I've been checking ESPN regularly to see if there is any news on replacing our dilapidated OC & QB coaching staff. Do you think he is waiting for after the bowl games? Is there a rule of recruiting coaching during the season? Or for God forbid, he plans on keeping these knuckeheads!

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I've been checking ESPN regularly to see if there is any news on replacing our dilapidated OC & QB coaching staff. Do you think he is waiting for after the bowl games? Is there a rule of recruiting coaching during the season? Or for God forbid, he plans on keeping these knuckeheads!

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Why check ESPN? Why not check Bruce Feldman's Twitter?

Troll, am curious to know how old you are. Your posts evidence a decided lack of life experience. Just curious.

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I've been checking ESPN regularly to see if there is any news on replacing our dilapidated OC & QB coaching staff. Do you think he is waiting for after the bowl games? Is there a rule of recruiting coaching during the season? Or for God forbid, he plans on keeping these knuckeheads!

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He's waiting for you to call him. Hurry up what are you waiting for?

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Troll, am curious to know how old you are. Your posts evidence a decided lack of life experience. Just curious.

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Bear19 - all you need to know is his choice of screen name: Troll.

Wow, didn't think I would get so many comments from stuck up snobs, must have been the kids who lost their lunch money to the school bully. Don't be so butt hurt!

A lot of bowls still need to be played, and Black Monday is tomorrow, so lots of potential candidates still to vet, why fire guys now without replacements lined up?

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Wow, didn't think I would get so many comments from stuck up snobs, must have been the kids who lost their lunch money to the school bully. Don't be so butt hurt!

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Not exactly a mature, reasoned response.

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I've been checking ESPN regularly to see if there is any news on replacing our dilapidated OC & QB coaching staff. Do you think he is waiting for after the bowl games? Is there a rule of recruiting coaching during the season? Or for God forbid, he plans on keeping these knuckeheads!

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Apparently Baldwin has a 3 year contract, so there would be additional money involved in firing him, making the whole issue a lot more complicated than just a Wilcox decision.

With 2 major issues to contend with...

• coaching
• improving the roster

it's possible that he is currently focusing on the later via recruiting.
Now is a good time for recruiting (unless it is the dead period??)
Once the bowls are over is a good time for shopping for coaches.

Curious, Miami didn't need to do a deep dive analysis

heartofthebear said:

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With 2 major issues to contend with...

• coaching
• improving the roster

it's possible that he is currently focusing on the later via recruiting.
Now is a good time for recruiting (unless it is the dead period??)
Once the bowls are over is a good time for shopping for coaches.

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Thank you for respectful answer to my question.

Coaches convention is Jan 6 - 9. Probably after that if changes would take place

https://www.afca.com/afca-convention/

get real. we have a major skill player problem. our group of athletes is sub par.

calgo430 said:

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get real. we have a major skill player problem. our group of athletes is sub par.

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We do have a skill player problem. If anyone is expecting us to have a good offense, I would question that.

However, I think not having an absolutely abysmal offense is a reasonable expectation. If anyone is claiming that an average offensive staff couldn't have gotten more out of this offense, I'd seriously question that as well. Couple that with objectively awful play calling in the bowl game and it is time to make a change.

That said, people need some patience. If something was going to happen it wasn't likely to happen yet . We fired our last head coach in January. Buh sat in an office for months. We've hired assistants well after LOI day. They probably need to get a donor to pay up for the buy out if that is what they want to do. Cal is slow.

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A lot of bowls still need to be played, and Black Monday is tomorrow, so lots of potential candidates still to vet, why fire guys now without replacements lined up?

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stop being so logical.

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I've been checking ESPN regularly to see if there is any news on replacing our dilapidated OC & QB coaching staff. Do you think he is waiting for after the bowl games? Is there a rule of recruiting coaching during the season? Or for God forbid, he plans on keeping these knuckeheads!

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Troll, are you related to calbear80 on the basketball forum? Man, people on this website sure love to have coaches fired! Do you think that maybe, just maybe, our offense sucked this year because of the players we had on the field?

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Troll said:

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I've been checking ESPN regularly to see if there is any news on replacing our dilapidated OC & QB coaching staff. Do you think he is waiting for after the bowl games? Is there a rule of recruiting coaching during the season? Or for God forbid, he plans on keeping these knuckeheads!

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Troll, are you related to calbear80 on the basketball forum? Man, people on this website sure love to have coaches fired! Do you think that maybe, just maybe, our offense sucked this year because of the players we had on the field?

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Do you think our defense sucked two years ago because of the (same as this year) players on the field?

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get real. we have a major skill player problem. our group of athletes is sub par.

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Recruiting is also part of the job description for coaches.

We are really going around in circles trying to assess the situation.

Conced : there are some talent issues ( even though there was less talent on the other side of the ball) side note ST's Ragle recruited Coutts (sp) and Vera no bad snaps in two seasons (I think).

Then look at the offensive a lot of attrition (never mind the reason why) what about the recruiting and player development?

I hope everything works out....

RedlessWardrobe said:

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Troll said:

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I've been checking ESPN regularly to see if there is any news on replacing our dilapidated OC & QB coaching staff. Do you think he is waiting for after the bowl games? Is there a rule of recruiting coaching during the season? Or for God forbid, he plans on keeping these knuckeheads!

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Troll, are you related to calbear80 on the basketball forum? Man, people on this website sure love to have coaches fired! Do you think that maybe, just maybe, our offense sucked this year because of the players we had on the field?

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Yes, that was definitely part of it. I have been saying that all year. But for us to not have a single competent QB on the roster is an absurdity. They were reasonably well regarded coming out of HS. I see their lack of development (regression?) as 100% about the quality of coaching they are receiving. Two years is enough. Time for changes, even if that only means at some skill positions.

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We are really going around in circles trying to assess the situation.

Conced : there are some talent issues ( even though there was less talent on the other side of the ball) side note ST's Ragle recruited Coutts (sp) and Vera no bad snaps in two seasons (I think).

Then look at the offensive a lot of attrition (never mind the reason why) what about the recruiting and player development?

I hope everything works out....

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The "assessments" are mostly being conducted by people who don't have a clue. The only assessment that matters is that which is being done by Wilcox. He is on the record as having said that he will review all aspects of the program. Until his assessment has been completed, no one is really in a position to critique the next steps for the program.

My advice - read the stuff written here for its amusement value. Don't take anything as a serious effort to assess the situation. As a group, fans are the bottom in the ranking of rationale, thoughtful analysts. That is why they are called FANatics....

71Bear said:

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going4roses said:

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We are really going around in circles trying to assess the situation.

Conced : there are some talent issues ( even though there was less talent on the other side of the ball) side note ST's Ragle recruited Coutts (sp) and Vera no bad snaps in two seasons (I think).

Then look at the offensive a lot of attrition (never mind the reason why) what about the recruiting and player development?

I hope everything works out....

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The "assessments" are mostly being conducted by people who don't have a clue. The only assessment that matters is that which is being done by Wilcox. He is on the record as having said that he will review all aspects of the program. Until his assessment has been completed, no one is really in a position to critique the next steps for the program.

My advice - read the stuff written here for its amusement value. Don't take anything as a serious effort to assess the situation. As a group, fans are the bottom in the ranking of rationale, thoughtful analysts. That is why they are called FANatics....

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Agreed
And so it is

71Bear said:

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going4roses said:

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We are really going around in circles trying to assess the situation.

Conced : there are some talent issues ( even though there was less talent on the other side of the ball) side note ST's Ragle recruited Coutts (sp) and Vera no bad snaps in two seasons (I think).

Then look at the offensive a lot of attrition (never mind the reason why) what about the recruiting and player development?

I hope everything works out....

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The "assessments" are mostly being conducted by people who don't have a clue. The only assessment that matters is that which is being done by Wilcox. He is on the record as having said that he will review all aspects of the program. Until his assessment has been completed, no one is really in a position to critique the next steps for the program.

My advice - read the stuff written here for its amusement value. Don't take anything as a serious effort to assess the situation. As a group, fans are the bottom in the ranking of rationale, thoughtful analysts. That is why they are called FANatics....

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There are other names that apply to many fans, such as season ticket holders and donors.

southseasbear said:

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71Bear said:

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going4roses said:

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We are really going around in circles trying to assess the situation.

Conced : there are some talent issues ( even though there was less talent on the other side of the ball) side note ST's Ragle recruited Coutts (sp) and Vera no bad snaps in two seasons (I think).

Then look at the offensive a lot of attrition (never mind the reason why) what about the recruiting and player development?

I hope everything works out....

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The "assessments" are mostly being conducted by people who don't have a clue. The only assessment that matters is that which is being done by Wilcox. He is on the record as having said that he will review all aspects of the program. Until his assessment has been completed, no one is really in a position to critique the next steps for the program.

My advice - read the stuff written here for its amusement value. Don't take anything as a serious effort to assess the situation. As a group, fans are the bottom in the ranking of rationale, thoughtful analysts. That is why they are called FANatics....

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There are other names that apply to many fans, such as season ticket holders and donors.

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That doesn't necessarily mean they are knowledgeable....

For example, I was a season ticket holder for over 35 years. I had lots of opinions but that is all they were - opinions.

Troll said:

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heartofthebear said:

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With 2 major issues to contend with...

• coaching
• improving the roster

it's possible that he is currently focusing on the later via recruiting.
Now is a good time for recruiting (unless it is the dead period??)
Once the bowls are over is a good time for shopping for coaches.

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Thank you for respectful answer to my question.

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You're welcome
Happy Holidays

I blame Buh.....
....but I trust Wilcox.

From everything I can tell, Wilcox is just not going to put up with "self inflicted wounds", even on offense.
I can tell he hates losing, but he really hates losing due to avoidable issues.

I realize that he has a weakness in that he does not know offense really well. And he is loyal to his coaches.
But he is also loyal to his players.

I wonder how much stomach acid was eating away at him, knowing that ILB Jordan K. was not going to experience a bowl win because of the embarrassingly poor play on offense. It almost brought him to tears as he sat next to JK at the post game presser.

Wilcox knows how much his defensive players work and he is not going to let them be dragged down by our current offensive struggles very much longer.

It may take some time to get all of the changes together, and it may take a while to see the results. But I believe that whatever can be done now is being done now.

For example, Baldwin may be on his way out, but, for budgetary reasons, we may not see it until a year from now.

I work for a very large retailer (does not begin with a W) and supervise 250 associates with an annual sales shy of 60 million. When I get transferred to a new store I don't replace "associates" I get the associates to work at a different level knowing that all do not have the same skill sets, but all have something to contribute to the "team". Probably why I have been employed by the same company for 32 years. And to answer your question, I am not related to Calbear80, but he sounds like a smart guy....

71Bear said:

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southseasbear said:

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71Bear said:

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going4roses said:

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We are really going around in circles trying to assess the situation.

Conced : there are some talent issues ( even though there was less talent on the other side of the ball) side note ST's Ragle recruited Coutts (sp) and Vera no bad snaps in two seasons (I think).

Then look at the offensive a lot of attrition (never mind the reason why) what about the recruiting and player development?

I hope everything works out....

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The "assessments" are mostly being conducted by people who don't have a clue. The only assessment that matters is that which is being done by Wilcox. He is on the record as having said that he will review all aspects of the program. Until his assessment has been completed, no one is really in a position to critique the next steps for the program.

My advice - read the stuff written here for its amusement value. Don't take anything as a serious effort to assess the situation. As a group, fans are the bottom in the ranking of rationale, thoughtful analysts. That is why they are called FANatics....

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There are other names that apply to many fans, such as season ticket holders and donors.

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That doesn't necessarily mean they are knowledgeable....

For example, I was a season ticket holder for over 35 years. I had lots of opinions but that is all they were - opinions.

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First, individually, you may be right, but collectively the views of people who fund the paychecks of the coaches, Athletic Director, and the athletic department do matter. USC, Stanford, Michigan, and other winning programs do not tolerate losing.

Second, of course it's all speculation. What else can football fans do for entertainment during the off-season drought?

Heartofthebear, if we do hold onto BB and he is successful on turning things around I will be the 1st to say "great job"! But answer this question.....if we replaced both OC and DC the same year, why did we see immediate results from the defense? In my previous reply above, sometimes you can't change the whole team and the leader needs to manage the players differently with the understanding that all players have different skills sets but all something to contribute to make the team successful. Does BB have the skills to recognize this? Over the last 2 years I would say "no". BB will only be as successful as his assistants, Tui is not a good developer of QB's I can't honestly answer that question for the rest of his staff.

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I work for a very large retailer (does not begin with a W) and supervise 250 associates with an annual sales shy of 60 million. When I get transferred to a new store I don't replace "associates" I get the associates to work at a different level knowing that all do not have the same skill sets, but all have something to contribute to the "team". Probably why I have been employed by the same company for 32 years. And to answer your question, I am not related to Calbear80, but he sounds like a smart guy....

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All well and good but you (and many others) missed the most salient point...

In sports there are two teams on the field/court, you can play a perfect game and still lose because your talent just isn't good enough. It happens. The only thing you can do is sign better talent.

71Bear said:

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Troll said:

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I work for a very large retailer (does not begin with a W) and supervise 250 associates with an annual sales shy of 60 million. When I get transferred to a new store I don't replace "associates" I get the associates to work at a different level knowing that all do not have the same skill sets, but all have something to contribute to the "team". Probably why I have been employed by the same company for 32 years. And to answer your question, I am not related to Calbear80, but he sounds like a smart guy....

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All well and good but you (and many others) missed the most salient point...

In sports there are two teams on the field/court, you can play a perfect game and still lose because your talent just isn't good enough. It happens. The only thing you can do is sign better talent.

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Ah, a Sonny Dykes disciple. I also remember a quote about Bear Bryant, " Bryant can take his'n and beat your'n, and then he can turn around and take your'n and beat his'n. "

I'm not expecting Paul Bryant to show up as our OC but I am expecting an OC that can coach us to the middle ranks of offensive performance.

southseasbear said:

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71Bear said:

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southseasbear said:

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71Bear said:

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going4roses said:

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We are really going around in circles trying to assess the situation.

Conced : there are some talent issues ( even though there was less talent on the other side of the ball) side note ST's Ragle recruited Coutts (sp) and Vera no bad snaps in two seasons (I think).

Then look at the offensive a lot of attrition (never mind the reason why) what about the recruiting and player development?

I hope everything works out....

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The "assessments" are mostly being conducted by people who don't have a clue. The only assessment that matters is that which is being done by Wilcox. He is on the record as having said that he will review all aspects of the program. Until his assessment has been completed, no one is really in a position to critique the next steps for the program.

My advice - read the stuff written here for its amusement value. Don't take anything as a serious effort to assess the situation. As a group, fans are the bottom in the ranking of rationale, thoughtful analysts. That is why they are called FANatics....

---

There are other names that apply to many fans, such as season ticket holders and donors.

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That doesn't necessarily mean they are knowledgeable....

For example, I was a season ticket holder for over 35 years. I had lots of opinions but that is all they were - opinions.

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First, individually, you may be right, but collectively the views of people who fund the paychecks of the coaches, Athletic Director, and the athletic department do matter. USC, Stanford, Michigan, and other winning programs do not tolerate losing.

Second, of course it's all speculation. What else can football fans do for entertainment during the off-season drought?

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Your second paragraph is a good reminder to everyone - sports are entertainment. If you don't win, there is always next time (until there is no next time) and if you win, enjoy the moment.

82gradDLSdad said:

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71Bear said:

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Troll said:

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I work for a very large retailer (does not begin with a W) and supervise 250 associates with an annual sales shy of 60 million. When I get transferred to a new store I don't replace "associates" I get the associates to work at a different level knowing that all do not have the same skill sets, but all have something to contribute to the "team". Probably why I have been employed by the same company for 32 years. And to answer your question, I am not related to Calbear80, but he sounds like a smart guy....

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All well and good but you (and many others) missed the most salient point...

In sports there are two teams on the field/court, you can play a perfect game and still lose because your talent just isn't good enough. It happens. The only thing you can do is sign better talent.

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Ah, a Sonny Dykes disciple. I also remember a quote about Bear Bryant, " Bryant can take his'n and beat your'n, and then he can turn around and take your'n and beat his'n. "

I'm not expecting Paul Bryant to show up as our OC but I am expecting an OC that can coach us to the middle ranks of offensive performance.

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Wow, I have been called many things but never a "Sonny Dykes disciple".

71Bear said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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71Bear said:

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Troll said:

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I work for a very large retailer (does not begin with a W) and supervise 250 associates with an annual sales shy of 60 million. When I get transferred to a new store I don't replace "associates" I get the associates to work at a different level knowing that all do not have the same skill sets, but all have something to contribute to the "team". Probably why I have been employed by the same company for 32 years. And to answer your question, I am not related to Calbear80, but he sounds like a smart guy....

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All well and good but you (and many others) missed the most salient point...

In sports there are two teams on the field/court, you can play a perfect game and still lose because your talent just isn't good enough. It happens. The only thing you can do is sign better talent.

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Ah, a Sonny Dykes disciple. I also remember a quote about Bear Bryant, " Bryant can take his'n and beat your'n, and then he can turn around and take your'n and beat his'n. "

I'm not expecting Paul Bryant to show up as our OC but I am expecting an OC that can coach us to the middle ranks of offensive performance.

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Wow, I have been called many things but never a "Sonny Dykes disciple".

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