Sitting in the first row of the end zone, it was clear to me in warmups that Chase G. was susceptible to interceptions. His throws had no zip. Honestly, I think I could have run drills with little to no damage to my hands. Unacceptable.

This being the last game of the year, BMAC would definitely have seen time under center in the 4th quarter, if I were coaching. He's one of the fastest players on the team. He also showed the ability to manage the short passing game. His lack of ball security gives me gas. But that's what extra practices are for.

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And they played at that 111th level. The Bears have neither QB or. WR on the roster worthy of the names. This is the residue of the 'Bear Raid' smurfball offense. Overrated qb's who throw more interceptions the td's. Small, slow, injury prone unreliable receivers and no running backs. Perfect. Neither of the two star(?) receivers who left the program are playing anywhere. Georgia has real 5 star talent and can recognize such. Is there anyone not injured with more than 10 receptions all season? Where did the Tight Ends disappear to, the 'Twilight Zone'? JW won't have far to look for the source of the 'offensive' failures. BTW, Tedford promised the same 'deep dive' mumbo jumbo as His program spiraled into the ground remember? I expect the same 'nothing' public summary as to the source of the lack of offense.

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Residue of the Bear Raid?

As if the Air Raid has anything to do with this atrocious offensive showing?

No way bro this offense is entirely the making of the offensive staff.

Just like we saw in 2013-2016 on defense, schemes and coaching matter.

Wilcox has to do something to pull more production on offense and he has to combat the negative implications that this year has done to the programs image on that side of the ball. Dudes don't wanna play in this scheme.

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Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

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I had this argument with the sunshine people last year about the merits of going to a bowl game at 6-6. Among the arguments presented to me were how "critical" the extra practices were. I called bs and got hit pretty hard.

I will qualify and say, in this game, for this bowl game and against this opponent - the extra practices did NOTHING. And they only showed that - of the 4 QBs we have - we don't have a good one.

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The benefits of additional practices will not necessarily show in a single game (especially if you're judging our depleted offense against a strong defense like TCU). All else being equal, it's still better to get the extra practice time than not. I don't see a good argument against that.

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I would argue then that the basis for their argument is shaky since that is what they were saying. Extra prep time, two weeks to prepare for a known aipponent, looking at the "developmental guys" on the team did nothing to avoid an ugly loss.

I would also argue that I'm not sure what we have in terms of an development. They just don't seem to have the talent. Unless you believe it to be coaching.

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We were a 7-5 Power 5 team that lost in overtime by three points to a 6-6 Power 5 team. It looked "ugly" because both teams were good on defense and bad on offense, not because Cal was overmatched by the opponent. TCU also gets extra practice time of their own. So I'm not sure how the mere fact of the loss disproves anything about the practice time benefiting the team or program as a whole.

My argument is simply that, all else being equal, having more practice time is better than not having it. I still see no good argument against that.

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I think all of our QBs could make a case that extra practice time with this group of coaches made them worse. Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

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I can see evidence that the QBs have failed to improve their games with more experience. I see little evidence that they are WORSE.

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Every QB on our team was once good enough to play for us. Now, after training with this staff, they are on the bench. Looks they got worse to me.

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Your premise is wrong. Every QB on our team was recruited because the recruiting staff felt they had the potential to start for us. That is a proper premise.

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A flawed premise it seems since it appears there is no clear starter

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sycasey said:

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oskidunker said:

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Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

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I had this argument with the sunshine people last year about the merits of going to a bowl game at 6-6. Among the arguments presented to me were how "critical" the extra practices were. I called bs and got hit pretty hard.

I will qualify and say, in this game, for this bowl game and against this opponent - the extra practices did NOTHING. And they only showed that - of the 4 QBs we have - we don't have a good one.

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The benefits of additional practices will not necessarily show in a single game (especially if you're judging our depleted offense against a strong defense like TCU). All else being equal, it's still better to get the extra practice time than not. I don't see a good argument against that.

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I would argue then that the basis for their argument is shaky since that is what they were saying. Extra prep time, two weeks to prepare for a known aipponent, looking at the "developmental guys" on the team did nothing to avoid an ugly loss.

I would also argue that I'm not sure what we have in terms of an development. They just don't seem to have the talent. Unless you believe it to be coaching.

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We were a 7-5 Power 5 team that lost in overtime by three points to a 6-6 Power 5 team. It looked "ugly" because both teams were good on defense and bad on offense, not because Cal was overmatched by the opponent. TCU also gets extra practice time of their own. So I'm not sure how the mere fact of the loss disproves anything about the practice time benefiting the team or program as a whole.

My argument is simply that, all else being equal, having more practice time is better than not having it. I still see no good argument against that.

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The argument put forth last year was that the extra practices would help in the development of players - and the usual stuff about rewarding players with a bowl game, bowl payout, blah blah blah.

But it was also about recruiting and playing an attractive OOC opponent and putting our program "on display" for recruits. I suppose if you're a QB thinkin of coming to Cal - you're liking your chances of starting. But more to the point of the arguments put forth last year - the extra practices were supposed to help to play in the bowl game and beyond. I see nothing to suggest the extra practices helped in any aspect of the game - particularly at QB. When you have these bowl games they set the stage for what comes next year. At QB - we really don't have anything. Now - who do we put that on? The player or the coach? That's where this discussion needs to go.

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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oskidunker said:

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Total baloney that the extra practice helps. We got what we got. Practicing more with mediocre players did not make them better.

We overestinated our ability. Very poor quarterback management in this game. Ready to dump Baldwin. All four qbs cant be garbage.

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I had this argument with the sunshine people last year about the merits of going to a bowl game at 6-6. Among the arguments presented to me were how "critical" the extra practices were. I called bs and got hit pretty hard.

I will qualify and say, in this game, for this bowl game and against this opponent - the extra practices did NOTHING. And they only showed that - of the 4 QBs we have - we don't have a good one.

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The benefits of additional practices will not necessarily show in a single game (especially if you're judging our depleted offense against a strong defense like TCU). All else being equal, it's still better to get the extra practice time than not. I don't see a good argument against that.

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I would argue then that the basis for their argument is shaky since that is what they were saying. Extra prep time, two weeks to prepare for a known aipponent, looking at the "developmental guys" on the team did nothing to avoid an ugly loss.

I would also argue that I'm not sure what we have in terms of an development. They just don't seem to have the talent. Unless you believe it to be coaching.

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We were a 7-5 Power 5 team that lost in overtime by three points to a 6-6 Power 5 team. It looked "ugly" because both teams were good on defense and bad on offense, not because Cal was overmatched by the opponent. TCU also gets extra practice time of their own. So I'm not sure how the mere fact of the loss disproves anything about the practice time benefiting the team or program as a whole.

My argument is simply that, all else being equal, having more practice time is better than not having it. I still see no good argument against that.

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The argument put forth last year was that the extra practices would help in the development of players - and the usual stuff about rewarding players with a bowl game, bowl payout, blah blah blah.

But it was also about recruiting and playing an attractive OOC opponent and putting our program "on display" for recruits. I suppose if you're a QB thinkin of coming to Cal - you're liking your chances of starting. But more to the point of the arguments put forth last year - the extra practices were supposed to help to play in the bowl game and beyond. I see nothing to suggest the extra practices helped in any aspect of the game - particularly at QB. When you have these bowl games they set the stage for what comes next year. At QB - we really don't have anything. Now - who do we put that on? The player or the coach? That's where this discussion needs to go.

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You're basically just repeating your same argument so I think we're done here.

Well , we did better than Notre Dame. They got three points.

A valid argument.

Go Cowboys!!