CFB head coach salaries: Wilcox is 66th on this list

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Another Bear
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Cal89 said:

triplebear said:

...The fact he turned Cal around on defense says quite a bit, especially after the Sonny Dykes era of exceptionally poor defense. He also seems to make generally sound decisions and the staff generally adjusts at halftime...


Our D under SD I believe to be the worst ever over a four year stretch in CFB, at least in the modern era (available stats)...

Darn near miraculous that our D is surrendering just 28 PPG.

I agree with miraculous, and I think the defense will get better under Wilcox and Coach D, much better with talent. The foundation is there.

Dykes' defenses (or lack thereof) weren't just horrible and record setting but he carried it in from LaTech. He had a bottom feeding D there as well so that's 5 straight years. Basically he couldn't or wouldn't hire a good DC, and he horded talent on the offensive side. That's just general incompetence.
Cal84
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>I'm so ****ing tired of this myth.

I'm so ****ing tired of people in denial. Cal Athletics is running about negative 5 to 6 mill a year. When/if Wilcox has a good season and gets a medium sized offer which about quadruples his salary, that would inevitably come with a budget for coordinators/assistants and recruiting expenses which ramps up similarly. So now you are talking about 8-10 mill per year Cal Athletics would need to come up with to match. You think the AD has the authority to go -$15 mill a year? Think again.

And so when/if Wilcox and his staff get that offer, Cal Athletics can not match. Instead they must tell Wilcox, "give me some time and I think I can raise the money and make a competitive offer". Can Cal actually raise that kind of money? Who knows? It doesn't really matter since whatever school recruiting Wilcox will have surely made their offer with a 48 hr (or less) window. And so you are counting on Wilcox and his staff to give up on a quadrupling of their compensation for a maybe that Cal would give them something of undetermined size later down the road. This is not a recipe for success.

The claim that historically Cal has not lost a football coach to another university over pay is irrelevant. Because historically other schools did not have fat allocations from football TV contracts available to bid up coaching talent. Money which Cal has already allocated to pay for its non-revenue sports. Cal Athletics must make a decision to either 1) cut non-revenue sports to eliminate the deficit and free up money to be competitive in the long run in football or 2) continue as is with a lowest in the P12 football budget which allows lots of nice non-revenue sports to survive.
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Cal84 said:

>I'm so ****ing tired of this myth.

I'm so ****ing tired of people in denial. Cal Athletics is running about negative 5 to 6 mill a year. When/if Wilcox has a good season and gets a medium sized offer which about quadruples his salary, that would inevitably come with a budget for coordinators/assistants and recruiting expenses which ramps up similarly. So now you are talking about 8-10 mill per year Cal Athletics would need to come up with to match. You think the AD has the authority to go -$15 mill a year? Think again.

And so when/if Wilcox and his staff get that offer, Cal Athletics can not match. Instead they must tell Wilcox, "give me some time and I think I can raise the money and make a competitive offer". Can Cal actually raise that kind of money? Who knows? It doesn't really matter since whatever school recruiting Wilcox will have surely made their offer with a 48 hr (or less) window. And so you are counting on Wilcox and his staff to give up on a quadrupling of their compensation for a maybe that Cal would give them something of undetermined size later down the road. This is not a recipe for success.

The claim that historically Cal has not lost a football coach to another university over pay is irrelevant. Because historically other schools did not have fat allocations from football TV contracts available to bid up coaching talent. Money which Cal has already allocated to pay for its non-revenue sports. Cal Athletics must make a decision to either 1) cut non-revenue sports to eliminate the deficit and free up money to be competitive in the long run in football or 2) continue as is with a lowest in the P12 football budget which allows lots of nice non-revenue sports to survive.
The "medium sized" offer that quadruple his salary would tie him with Urban Meyer for 4th highest paid coach in the coach in the country. So you start off on shaky ground.

Cal was already paying Dykes almost twice as much. It will not be hard to double Wilcox' salary if he shows enough success to get that kind of offer. It is very unlikely he will get an offer to quadruple his salary. If he does, he will have had to have had massive success here.

His salary increase will be paid by donors. It is not coming from the general athletic department budget. Donors ponied up for Monty, Braun, Tedford. They negotiated with Snyder to pony up, but the chancellor nixed it. There was no amount of money that was going to stop Mooch from taking what was at the time the #1 football coaching position in the world. Donors are definitely tired of throwing good money after bad, but they have shown they will pay for proven success. If he develops a top ten program, the donors will pay what it takes.

TV money is just a new argument to keep the same tired old worry going. There is always a reason why now is different from all the times people pulled the fire alarm. So don't watch Cal football then. If we lose we lose. If we win we lose. What is the point? I have to agree with Yogi on this one. This is a myth. What is more, it is a myth that hurts the program.

I agree with you about cutting non-revenue sports - I've said this for years. Shore up revenue sports and you can add programs back if you become financially stable enough to do so. A far bigger concern is not that Cal won't pay a head coach as they've figured that one out. It is that they won't pay all the assistants enough as they have not proven they understand that necessity.

That said, this worry is very premature. Wilcox is not going to get a huge offer for making a 5-7 team go roughly .500. (though it is a bigger accomplishment than it might seem on paper). Baldwin is not getting a big time offer based on this year's results. DeRuyter is not getting a HC offer for a while after his record at FSU. He will need to rehabilitate himself more. He could get a DC offer. But we were willing to pay Tosh a lot, and now that DeRuyter has proven himself, I don't see a problem matching.

I would love to see the staff get a one year extension and a nice bump in pay for accomplishing this year's goals. They have done a good job. As good as could be expected. They have not proven themselves to be in the $6M HC and $2M per coordinator range. I'll "worry" about that when it comes to pass. Or, more likely I'll be massively celebrating somewhere based on that success.
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Big C said:

Right now, he's making market value for a first-year guy with his resume. Hopefully, as his market value increases (as it appears to be doing before our very eyes), the powers that be will be wise enough to keep paying him what he's worth.

Hopefully...
And hopefully Cal hired a coach who isn't looking to use Cal as a stepping stone at the first opportunity.

Yes, we hope the admin is in front of this, but we also hope Wilcox has some interest in staying here and building something and will work with the admin to make this his long-time home.

Dykes was clearly whoring himself out and just using Cal for his own means. Cuonzo Martin was kind of the same way (just more successful at actually winning and thus actually got a bite). But not all coaches are like those two, or Tosh. Many view it as a partnership. Hopefully Wilcox is one of those.
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BearSD said:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Half a dozen mid-major head coaches have higher salaries according to this list, and Wilcox's salary is only $50,000 more than what Fresno State is paying Tedford.

Cal better ante up, and might have to do so before a new AD is hired.

Wow, Shaw makes almost $5.7 million and is the 7th highest paid coach in the country.
DRCal68
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oskirules said:

I'm surprised they published Navy's Ken Niumatalolo's salary at $2 million, I wonder if this is from donors or taxpayers?
All Navy sports are funded by donors and gate/TV revenue.
Cal84
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>The "medium sized" offer that quadruple his salary would tie him with Urban Meyer for 4th highest paid coach in the coach in the country. So you start off on shaky ground.

New coaching contracts will push up towards the higher end of a coaching salary ranking which is naturally comprised of historical contracts. This year we will probably see Nebraska and Tennessee start their search procedures with a $5-6 mill range. That's not to say that's where they'll end up. They could go the "young Turk" route and pay less. But it could also go above that range, for example if Nebraska and WSU get into a bidding war.

Can Wilcox attract that kind of an offer? Not this year, even if Cal wins out. But somewhere down the line if he pieces together a timeline of improving performance and caps it off with a run to the end of the season, yeah he can. If Wilcox were to pull a Tedford 2004, he certainly would get that kind of an offer.

As far as myths go, saying that donors will simply pony up money to match such an offer is the myth. It's not just the extra $4 mill for the HC. Double that after you add in bumps for OC/DC/Head Recruiter/assistants. Add more for planes and expenses for recruiting. And if it's $8-10 mill a year extra, you can't just get a donor to write a check for that amount. They need to commit to that each and every year. Even if you use an aggressive discount rate to simulate a cut tail, you are talking about a PV of $40-50 mill. It's not clear to me if even USC could raise that kind of money. Sure as hell Cal can not in a 48 hr window. Stating that doesn't hurt the program. Pretending it's not a problem is what's hurting the program.

And let's stop also pretending Cal football has never lost a coach because it couldn't match a pay offer. We both know it has happened. Yeah there will be those that say, "good riddance". But that didn't stop us for trying to get him back later did it?
6956bear
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This discussion is so Cal. The team is 4-4 and showing a pulse so lets pay this guy now. He took the job, he knew the limitations and embraced them publically. 4-4 has coaches elsewhere on the hot seat. The Team is 1-4 in conference play. The road ahead is still long with all sorts of bumps.

The fanbase at Cal views the program as "Mickey Mouse" and sees 4-4 as a "miracle". So therefore JW must be a miracle worker and needs to be extended and given a raise that is commensurate with the top coaches. It is this sort of think that has kept Cal near the bottom for so damn long.

The team is as likely to go 5-7 as 7-5 in fact probably more likely. Let the season finish and see what happens elsewhere. There will be coaches let go and Cal will need to be prepared to act should some program make a play for Wilcox. But this knee jerk reaction to a 4-4 season and some list is typical of why Cal has trouble developing a winning program. JW will get his money if the program is successful. The problem IMO is many folks feel 4-4 is successful. Only at Cal.

Money ensures nothing. Yes you need to be able to pay to keep your top coaches, but there are lots of coaches on that list making a whole lot of money that are not winning. JW is 4-4. Hardly a track record to hang your hat on and open up the wallet to keep. I like Wilcox and feel he can do a good job reviving the program. But way to soon to make a longer commitment for more money. He is not going to be offered the job at Tennessee or Texas A&M. Lets enjoy the progress and watch the team finish the season.

How many would want to extend him with a substantial raise if the team loses today at Colorado?
BerlinerBaer
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6956bear said:

How many would want to extend him with a substantial raise if the team loses today at Colorado?
Nobody hopefully. I didn't quote the rest of your post but it was spot on.

Many Cal fans wanted Tedford's skin in 2009 when Cal went 8-4. Now 8-4 (which isn't happening this season anyway) is the threshold where Cal loses their head coach? To which program?

Wilcox won't get a single look his way if Cal finishes 6-6. Those of you who think otherwise must also think he himself is actively looking. Flush Dykes from your memories and get a grip.
Cal84
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>The team is as likely to go 5-7 as 7-5 in fact probably more likely. Let the season finish and see what happens elsewhere. There will be coaches let go and Cal will need to be prepared to act should some program make a play for Wilcox.

Totally agree

>JW will get his money if the program is successful. The problem IMO is many folks feel 4-4 is successful. Only at Cal.

Totally disagree. Am pretty sure Kansas would think 4-4 is a success. There are others. So no, Cal has not hit the bottom of the barrel. But it's a reality that Cal has had two .500 or better seasons in the last 7 years (since the 2010 Cal Athletics financial crisis). And thus whether or not you are mentally at the point of believing .500 is a success, it is above average in the current TV contract era.

>How many would want to extend him with a substantial raise if the team loses today at Colorado?

Really don't think it's necessary even if he wins at Colorado. But I do think it is necessary for Cal Athletics to get its financial house in order now. Not if/when Cal football strings together an 8-4 season. The "Don't fix it until you are forced to" strategy was Sandy's way. It did not end well.


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