Not unless they significantly improve the quality of the on-field product. Losing football teams don't do well anywhere but are particularly vulnerable in short attention span Los Angeles. I was somewhat intrigued when a commentator said something about Spanos being unwilling to contribute more than $150 million or so to the San Diego stadium plan but will spend $550 million for "moving rights" to go north. Maybe the long term benefits are potentially great enough to offset that $400 million differential (if true) but that seems like a pretty steep bet on a second string franchise in a notoriously fickle market

510Bear;842791257 said:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/espn-chargers-plan-announce-move-la-044851325--spt.html?ref=gs
So how will this work out?

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Now let's get the Raiders to Las Vegas and open up the Bay Area sports market. There are too many teams; the market is over-saturated!!:gobears:

burritos;842791907 said:

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San Diego is a suburb of Orange County.

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Those are fighting words.

Vandalus;842792681 said:

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Those are fighting words.

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Sorry, was a bad joke. Always fighting with the Norcal folk. Just wanted to involve those south of Camp P and saw my opening. Please take the Chargers back. Take the Clippers while your at it.

Hoping it works out, but that logo sucks.

Totally disagree with you, Barabbas. What I am hoping will happen is that the public outcry over the numerous betrayals of fan bases (going all the way back to the Browns, Colts, and most recently the Rams) will make the league realize if they approve the move of two franchises, the PR will be toxic, even in some ways fatal. Oakland needs the Raiders. And having lived in SoCal when the Raiders were here, believe me the Raiders need Oakland. The city of Oakland is having enough problems without losing such a huge piece of their identity.......and especially now with the Raiders finally putting together a good team. Too many teams? I would argue that San Francisco no longer has a football team. The fortywhiners offices are not in The City, the "stadium" is not in The City, and hence the players don't live in The City. The San Francisco vibe has left the team totally, and in the plastic suburbia of Santa Clara, it's not likely to come back soon. Oakland is still a gritty town, and the Raiders still have an Oakland vibe to them.....gritty, hard working, and ours. I don't buy that the Raiders substantially hurt Cal either. If Cal begins winning, and markets better than they are doing with their NFL-jv game day, fans will come. In fact, I propose that if Cal gameday turns away from the plasticized, bastardized version we are subjected to now, the contrast will promote a more loyal Cal fan who abhors the NFL commercialism. Raider fans will be Raider fans exclusively, and Cal fans will be Cal fans exclusively.

LOL at the Chargers, who "dramatically changed" their logo following its initial flop.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-chargers-change-logo-20170113-htmlstory.html

510Bear;842791293 said:

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A complete joke. I'm rooting for both LA franchises....to fail miserably. They're perfect symbols of the corporate greed of the new NFL, as described here.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/san-diego-chargers-los-angeles-move-relocation-011217?cmpid=feed:-sports-MSNcom

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Corporate greed is rampant throughout the NFL. Might as well root for all teams to lose. Bernie Sanders isn't running any teams.

The Packers are publicly owned, however! Go Pack Go!

philly1121;842792336 said:

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Spanos' insistence that the stadium be in downtown and part of a new convention center I think turned people off because he never wanted to build in Mission Valley. And that was very curious because the infrastructure was already there. I think his attitude tempered my enthusiasm for the chargers. The fact that they continually shot themselves in the foot by losing and giving away players didn't help either.

Yes I am sad. But I think my anger for Spanos is more so.

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The Spanos family is worth nearly $3B. They didn't have to insist on such a big taxpayer contribution. Greedy billionaires! His team will be worth more in LA, but how rich does one need to be?

sp4149;842791866 said:

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Raiders and Chargers made their cities major league sports cities.
Then the cities decided that they had to share a stadium with a 'new' tenant,
major league baseball. Pretty soon these NFL teams felt like second class
tenants in their home towns. The NFL owners knew other cities were willing
to pay to be major league. And the cities backed MLB instead.

Just a couple of years ago California had three NFL teams playing in what were
essentially baseball stadiums; pretty soon it will be zero. San Diego city officials,
from the mayor on down are huffing and puffing about how the Chargers abandoned
poor ole Deigo, but they forget that they gave the Padres a sweetheart deal and weren't
willing to do the same for the NFL. They took a tougher line with the NFL and
lost their team. I guess they hadn't noticed how well that approach worked for
San Francisco and the 49ers. The SF Giants are an anomaly, private stadium on public
land; without the millions in freebies SD gives the Padres, yet somehow the Giants
are the far more successful team. Before this last election I didn't notice the city of San Diego
pushing hard to win approval of the stadium measure; it seemed like they felt that
if the measures failed, they could force the NFL to own a bigger share of the stadium cost.
a slight miscalculation.

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I believe that Cities tend to back MLB teams because they are better for the economy. 81 home games per year guaranteed, and all the jobs that come with them. NFL teams don't move the needle as much. That's why the NFL gets a tough line from California taxpayers and municipalities.

The Giants are more successful than the Padres because they have a smarter front office with a better overall ability to assess the ability of incoming players. Very recently, Padres made so many bad roster decisions by trading their prospects for busts as well as by picking up busts on the free market. Meanwhile, the Giants just have to add a few pieces to contend for the division again. They'll be right there with the Melancon pickup. And the fans love winners.