Good riddance.


https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-football-vols-adrian-martinez

The problem is the system since committing (and now signing as well) means nothing. It should be if you commit, other schools can't reach out to you. That way no one would commit unless they wanted to end their recruitment.

If he switches to $uSC he can major in film studies . . . if he switches to uNeb he can study agronomy . . . if he stays a Vol he can major in statistics. They all offer decent CFB in the PAC-12, BigTen and SEC, respectively.

Maybe consider Au Dubai . . . rugby, my friend, and systems security. A field of the future here today.

joe yaks;842848773 said:

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If he switches to $uSC he can major in film studies...then again if he switches to uNeb he can study agronomy...or if he stays a Vol he can major in intercollegiate graduate statistics. They all offer decent CFB in the PAC-12, BigTen and SEC, respectively.

Maybe he'd be interested in the University of Wollongong in Dubai...rugby, my friend, and digital systems security is a field of the future, here today.

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Just as likely is him not recovering from injury to play and ending up at Fresno State with the QB guru.

I really think there should be consideration for eliminating the signing period. If a school offers a kid the kid can sign right then.

tequila4kapp;842848791 said:

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I really think there should be consideration for eliminating the signing period. If a school offers a kid the kid can sign right then.

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Or the opposite happens: with more public scrutiny, (read that as social media, message boards et. al.) there is no reason to do anything but give a silent verbal.
I think the early signing period just moves things up...so he could have been wishy washy what, 3 months earlier? The early signing period should be a good thing if it helps the student athletes, not because it will cause rabid fans less angst.
In the big scheme of things, the kids are given a decent period of time to make 5 visits, and think about this until February. I think more would take that time if they didn't get sick of the recruiting calls, text messages etc.
I don't really hold this against him, nor see it as some great character flaw...who knows, how this is playing out internally for him and those around him.

this kind of behavior is not what you generally see from qb's, especially those who have successful careers. any other position and it's no big deal, but the qb is the centerpiece of the recruiting class and should be trying to pull other recruits in. glad we are no longer chasing him despite his physical talent.

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this kind of behavior is not what you generally see from qb's, especially those who have successful careers. any other position and it's no big deal, but the qb is the centerpiece of the recruiting class and should be trying to pull other recruits in. glad we are no longer chasing him despite his physical talent.

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One of the qualities you least want in your qb is being wishy washy. Bad look.

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Good riddance.


https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-football-vols-adrian-martinez

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Agree 100%

For some reason, when he decommitted, I didn't feel the sense of loss that I expected. In Berkeley, perhaps more so than any other college town, you only want kids that really want to be here.

Adrian Martinez just flipped from Tennessee to Nebraska per his twitter account.

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Good riddance.


https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-football-vols-adrian-martinez

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We even know if Pruitt honored his offer when he took over?

I think that's more common than people realize in recruiting

It's hard to be critical of a kid who changes his mind about where he wants to go to college. It's clear this kid really doesn't know where he wants to go, and is not getting the guidance (from parents?) that he needs.

One fact I do know: Many, many, many, many D1 coaches are duplicitous liars & abandon their offered players whenever it suits them. Who knows what Adrian Martinez had been told by recruiting coaches?

A mature adult, who only cares about the well being of Adrian Martinez, needs to provide the guidance he needs, soon.

Flipped today from Tennessee to Nebraska to play for Scott Frost. I expect Nebraska under Frost to work very hard recruiting California.

Bear19 said:

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It's hard to be critical of a kid who changes his mind about where he wants to go to college. It's clear this kid really doesn't know where he wants to go, and is not getting the guidance (from parents?) that he needs.

One fact I do know: Many, many, many, many D1 coaches are duplicitous liars & abandon their offered players whenever it suits them. Who knows what Adrian Martinez had been told by recruiting coaches?

A mature adult, who only cares about the well being of Adrian Martinez, needs to provide the guidance he needs, soon.

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Mommy and daddy shouldn't be making this decision, nor some 'family adviser'. Wherever he chooses to go, Martinez himself is the one who is going to have to make it work--and is the one whose future will be on the line.

Cave Bear said:

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Bear19 said:

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It's hard to be critical of a kid who changes his mind about where he wants to go to college. It's clear this kid really doesn't know where he wants to go, and is not getting the guidance (from parents?) that he needs.

One fact I do know: Many, many, many, many D1 coaches are duplicitous liars & abandon their offered players whenever it suits them. Who knows what Adrian Martinez had been told by recruiting coaches?

A mature adult, who only cares about the well being of Adrian Martinez, needs to provide the guidance he needs, soon.

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Mommy and daddy shouldn't be making this decision, nor some 'family adviser'. Wherever he chooses to go, Martinez himself is the one who is going to have to make it work--and is the one whose future will be on the line.

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Reread my comments.

Didn't suggest anyone should "make the decision for Martinez," but rather provide guidance. Big difference, which should be obvious.

It will be one of his biggest decisions, with lifelong consequences (both good & bad). When you see Martinez commit & decommit to multiple schools, you can see he hasn't the benefit of someone helping him understand that he can look at all the schools, consider their pluses & minuses, then decide.

His behavior is immature, which is hurting him, and may limit his options if he decides his last "commit" needs to change. Slots are filling up, and coaches may decide they don't want to deal with a kid who doesn't know what he wants and can't keep his commitments. (See NYCGOBEARS initial comment as an example).

Bear19 said:

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Cave Bear said:

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Bear19 said:

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It's hard to be critical of a kid who changes his mind about where he wants to go to college. It's clear this kid really doesn't know where he wants to go, and is not getting the guidance (from parents?) that he needs.

One fact I do know: Many, many, many, many D1 coaches are duplicitous liars & abandon their offered players whenever it suits them. Who knows what Adrian Martinez had been told by recruiting coaches?

A mature adult, who only cares about the well being of Adrian Martinez, needs to provide the guidance he needs, soon.

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Mommy and daddy shouldn't be making this decision, nor some 'family adviser'. Wherever he chooses to go, Martinez himself is the one who is going to have to make it work--and is the one whose future will be on the line.

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Reread my comments.

Didn't suggest anyone should "make the decision for Martinez," but rather provide guidance. Big difference, which should be obvious.

It will be one of his biggest decisions, with lifelong consequences (both good & bad). When you see Martinez commit & decommit to multiple schools, you can see he hasn't the benefit of someone helping him understand that he can look at all the schools, consider their pluses & minuses, then decide.

His behavior is immature, which is hurting him, and may limit his options if he decides his last "commit" needs to change. Slots are filling up, and coaches may decide they don't want to deal with a kid who doesn't know what he wants and can't keep his commitments. (See NYCGOBEARS initial comment as an example).

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Are you sure guidance isn't a euphemism for "make the decision"? That's the implication I think should be drawn from that statement that Martinez doesn't know what he wants and his parents should intervene. If their intervention ultimately produces decisiveness in his selection, perhaps it may have been because with amazing finesse they somehow guided his decision in some manner that can't be construed as having made the decision for him, but that seems absurd. If they were capable of producing that with this guidance, it seems to me that Martinez should already be capable of making this decision on his own.

Fans lose their heads in the world of recruiting psychoanalyzing these kids. It's one of the several reasons I'm happy not following the recruiting season anymore. I prefer not to follow these kids as they make up their mind and just see where the chips land. It makes me think fondly of the old days when the closest I got to the meat processing factory that is CFB recruiting was waiting for my dad's copy of Blue Chip Illustrated to arrive after LOI day.

Cave Bear said:

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Bear19 said:

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Cave Bear said:

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Bear19 said:

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It's hard to be critical of a kid who changes his mind about where he wants to go to college. It's clear this kid really doesn't know where he wants to go, and is not getting the guidance (from parents?) that he needs.

One fact I do know: Many, many, many, many D1 coaches are duplicitous liars & abandon their offered players whenever it suits them. Who knows what Adrian Martinez had been told by recruiting coaches?

A mature adult, who only cares about the well being of Adrian Martinez, needs to provide the guidance he needs, soon.

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Mommy and daddy shouldn't be making this decision, nor some 'family adviser'. Wherever he chooses to go, Martinez himself is the one who is going to have to make it work--and is the one whose future will be on the line.

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Reread my comments.

Didn't suggest anyone should "make the decision for Martinez," but rather provide guidance. Big difference, which should be obvious.

It will be one of his biggest decisions, with lifelong consequences (both good & bad). When you see Martinez commit & decommit to multiple schools, you can see he hasn't the benefit of someone helping him understand that he can look at all the schools, consider their pluses & minuses, then decide.

His behavior is immature, which is hurting him, and may limit his options if he decides his last "commit" needs to change. Slots are filling up, and coaches may decide they don't want to deal with a kid who doesn't know what he wants and can't keep his commitments. (See NYCGOBEARS initial comment as an example).

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Are you sure guidance isn't a euphemism for "make the decision"? That's the implication I think should be drawn from that statement that Martinez doesn't know what he wants and his parents should intervene. If their intervention ultimately produces decisiveness in his selection, perhaps it may have been because with amazing finesse they somehow guided his decision in some manner that can't be construed as having made the decision for him, but that seems absurd. If they were capable of producing that with this guidance, it seems to me that Martinez should already be capable of making this decision on his own.

Fans lose their heads in the world of recruiting psychoanalyzing these kids. It's one of the several reasons I'm happy not following the recruiting season anymore. I prefer not to follow these kids as they make up their mind and just see where the chips land. It makes me think fondly of the old days when the closest I got to the meat processing factory that is CFB recruiting was waiting for my dad's copy of Blue Chip Illustrated to arrive after LOI day.

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Here are the words "provide guidance" in the dictionary.

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PROVIDE: "To make available, furnish."

GUIDANCE: "Advise or counseling, especially that provided for students choosing a course of study or preparing for a vocation."

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I wrote what I meant - no euphemisms. If I meant "make the decision for" Martinez that's what I would have written.

You think he doesn't need any advise or counseling by a mature adult, with only Martinez's best interests at heart, fine with me. I think it could help him.

His flipping commitments from Cal to Tennessee to Nebraska are facts. And, yes, he has the right to keep flipping to as many schools as will take him.

Bear19 said:

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Cave Bear said:

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Bear19 said:

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Cave Bear said:

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Bear19 said:

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It's hard to be critical of a kid who changes his mind about where he wants to go to college. It's clear this kid really doesn't know where he wants to go, and is not getting the guidance (from parents?) that he needs.

One fact I do know: Many, many, many, many D1 coaches are duplicitous liars & abandon their offered players whenever it suits them. Who knows what Adrian Martinez had been told by recruiting coaches?

A mature adult, who only cares about the well being of Adrian Martinez, needs to provide the guidance he needs, soon.

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Mommy and daddy shouldn't be making this decision, nor some 'family adviser'. Wherever he chooses to go, Martinez himself is the one who is going to have to make it work--and is the one whose future will be on the line.

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Reread my comments.

Didn't suggest anyone should "make the decision for Martinez," but rather provide guidance. Big difference, which should be obvious.

It will be one of his biggest decisions, with lifelong consequences (both good & bad). When you see Martinez commit & decommit to multiple schools, you can see he hasn't the benefit of someone helping him understand that he can look at all the schools, consider their pluses & minuses, then decide.

His behavior is immature, which is hurting him, and may limit his options if he decides his last "commit" needs to change. Slots are filling up, and coaches may decide they don't want to deal with a kid who doesn't know what he wants and can't keep his commitments. (See NYCGOBEARS initial comment as an example).

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Are you sure guidance isn't a euphemism for "make the decision"? That's the implication I think should be drawn from that statement that Martinez doesn't know what he wants and his parents should intervene. If their intervention ultimately produces decisiveness in his selection, perhaps it may have been because with amazing finesse they somehow guided his decision in some manner that can't be construed as having made the decision for him, but that seems absurd. If they were capable of producing that with this guidance, it seems to me that Martinez should already be capable of making this decision on his own.

Fans lose their heads in the world of recruiting psychoanalyzing these kids. It's one of the several reasons I'm happy not following the recruiting season anymore. I prefer not to follow these kids as they make up their mind and just see where the chips land. It makes me think fondly of the old days when the closest I got to the meat processing factory that is CFB recruiting was waiting for my dad's copy of Blue Chip Illustrated to arrive after LOI day.

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Here are the words "provide guidance" in the dictionary.

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PROVIDE: "To make available, furnish."

GUIDANCE: "Advise or counseling, especially that provided for students choosing a course of study or preparing for a vocation."

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I wrote what I meant - no euphemisms. If I meant "make the decision for" Martinez that's what I would have written.

You think he doesn't need any advise or counseling by a mature adult, with only Martinez's best interests at heart, fine with me. I think it could help him.

His flipping commitments from Cal to Tennessee to Nebraska are facts. And, yes, he has the right to keep flipping to as many schools as will take him.

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One thing to consider. Every flip involved a coaching change. You always hear pick the school not the coach, but coaching changes do matter. Matt Corral a very highly touted QB from SoCal has just flipped again to Ole Miss. That makes 3 different schools for him. If Mafi flips to UCLA this weekend will he also be in need of some adult counseling or guidance.

So he committed to Cal, then the coach who recruited him got fired. Then he commits to Tennessee. Same thing happens. Coach who recruited him gets fired. I think I have that right. I'm not sure how much that had to do with his change of heart but it may have played some role. Lots of guys decommit after coaches get fired. I don't wish him any ill will.

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His behavior is immature, which is hurting him, and may limit his options if he decides his last "commit" needs to change. Slots are filling up, and coaches may decide they don't want to deal with a kid who doesn't know what he wants and can't keep his commitments. (See NYCGOBEARS initial comment as an example).

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I for one, don't consider his behavior immature. It is perfectly acceptable to change one's mind, and I don't believe his changing mind is negatively impacting his future. The only one's who believe changing one's commitment is bad are the fans of the schools left behind, which I always thought had to do more with ego issues of the fans than the best interest of the kid.

Also, in my experience, and the experience of my fiends, the college that you choose doesn't impact your life as much as society makes it out to be. The most important job skills: interpersonal communication, consensus-building, etc. are not learned via college classes. The fact is, most kids will end up in a career not related to their undergraduate major.

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Bear19 said:

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His behavior is immature, which is hurting him, and may limit his options if he decides his last "commit" needs to change. Slots are filling up, and coaches may decide they don't want to deal with a kid who doesn't know what he wants and can't keep his commitments. (See NYCGOBEARS initial comment as an example).

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I for one, don't consider his behavior immature. It is perfectly acceptable to change one's mind, and I don't believe his changing mind is negatively impacting his future. The only one's who believe changing one's commitment is bad are the fans of the schools left behind, which I always thought had to do more with ego issues of the fans than the best interest of the kid.

Also, in my experience, and the experience of my fiends, the college that you choose doesn't impact your life as much as society makes it out to be. The most important job skills: interpersonal communication, consensus-building, etc. are not learned via college classes. The fact is, most kids will end up in a career not related to their undergraduate major.

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I agree with that but in my experience the gravitas of the degree and alumni network does affect ones life. In addition when deciding to go to a school we told our kids can you imagine living there? Do you feel you are with your people? Because you will be living there 4-5 years. Also the network is tied to where the school is and you may want to see if you could live there post graduation. And yes we have a student-athlete in our family. Finally once a kid is in a school sports program chances are coaches are leaving while you are stuck or have to transfer and sit out. So yes the school is important.

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Cave Bear said:

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Bear19 said:

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Cave Bear said:

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Bear19 said:

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It's hard to be critical of a kid who changes his mind about where he wants to go to college. It's clear this kid really doesn't know where he wants to go, and is not getting the guidance (from parents?) that he needs.

One fact I do know: Many, many, many, many D1 coaches are duplicitous liars & abandon their offered players whenever it suits them. Who knows what Adrian Martinez had been told by recruiting coaches?

A mature adult, who only cares about the well being of Adrian Martinez, needs to provide the guidance he needs, soon.

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Mommy and daddy shouldn't be making this decision, nor some 'family adviser'. Wherever he chooses to go, Martinez himself is the one who is going to have to make it work--and is the one whose future will be on the line.

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Reread my comments.

Didn't suggest anyone should "make the decision for Martinez," but rather provide guidance. Big difference, which should be obvious.

It will be one of his biggest decisions, with lifelong consequences (both good & bad). When you see Martinez commit & decommit to multiple schools, you can see he hasn't the benefit of someone helping him understand that he can look at all the schools, consider their pluses & minuses, then decide.

His behavior is immature, which is hurting him, and may limit his options if he decides his last "commit" needs to change. Slots are filling up, and coaches may decide they don't want to deal with a kid who doesn't know what he wants and can't keep his commitments. (See NYCGOBEARS initial comment as an example).

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Are you sure guidance isn't a euphemism for "make the decision"? That's the implication I think should be drawn from that statement that Martinez doesn't know what he wants and his parents should intervene. If their intervention ultimately produces decisiveness in his selection, perhaps it may have been because with amazing finesse they somehow guided his decision in some manner that can't be construed as having made the decision for him, but that seems absurd. If they were capable of producing that with this guidance, it seems to me that Martinez should already be capable of making this decision on his own.

Fans lose their heads in the world of recruiting psychoanalyzing these kids. It's one of the several reasons I'm happy not following the recruiting season anymore. I prefer not to follow these kids as they make up their mind and just see where the chips land. It makes me think fondly of the old days when the closest I got to the meat processing factory that is CFB recruiting was waiting for my dad's copy of Blue Chip Illustrated to arrive after LOI day.

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Here are the words "provide guidance" in the dictionary.

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PROVIDE: "To make available, furnish."

GUIDANCE: "Advise or counseling, especially that provided for students choosing a course of study or preparing for a vocation."

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I wrote what I meant - no euphemisms. If I meant "make the decision for" Martinez that's what I would have written.

You think he doesn't need any advise or counseling by a mature adult, with only Martinez's best interests at heart, fine with me. I think it could help him.

His flipping commitments from Cal to Tennessee to Nebraska are facts. And, yes, he has the right to keep flipping to as many schools as will take him.

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I continue to disbelieve in the magical guidance that will suddenly resolve Martinez' indecision without doing anything that amounts to making the decision for him.

Cave Bear said:

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Bear19 said:

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Cave Bear said:

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Bear19 said:

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Cave Bear said:

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Bear19 said:

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It's hard to be critical of a kid who changes his mind about where he wants to go to college. It's clear this kid really doesn't know where he wants to go, and is not getting the guidance (from parents?) that he needs.

One fact I do know: Many, many, many, many D1 coaches are duplicitous liars & abandon their offered players whenever it suits them. Who knows what Adrian Martinez had been told by recruiting coaches?

A mature adult, who only cares about the well being of Adrian Martinez, needs to provide the guidance he needs, soon.

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Mommy and daddy shouldn't be making this decision, nor some 'family adviser'. Wherever he chooses to go, Martinez himself is the one who is going to have to make it work--and is the one whose future will be on the line.

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Reread my comments.

Didn't suggest anyone should "make the decision for Martinez," but rather provide guidance. Big difference, which should be obvious.

It will be one of his biggest decisions, with lifelong consequences (both good & bad). When you see Martinez commit & decommit to multiple schools, you can see he hasn't the benefit of someone helping him understand that he can look at all the schools, consider their pluses & minuses, then decide.

His behavior is immature, which is hurting him, and may limit his options if he decides his last "commit" needs to change. Slots are filling up, and coaches may decide they don't want to deal with a kid who doesn't know what he wants and can't keep his commitments. (See NYCGOBEARS initial comment as an example).

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Are you sure guidance isn't a euphemism for "make the decision"? That's the implication I think should be drawn from that statement that Martinez doesn't know what he wants and his parents should intervene. If their intervention ultimately produces decisiveness in his selection, perhaps it may have been because with amazing finesse they somehow guided his decision in some manner that can't be construed as having made the decision for him, but that seems absurd. If they were capable of producing that with this guidance, it seems to me that Martinez should already be capable of making this decision on his own.

Fans lose their heads in the world of recruiting psychoanalyzing these kids. It's one of the several reasons I'm happy not following the recruiting season anymore. I prefer not to follow these kids as they make up their mind and just see where the chips land. It makes me think fondly of the old days when the closest I got to the meat processing factory that is CFB recruiting was waiting for my dad's copy of Blue Chip Illustrated to arrive after LOI day.

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Here are the words "provide guidance" in the dictionary.

Quote:

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PROVIDE: "To make available, furnish."

GUIDANCE: "Advise or counseling, especially that provided for students choosing a course of study or preparing for a vocation."

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I wrote what I meant - no euphemisms. If I meant "make the decision for" Martinez that's what I would have written.

You think he doesn't need any advise or counseling by a mature adult, with only Martinez's best interests at heart, fine with me. I think it could help him.

His flipping commitments from Cal to Tennessee to Nebraska are facts. And, yes, he has the right to keep flipping to as many schools as will take him.

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I continue to disbelieve in the magical guidance that will suddenly resolve Martinez' indecision without doing anything that amounts to making the decision for him.

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Regardless of how he came to this recent decision, Nebraska with Frost as the HC will run an offense tailor made for a QB of Martinez's skill level.