and Lincoln Kennedy) on? We have TWELVE schools and you fill both spots with guys who played at the same school? And it's not like either is very good. Kennedy has low energy and Burton is smarmy and unlikeable.