going4roses;842778883 said:

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Hack job

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AEM80;842778946 said:

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I think the problems at Cal are much more complex. It's real easy to blame everything on Dykes. He's part of the problem but the administration is just as much to blame. He doesn't get much support. He wanted to hire Aranda, Akina and more recently Lupoi. But for one reason or another, most notably money, he didn't get any of the guys he wanted. Oregon hires Taggert and gives him pretty much unlimited resources to hire the coaches he wants. They're always a step ahead of us. Competing in one of the two or three best conferences in the country is serious business. Until the administration make a real commitment, we'll remain a mostly struggling program. We'll be hiring new coaches every three or four years. They'll be unsuccessful, or they'll have some success and move on to a real football school. Is it any wonder Dykes is interviewing for other jobs. This is not a desirable coaching job. Very little support from the administration. Very little support from Cal community. Heck, a lot of people would just as soon drop the football program. Fairly strict academic requirements. Low assistant salaries pretty much guarantees we'll be a step behind in that department too. Dykes is not the worst coach I've seen at Cal. Far from it. He's really somewhere in the middle and probably the best we can expect. He can be more successful with a better defensive coordinator. That's his downfall. He'll get one more chance. Let's hope his plan B guy is much better than the last two. The biggest problem on defense is lack of talent. They haven't produced an NFL caliber player in years. Lots of teams run up tempo offenses and play much better defense. They can't recruit defense, particularly front seven. The new coordinator and position coaches have to be able to recruit. I continue to dream. That's why we frequent these sites. But I can't believe the number of posters who think it's as simple as getting rid of Dykes. For Cal to be successful they need a completely different approach and mindset.

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This argument doesn't work when Dykes not only has a history outside of Cal, but a history of making not terrible DCs look terrible.

packawana;842779829 said:

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Fisher said earlier on he liked being at FSU but interviewed for LSU anyway and asked for a higher amount than they were willing to pay.

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http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/football/2016/11/21/jimbo-fisher-leading-candidate-lsu-job-florida-state/94210120/

He said "I plan on being at FSU".

btsktr;842779838 said:

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http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/football/2016/11/21/jimbo-fisher-leading-candidate-lsu-job-florida-state/94210120/

He said "I plan on being at FSU".

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http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/fisher-reportedly-turned-down-6-8-million-from-lsu/

Didn't stop Fisher from interviewing and using the offer for his own ends.

packawana;842779839 said:

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http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/fisher-reportedly-turned-down-6-8-million-from-lsu/

Didn't stop Fisher from interviewing and using the offer for his own ends.

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When did I ever say that Dykes' shouldn't interview or have his name out there?

All I said was that he should have denied and said I plan on staying at Cal. Just like Fisher did, as was mentioned in your article.

btsktr;842779857 said:

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When did I ever say that Dykes' shouldn't interview or have his name out there?

All I said was that he should have denied and said I plan on staying at Cal. Just like Fisher did, as was mentioned in your article.

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Well my point is that not saying anything is not that uncommon -- Fisher interviewed for example after he made statements he'd stay at FSU. Not saying anything is better than "they're gonna have to carry me out of here in a pine box" or taking another job and then telling players over Skype.

OaktownBear;842779480 said:

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Since November of last year, press has reported over and over that Dykes wants out. Some have been portraying him as shopping himself to anyone who will listen. That actually has an impact on his ability to recruit. So why not correct the record unless you want people to think it is true for some other reason (like it is true or even if it isn't that you want out of Cal per se, you want to be able to maximize offers even if it means hurting your current job). Why not go to his buddy who wrote the "Dykes has always dreamed of coaching in Berkeley" article and do an article saying how much he loves it here? There is no college coach in America right now who has more people saying he wants out of his job than Dykes. If he wants to be here, time to put an end to that.

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There is no argument here that Sonny has not been able to shape his public persona to further his program here at Cal. We've seen that now since 2013. It is not one of his strengths, to be sure.

I would speculate, however, that the "Dykes wants out" narrative runs stronger on Bear Insider than it does in recruits' minds. Especially a few weeks from now, when the dust from all the "who's going where" talk settles.

The only thing that's really jamming him up, recruiting-wise is his failure to get another couple of wins this past fall. Well, that plus the openings and dead weight on his staff.

I'm tempted to say 2017 is "now or never time", but I could easily see us winning 6-7 games, getting to a crap bowl game and then, here we are again in a year, arguing the same points.

Big C_Cal;842779900 said:

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There is no argument here that Sonny has not been able to shape his public persona to further his program here at Cal. We've seen that now since 2013. It is not one of his strengths, to be sure.

I would speculate, however, that the "Dykes wants out" narrative runs stronger on Bear Insider than it does in recruits' minds. Especially a few weeks from now, when the dust from all the "who's going where" talk settles.

The only thing that's really jamming him up, recruiting-wise is his failure to get another couple of wins this past fall. Well, that plus the openings and dead weight on his staff.

I'm tempted to say 2017 is "now or never time", but I could easily see us winning 6-7 games, getting to a crap bowl game and then, here we are again in a year, arguing the same points.

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I would argue he's also getting "jammed up" in recruiting because he has (shown) no investment in the local programs. It's obvious to the kids and their coaches. That's why he keeps losing all the NorCal recruits and goes back to the same wells in the South (TX, GA, MS).

Hmm yeah that is exactly what's going on.

btsktr;842779812 said:

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Look at what Harbaugh did when he rumored to be a candidate for the Rams job. In an interview, he said "those are lies started by our enemies". I don't expect Sonny to say something like that, but the fact he hasn't said anything is pretty telling.

Even if he is lying he should come out at say he has no interest (i.e. Nick Saban). Sitting around and letting these rumors disperse is only going to make it harder for him to recruit both players and coaches.

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You sound like a presumed guilty, now prove yourself innocent kind of guy. Sonny doesn't have to affirm or deny anything. If you folks want to foment unrest have at it. You have all jumped to the conclusion that his visit to Baylor involved leaving all of us behind, but if you look at Gorcey's remarks carefully you'll notice that the so-called interview for the job was based on speculation. It was Baylor focusing on Sonny, (not the reverse) according to Gorcey's comments. The news articles that gave rise to this whole thing were also based on speculation. Never has it been unequivocally stated by Dykes or anyone else that he wants to leave Cal or that he sought the Baylor job. He's not required to take such a stand. He did interview for the Missouri head coaching position one year ago, but that was a leverage move and after Williams told Dykes to seek out his market value. One of the posters here took the inference that SD was on his way to the Baylor job and ran with it. The rest of you rejoiced or did not depending on point of view.

I for one like the fact that we're persuading kids from the South and Texas to come to Berkeley. These recruits represent the passion for football that is so linked to the southeast. Of course, its' preferable to recruit from the Bay Area, but a lot of kids want to get away and we should acknowledge that fact. There are football factories out there that churn players through year after year with promises that they will get to the NFL if they just sign with .... Some do get there, but most do not. These players miss out on the opportunity to attend a prestigious university, receive an education and a degree that may change their life, instead of someone who knows only one thing, football.

btsktr;842779812 said:

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Look at what Harbaugh did when he rumored to be a candidate for the Rams job. In an interview, he said "those are lies started by our enemies". I don't expect Sonny to say something like that, but the fact he hasn't said anything is pretty telling.

Even if he is lying he should come out at say he has no interest (i.e. Nick Saban). Sitting around and letting these rumors disperse is only going to make it harder for him to recruit both players and coaches.

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You sound like a presumed guilty, now prove yourself innocent kind of guy. Sonny doesn't have to affirm or deny anything. If you folks want to foment unrest have at it. You have all jumped to the conclusion that his visit to Baylor involved leaving all of us behind, but if you look at Gorcey's remarks carefully you'll notice that the so-called interview for the job was based on speculation. It was Baylor focusing on Sonny, (not the reverse) according to Gorcey's comments. The news articles that gave rise to this whole thing were also based on speculation. Never has it been unequivocally stated by Dykes or anyone else that he wants to leave Cal or that he sought the Baylor job. He's not required to take such a stand. He did interview for the Missouri head coaching position one year ago, but that was a leverage move and after Williams told Dykes to seek out his market value. One of the posters here inferred that SD was on his way to the Baylor job and ran with it. The rest of you rejoiced or did not depending on point of view.

6bear6;842780380 said:

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You sound like a presumed guilty, now prove yourself innocent kind of guy. Sonny doesn't have to affirm or deny anything. If you folks want to foment unrest have at it. You have all jumped to the conclusion that his visit to Baylor involved leaving all of us behind, but if you look at Gorcey's remarks carefully you'll notice that the so-called interview for the job was based on speculation. It was Baylor focusing on Sonny, (not the reverse) according to Gorcey's comments. The news articles that gave rise to this whole thing were also based on speculation. Never has it been unequivocally stated by Dykes or anyone else that he wants to leave Cal or that he sought the Baylor job. He's not required to take such a stand. He did interview for the Missouri head coaching position one year ago, but that was a leverage move and after Williams told Dykes to seek out his market value. One of the posters here inferred that SD was on his way to the Baylor job and ran with it. The rest of you rejoiced or did not depending on point of view.

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I don't care much if he interviews. I don't care if he gets tight lipped while he tries to gain leverage for an extension. The issue that I have is that last year when he was interviewing, there was tons of chatter among the press that not only was he interviewing, but he wanted to get the hell out. It was more than he would listen to offers. it was basically that he was desperate to get a decent offer. I don't know where the rumors came from. Let's assume it did not come from the Dykes camp. After he extended, there have continued to be articles mentioning how it is the worst kept secret that he wants to get out. Whenever a job in Texas opens up, he is mentioned almost always with the comment that it is known he wants to leave Cal.

Is it true that he wants to leave Cal? I don't know. But what is true is he has done nothing publicly to comment that it isn't true. He's said things at non-public alumni gatherings which is really easy because you are telling the whole room what they want to hear with no consequence to yourself. I'm not asking him to prove that the statements are not true. The statements hurt Cal. If he cares about Cal, he'd say to the press "I don't know where these rumors are coming from. I love it here. I may listen to an opportunity like most coaches would, but I am perfectly happy to stay at Cal." If members of the press then continue to say he hates it here and wants to leave, so be it. He's done what he can do. I don't think this is a big ask from fans.

OaktownBear;842780388 said:

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I don't care much if he interviews. I don't care if he gets tight lipped while he tries to gain leverage for an extension. The issue that I have is that last year when he was interviewing, there was tons of chatter among the press that not only was he interviewing, but he wanted to get the hell out. It was more than he would listen to offers. it was basically that he was desperate to get a decent offer. I don't know where the rumors came from. Let's assume it did not come from the Dykes camp. After he extended, there have continued to be articles mentioning how it is the worst kept secret that he wants to get out. Whenever a job in Texas opens up, he is mentioned almost always with the comment that it is known he wants to leave Cal.

Is it true that he wants to leave Cal? I don't know. But what is true is he has done nothing publicly to comment that it isn't true. He's said things at non-public alumni gatherings which is really easy because you are telling the whole room what they want to hear with no consequence to yourself. I'm not asking him to prove that the statements are not true. The statements hurt Cal. If he cares about Cal, he'd say to the press "I don't know where these rumors are coming from. I love it here. I may listen to an opportunity like most coaches would, but I am perfectly happy to stay at Cal." If members of the press then continue to say he hates it here and wants to leave, so be it. He's done what he can do. I don't think this is a big ask from fans.

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Coaches throughout history have said, "I'm going nowhere, I love it here, I have absolutely no intention of leaving to go anywhere else, stop listening to rumors," and then promptly go elsewhere. And then the spin begins about how it wasn't a lie.

Which really calls into a question a coach who can't say the same thing when he ISN"T about to go anywhere. Since Sonny isn't going anywhere, there is NO reason why he can't talk about how happy he is at Cal and he has no interest in going anywhere. He doesn't even have to put spin on it. That kind of statement NEVER discourages other schools who want to hire a coach. And if he leaves next year, he can say, "Things change." Heck, he can even say, "I always thought of Berkeley as a place I could stay the rest of my life, but this was too good an opportunity for me to pass up." My 49 years ago, my dad spoke those exact words to the press as he was leaving a government job, except he didn't say "Berkeley," he said "Fresno." FRESNO!!

There is ZERO reason Sonny can't come out and tell the press how much he loves it here and would love to stay forever and have his grandkids be able to see his statue on campus. It would make fans happier, it would make recruits happier, it would make current team members happier, and Sonny loses nothing by doing it, only gains. A WIN-WIN!! But I will pass out from shock if he does it.

Cal8285;842780398 said:

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Coaches throughout history have said, "I'm going nowhere, I love it here, I have absolutely no intention of leaving to go anywhere else, stop listening to rumors," and then promptly go elsewhere. And then the spin begins about how it wasn't a lie.

Which really calls into a question a coach who can't say the same thing when he ISN"T about to go anywhere. Since Sonny isn't going anywhere, there is NO reason why he can't talk about how happy he is at Cal and he has no interest in going anywhere. He doesn't even have to put spin on it. That kind of statement NEVER discourages other schools who want to hire a coach. And if he leaves next year, he can say, "Things change." Heck, he can even say, "I always thought of Berkeley as a place I could stay the rest of my life, but this was too good an opportunity for me to pass up." My 49 years ago, my dad spoke those exact words to the press as he was leaving a government job, except he didn't say "Berkeley," he said "Fresno." FRESNO!!

There is ZERO reason Sonny can't come out and tell the press how much he loves it here and would love to stay forever and have his grandkids be able to see his statue on campus. It would make fans happier, it would make recruits happier, it would make current team members happier, and Sonny loses nothing by doing it, only gains. A WIN-WIN!! But I will pass out from shock if he does it.

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There are two reasons not to imo: 1.) stupidity/ignorance/apathy, or 2.) such extreme desire to leave that you don't want anything to risk diminishing potential opportunities.

6bear6;842780371 said:

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You sound like a presumed guilty, now prove yourself innocent kind of guy. Sonny doesn't have to affirm or deny anything. If you folks want to foment unrest have at it. You have all jumped to the conclusion that his visit to Baylor involved leaving all of us behind, but if you look at Gorcey's remarks carefully you'll notice that the so-called interview for the job was based on speculation. It was Baylor focusing on Sonny, (not the reverse) according to Gorcey's comments. The news articles that gave rise to this whole thing were also based on speculation. Never has it been unequivocally stated by Dykes or anyone else that he wants to leave Cal or that he sought the Baylor job. He's not required to take such a stand. He did interview for the Missouri head coaching position one year ago, but that was a leverage move and after Williams told Dykes to seek out his market value. One of the posters here took the inference that SD was on his way to the Baylor job and ran with it. The rest of you rejoiced or did not depending on point of view.

I for one like the fact that we're persuading kids from the South and Texas to come to Berkeley. These recruits represent the passion for football that is so linked to the southeast. Of course, its' preferable to recruit from the Bay Area, but a lot of kids want to get away and we should acknowledge that fact. There are football factories out there that churn players through year after year with promises that they will get to the NFL if they just sign with .... Some do get there, but most do not. These players miss out on the opportunity to attend a prestigious university, receive an education and a degree that may change their life, instead of someone who knows only one thing, football.

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And the "Harbaugh to Rams" story wasn't just speculation? Most of the time these interviews are all speculation (even last year when Dykes supposedly interviewed with Missouri). When you work in very visible job, like head football coach at a large university, perception often becomes reality. And right now the perception is that Dykes would do anything to leave and he hasn't done anything to refute that perception.

I don't care if Dykes interviewed else where this year or last. But, at this point it is obvious that he is going to be our coach next year. Why would it hurt him to tell people that he enjoys being the head coach here?