Baldwin will continue to play BM

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oskidunker
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Garbers parents will see a lot more of their son playing qb. Unless , in a surprise move, Bowers starts The a Big Game ala Steve Levy.
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
calumnus
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1st of all too much of a deal is being made over McIlwain. He is a symptom not the cause of our bad offense. The coaches put him in hoping for a "dynamic play" because they are unable to create and call plays that generate a sustained drive for a score.

Laird bailed them out last year, but he has lost a step and only got 2.0 ypc last night. No, we don't have dynamic players, so we really need creative scheme and playcalling. Unable to do that our brain trust just puts McIlwain in and hopes he can create something. In the early games it mostly worked and he was our leading rusher/scorer. What we have seen is it is unnecessarily risky, especially when used predictably against good teams. Having McIlwain pass 40 times and not run was bizarre. A good offensive plan with Garbers is the way to victory, but our coaches don't seem to be capable.
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The "dynamic" player theory is bogus. Garbers was moving the team well when BM was put in. Cal wasn't desperate; Cal was in reliable kicking distance that would have taken the lead. Moreover, BM's upside v. turnovers make him the wrong kind of dynamic.
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I'm not saying that it is a positive for the coaching staff. I am saying that it is neither insane nor incompetent which is what I see a large number of posters asserting.

Someone can make a mistake, make the wrong call, be impatient, without being insane or incompetent.

This is exacerbated by the fact that you are dealing with young men who you are paid to encourage and believe in. Wilcox and Baldwin have this offense not by design. It's not like they are creating a system that intentionally pairs an elite defense with a conservative offense. They are here because of what they inherited. So they feel it is their job to try to do something to help the offense. The longer the game goes on without the offense clicking, the more likely they will try something risky to get things going. The main tool that they have to do this is Brandon. It hasn't worked out.

Giving up on taking risks to help the offense get chunk plays is probably not in either of their nature. But given the tools that they have, it's probably the right decision. The fact that it has taken this many failed tries to give up is frustrating for fans but not necessarily indicative of fatally flawed coaches.
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pappysghost said:

That's one of the ironies in all this- he could help us more at wr or rb! It's mind boggling to me that two coaches that have been around the game for so long can't see it. My original premise is the only explanation that makes any sense to me.
See MoragaBears' posts on the possibility of BMac at RB:.

1. He's the backup QB, so they're not switching his position (of course, maybe Forrest should be #2, but still...)

2. The whole put-him-at-RB idea is a flawed argument:

a. At RB, he's not going to be as productive a runner as he is from the QB position

b. Surprise throws from the RB aren't going to fool defenses for very long, plus it takes one more receiver or blocker out of the equation.

I think using BMac as an OCCASIONAL change of pace is fine. We even kept 'em guessing by having him throw a couple of times on 1st down (successfully). The problem yesterday was we started going to it too often. Plus, GOOD GOD, not in the 4th quarter when we need a score! (That's when almost all of his turnovers have happened.)

Could he be an effective WR for us? Maybe next year? Maybe.
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LunchTime said:

mcilwain will 100% without a doubt in my mind be booed in his own stadium against his rival when he gets put in against furd. Not by a small group of people either.

I won't do it, but I know it's coming.
I've never booed student-athletes (they risk their necks for my entertainment), except after an obvious dirty play resulting in injury (and tiger woods). But I'd be willing to join the chorus especially if a repeat of this weekend's decision results in another BG loss if a MODIFIED boo is used making clear who is being criticized:
BoooooooooooooooEAU!
BoooooooooooooLDWIN!
Nasal Mucus Goldenbear
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evanluck said:

The longer the game goes on without the offense clicking, the more likely they will try something risky to get things going. The main tool that they have to do this is Brandon.
Good point but that risk should be taken in the 1st half ONLY. If BM can't get things going then by ground & air, there's no chance he'll do so when he tries to do too much and starts committing TOs. If he can get things going in the first half, let CG safely close out the game.
Golden One
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pappysghost said:

The coaches don't want to "give up" on him because they don't want to admit they made a bad choice and/or they can not coach him over the hump. It's very hard for a coach or a teacher to give up on a player or a student - especially when you know something well. I've had similar experiences at work where I really should cut someone lose, but figure I can coach them up. They have lost their objectivity in this case to the detriment of the team. BM could contribute in a limited, well defined role where we use his legs and on rare occasions, as a surprise, he throws; but he looks like a fish out of water as a general QB - and Baldwin sees that as a challenge. The mistake is he's putting his own ego and the success of 1 kid ahead of the team.
Brandon McIlwain should never see the field again in a Cal uniform. He cost us the game yesterday, and his 8 turnovers in very limited playing time should tell the coaching staff he needs to stay on the bench. If Baldwin's ego is too big to allow him to recognize this, he has to go.
Golden One
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SoFlaBear said:

If he weren't so fumble-prone, I'd say put him at tailback/H-back in 3rd down situations. He is a dynamic runner, and I don't mind a running back who is a threat to pass, but there need to be clear rules.

What I see in B-Mac is 1) someone who probably needs to put on 10-20 lbs in the weight room (probably not an idea that thrills his baseball coaches), and 2) someone that really needs an off season of 1 on 1 work with a quarterback guru who can improve his decision making. He's a gifted athlete, but he is not capable of playing QB at this level at this time.
He needs to stick with baseball and forget about football. He is too big a liability on the gridiron.
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mbBear said:

I missed the part where Baldwin got promoted to Head Coach?
If Wilcox agreed with you even the slightest, then where is the change? I'm not defending Baldwin particularly, but I love how Wilcox seems to get a pass on this whole 2 QB issue.
I have a feeling that after the ucLa game Big Justin stepped in and made the executive decision to de-wing BM for at least one game, and BB had to poutingly go along. Against WSU, BB convinced the boss of the need for a more explosive, scoring offense to keep up with Mustashew, so JW allowed BB to cautiously let fly his cross-eyed bird of prey. BB felt vindicated in his affections when BM made the long completion to Mo Ways which led to a FG. I choose to believe JW is as upset as the rest of us in BB's personnel decision on the short red zone pass requiring touch late in the game, but he thinks not wise to criticize his pal in public. I also choose to believe and predict JW will again de-wing BM for the next 2 games (or maybe the de-winging will only be for 2nd halves which are when BM loses his head)--and there ain't nuttin BB can do about it. The only possible exception is when a hailmary is called for at the end of a half.
Trumpanzee
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Well when we don't make it to a bowl game they will have an extra month......wait isn't he a senior? Never mind, we'll just have to live with a couple of more weeks of stupidity.

pappysghost said:

The coaches don't want to "give up" on him because they don't want to admit they made a bad choice and/or they can not coach him over the hump. It's very hard for a coach or a teacher to give up on a player or a student - especially when you know something well. I've had similar experiences at work where I really should cut someone lose, but figure I can coach them up. They have lost their objectivity in this case to the detriment of the team. BM could contribute in a limited, well defined role where we use his legs and on rare occasions, as a surprise, he throws; but he looks like a fish out of water as a general QB - and Baldwin sees that as a challenge. The mistake is he's putting his own ego and the success of 1 kid ahead of the team.
CalGrad95
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Big C said:


I think using BMac as an OCCASIONAL change of pace is fine. We even kept 'em guessing by having him throw a couple of times on 1st down (successfully).


The only guessing anyone does when BMI is on the field, is how many points he is going to score for our opponent.

It's time to end the experiment, and go with Garbers full-time, with Forest as his back up.
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