DavisBear said:

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It's clear we had some play calling issues, BUT the real issue is NO playmakers on offense

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No, it isn't. It is true that we don't have enough playmakers on offense. But THE issue is unquestionably throwing games away by unecessrily playing a turnover machine at QB.

PtownBear1 said:

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Baldwin is so terrible at his job that he didn't even put in macilwain in the one scenario where he should have been in at the very end when we need a Hail Mary.

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Yup, if were gonna go long and throw bombs, thats where you want that arm.

GoCal80 said:

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I think Einstein was talking about playing McIlwain when he said

"Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results"

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We had every chance to win this game, and we blew on our own unforced errors. For Bear fans, heartbreak is forever,

Wilcox better be making calls and putting out feelers for a new OC. This loss in on Baldy and his piss *****g poor decision making. Unbelievable!

Vegas Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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Strykur said:

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If Garbers plays every down:

We probably beat Arizona
We don't **** the bed versus UCLA
We have the lead right now maybe

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Probably, yes.

And not because Garbers is amazing right now. It's just because he's far better at managing the game.

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I doubt it. Garbers is horrible. McIlwain can move the ball, but he can't hold onto it. Garbers can't move the ball. He's awful

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Really? Tell me about all the times McIlwain moved the ball in this game.

Vegas Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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Strykur said:

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If Garbers plays every down:

We probably beat Arizona
We don't **** the bed versus UCLA
We have the lead right now maybe

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Probably, yes.

And not because Garbers is amazing right now. It's just because he's far better at managing the game.

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I doubt it. Garbers is horrible. McIlwain can move the ball, but he can't hold onto it. Garbers can't move the ball. He's awful

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Garbers is passable for a freshman. The team moved the ball better with him, for the most part.

At least we covered, right?

Yogi Bear said:

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Vegas Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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Strykur said:

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If Garbers plays every down:

We probably beat Arizona
We don't **** the bed versus UCLA
We have the lead right now maybe

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Probably, yes.

And not because Garbers is amazing right now. It's just because he's far better at managing the game.

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I doubt it. Garbers is horrible. McIlwain can move the ball, but he can't hold onto it. Garbers can't move the ball. He's awful

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Really? Tell me about all the times McIlwain moved the ball in this game.

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1. That one jump ball he completed on the deep pass.
2. ???

Baldy needs to go - the body of evidence this year is statistically significant. The second to worst D in the pac 12 is prolific compared to Cal.

Gkhoury2325 said:

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If we have a decent PAC 12 QB and OC we win. Tough loss.

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Garbers is decent. We need decent receivers.

PtownBear1 said:

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Baldwin is so terrible at his job that he didn't even put in macilwain in the one scenario where he should have been in at the very end when we need a Hail Mary.

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This is a really good point. I hope Wilcox is up to the task: he needs some new coaches/recruiters on offense. Strategy is horrible even acknowledging that we have very, very little talent on that side of the ball.

Seriously, the stakes aren't as high but I haven't been this disappointed in a game since 2006 Arizona.

Baldwin absolutely gave this game away. With the stupid high-risk trick play that he idiotically trusts our turnover machine with (on first and goal!), and almost even moreso with the playcalling on the drive after the missed field goal. To throw it downfield was moronic for several reasons, given that we haven't demonstrated any ability to actually do it, given that it stops the clock when we need to burn it, and given that we have one timeout left when giving the ball back to Wazzu's clock-burning offense.

With even more program credibility - and more importantly, a bowl game which our players should have earned - on the line, Baldwin demonstrated his stubborn incompetence. He gets paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for this? Bullsh__t.

Vegas Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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Strykur said:

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If Garbers plays every down:

We probably beat Arizona
We don't **** the bed versus UCLA
We have the lead right now maybe

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Probably, yes.

And not because Garbers is amazing right now. It's just because he's far better at managing the game.

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I doubt it. Garbers is horrible. McIlwain can move the ball, but he can't hold onto it. Garbers can't move the ball. He's awful

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Garbers is not a turnover machine like McIlwain is, not even close.

Our most athletic player on offense is a QB who can't actually play the position...so why not move him?

Vegas Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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Strykur said:

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If Garbers plays every down:

We probably beat Arizona
We don't **** the bed versus UCLA
We have the lead right now maybe

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Probably, yes.

And not because Garbers is amazing right now. It's just because he's far better at managing the game.

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I doubt it. Garbers is horrible. McIlwain can move the ball, but he can't hold onto it. Garbers can't move the ball. He's awful

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Garbers may not be the next Aaron Rodgers (or even healthy Nate Longshore), but the OL and receivers are really not helping him.

We should have hired Leach after the Texas Tech debacle. Now I say we hire Craig James to replace Big Beau.

TouchedTheAxeIn82 said:

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This loss is on Baldwin 100%.

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Yep.

RighteousGoldenBear said:

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Wilcox better be making calls and putting out feelers for a new OC. This loss in on Baldy and his piss *****g poor decision making. Unbelievable!

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Save the making calls and putting out feelers part for later. Just pull a Pat Haden and take Baldwin aside tonight after the team plane lands at the airport. Make one of the other offensive assistants the interim OC for the rest of the season.

Oklahoma fired its DC in midseason after a few inexcusably bad games.

tim94501 said:

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Bmac is atrocious but garbers is not a pac 12 level qb.

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I don't agree with your Garbers evaluation. Offensive line was a sieve. Play calling was **** and receivers seldom got open. It's just a mess. Garbers likely serviceable with better support. Not to mention the qc rotation is stupid and ruins rhythm.

tim94501 said:

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Bmac is atrocious but garbers is not a pac 12 level qb.

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Garbers is just a freshman. He will improve. And he is playing due to the injury to Bowers.

They are who we thought they were!




And we let 'em off the hook.

Inconceivable

tim94501 said:

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Bmac is atrocious but garbers is not a pac 12 level qb.

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You may be right about Garbers, but remember he is a RS FRESHMAN! He got minimal reps during Fall camp. He didn't even play in two of our losses. And he is getting pulled several times per game. We already know what BMac can do. I would love to see what Garbers can do if given a real chance.

Atrocious loss. Ruins any momentum the team had. This is why Cal hasn't gone to a rose bowl in half a century

RighteousGoldenBear said:

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Wilcox better be making calls and putting out feelers for a new OC. This loss in on Baldy and his piss *****g poor decision making. Unbelievable!

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I hear Hue Jackson is available.

So frustrated. The only possible reason we're running this offense is to keep a novel two QB system off film for the Big Game... And I'm sorry but that is not even a good enough reason because it is as stupid an idea as it sounds BB.

You can't blame the WRs. Noa, Duncan and Wharton all balled out with Spavital. The WRs are good enough to be better than the worst O in the PAC 12. Blame is 100% on Baldy the tele-tubby.

sycasey said:

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Vegas Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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Strykur said:

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If Garbers plays every down:

We probably beat Arizona
We don't **** the bed versus UCLA
We have the lead right now maybe

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Probably, yes.

And not because Garbers is amazing right now. It's just because he's far better at managing the game.

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I doubt it. Garbers is horrible. McIlwain can move the ball, but he can't hold onto it. Garbers can't move the ball. He's awful

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Garbers is passable for a freshman. The team moved the ball better with him, for the most part.

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The team moved the ball because of stupid third down
Penalties by WSU.

You can't play McIlwain. He shouldn't see the field again. But you can't play Garbers either. He's terrible. Too bad bowers was mishandled as is probably going to transfer. Next year will probably look a lot like this one.

Garbers performance so far this season is worse than Bowers last year. That having been said, both are (were) ineffective vs. better opponents. In defense of each of them, this was their first season of D1 football. This just shows how badly we need to get bowl eligible so we have 3 additional weeks of practice. These young QBs, including BM, need it badly.

Vegas Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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Vegas Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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Strykur said:

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If Garbers plays every down:

We probably beat Arizona
We don't **** the bed versus UCLA
We have the lead right now maybe

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Probably, yes.

And not because Garbers is amazing right now. It's just because he's far better at managing the game.

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I doubt it. Garbers is horrible. McIlwain can move the ball, but he can't hold onto it. Garbers can't move the ball. He's awful

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Garbers is passable for a freshman. The team moved the ball better with him, for the most part.

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The team moved the ball because of stupid third down
Penalties by WSU.

You can't play McIlwain. He shouldn't see the field again. But you can't play Garbers either. He's terrible. Too bad bowers was mishandled as is probably going to transfer. Next year will probably look a lot like this one.

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Bowers is injured. Garbers is the best option right now.

Bring Geoff McArthur back as WR coach and bring in a legit OC.

I agree. Which is why the real problem is that Garbers sucks.

Baldy is also to blame for BMac forcing it - he's trying to go for the jugular every play to win back his job - which makes him extra dangerous to play.

Baldwin listens to that free U2 album that Apple forced on its customers. That's all I got.

Hue Jackson as OC would be great - or Haley