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I look forward to Wilcox elevating the program to something close to the good Tedford years.

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Which means every five years or so Cal can make a run at the Holiday Bowl. Or "something close to" it.

That isn't much to look forward to.

Keep in mind Furd makes REGULAR visits to the Rose Bowl, and we're "looking forward" to a sweet 9-win season and a slightly-above-mediocre bowl. Or something close.

That's just pathetic.

Conclusion: we're tierable at times, very tierable.

Uthaithani said:

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flounder said:

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I look forward to Wilcox elevating the program to something close to the good Tedford years.

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Which means every five years or so Cal can make a run at the Holiday Bowl. Or "something close to" it.

That isn't much to look forward to.

Keep in mind Furd makes REGULAR visits to the Rose Bowl, and we're "looking forward" to a sweet 9-win season and a slightly-above-mediocre bowl. Or something close.

That's just pathetic.

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For Cal to have greater success I believe our Alums and Fans need to buy tickets, go to games, promote Cal and made donations if they are able to.

Just curious Uth...do you go to Cal games?

71Bear said:

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Here is mine:

Alabama
Clemson
Florida State
LSU
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
USC
Ohio State
Texas ??
Penn State
Michigan
Georgia

Cal is in the vast middle class of college football....

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Texas is on the same level as Alabama, Clemson, etc.? Yeah, you're a real college football expert.

Agree that Cal football has been mediocre at best recently. So what? That fact and $2.95 gets you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Enough with the constant Cal bashing. The only question I'm interested in is what Bowl will we go to this year. We'll know that by the end of the regular season. Cal is the undisputed #1 Public University in the WORLD. Bash that.

Bear19 said:

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71Bear said:

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Here is mine:

Alabama
Clemson
Florida State
LSU
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
USC
Ohio State
Texas ??
Penn State
Michigan
Georgia

Cal is in the vast middle class of college football....

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Texas is on the same level as Alabama, Clemson, etc.? Yeah, you're a real college football expert.

Agree that Cal football has been mediocre at best recently. So what? That fact and $2.95 gets you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Enough with the constant Cal bashing. The only question I'm interested in is what Bowl will we go to this year. We'll know that by the end of the regular season. Cal is the undisputed #1 Public University in the WORLD. Bash that.

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A couple thoughts...

Cal is not the undisputed #1 public university in the world. Given how subjective the rankings are, no one can claim that title. I would suggest the statement that Cal is consistently ranked among the top public universities in the world is far more accurate.

Texas has a long and glorious football tradition. That accounts for their inclusion. Heck, even Alabama stumbled for a period immediately prior to the Saban era. However, no one questions their ranking as a Top Tier program. Texas will be back. The resources they have at their disposal and their position as the premier program in Texas ensure that will happen. They are definitely a Top Tier program.

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NVBear78 said:

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71Bear, Cal is not a second tier football school under Coach Wilcox and the kids they have identified and recruited are not second tier recruits.

I share the other posters questions about the ratings of many of the Cal kids and expect some ratings to improve by their senior year and more importantly expect many of our kids to outplay the rating.

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It depends on your standard for Tier One...

Here is mine:

Alabama
Clemson
Florida State
LSU
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
USC
Ohio State
Texas
Penn State
Michigan
Georgia

If you think Cal belongs in that group, well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Cal is in the vast middle class of college football....

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What about Nebraska, Tennessee and Florida? Okay, they have been a little down lately, but then so has Texas. If they're not in Tier One, how many tiers do you have, because I'd put them in a higher tier than Cal. (UW also in higher tier).

Maybe there's five tiers and Cal's in Tier Three. Hey. maybe our new t-shirts could read "STRIVING TOWARDS TIER TWO!"

Big C said:

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71Bear said:

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NVBear78 said:

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71Bear, Cal is not a second tier football school under Coach Wilcox and the kids they have identified and recruited are not second tier recruits.

I share the other posters questions about the ratings of many of the Cal kids and expect some ratings to improve by their senior year and more importantly expect many of our kids to outplay the rating.

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It depends on your standard for Tier One...

Here is mine:

Alabama
Clemson
Florida State
LSU
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
USC
Ohio State
Texas
Penn State
Michigan
Georgia

If you think Cal belongs in that group, well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Cal is in the vast middle class of college football....

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What about Nebraska, Tennessee and Florida? Okay, they have been a little down lately, but then so has Texas. If they're not in Tier One, how many tiers do you have, because I'd put them in a higher tier than Cal. (UW also in higher tier).

Maybe there's five tiers and Cal's in Tier Three. Hey. maybe our new t-shirts could read "STRIVING TOWARDS TIER TWO!"

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Great question...

Nebraska - They were definitely top tier under Devaney and Osborne. However, they lost their way after they fired Solich. Now they wander in the vast middle class. Will Frost restore the luster?

Tennessee - a great history dating back to Gen. Neyland. However, they completely went off the rails after Fulmer was fired. Now that he is back (albeit as the AD), TN could restore the glory. Is Pruitt another Saban protege success like Smart?

What is interesting is the similarity in the TN and NE narratives - fire a good coach who was responsible for a solid program because they are hoping for more. Both programs lost their way, and now, after hiring a wunderkind, are hoping for a return to the good ol' days.

Florida - zero tradition, before Spurrier (the player) did they even have a program? Heck, without Tebow, they have done nothing to warrant inclusion at the top tier table. In essence, a flash across the college football sky. Nothing more...

Stewart Mandel's model is four tiers. He has Cal in tier three. I would like to think of the Bears as a tier two program. If not today, certainly in a couple years - Wilcox has things headed in the right direction....

I think Fulmer was past his prime. Heck, didn't his Vols lose to some Tier Three program, non-conference? It was time for a change. Problem was, they went for sizzle, instead of steak.

71Bear said:

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Texas will be back. The resources they have at their disposal and their position as the premier program in Texas ensure that will happen. They are definitely a Top Tier program.

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Based on their performance over the last 10 years, Texas is definitely not Top Tier. Top Tier programs do not lose two years in a row to S. Dykes & the worst defence in NCAA history.