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Remove that from the Pac-12 Networks' payout, and the Bears have received an average of $433,333
I think the most telling comment in the article pertains to the existing contract buyouts schools had to make. As noted, it reduced Cal's share to significantly less than the low estimate. That was "news".ColoradoBear said:
I've got plenty of criticism for Scott who sold the university presidents by pitching them on the the p12 networks exposure for non-rev/women's sports.
But this article says nothing new in regard to the situation being any more bleak than 5 years ago. Anyone following the network payouts would know that nothing really changed in 2018 so the payouts would remain the same. DirecTV is not signing up so revenue will stagnate.
In fact, I'd guess the payout goes down about 500k/ school due to u-verse dropping the network after the 2018 football season. Timing shows that u-verse knows the football season was valuable, but the other 8 months are practically worthless.
Have to guess the only way to increase payouts now is to reduce expenses. Like fewer live non-rev events that no one watches.
What the total household numbers miss is that the p12 networks does bring in substantial revenue due to in market vs out of market contracts. I think it's north of $100 million. But expenses eat up much of that.
I'd also mention that getting the network into more homes nationwide would be good for exposure, but not be that huge on the revenue side. I think it might have been a better idea to charge less for out of market under the requirement that the cable/sat companies put it on a national tier in all markets. At least then you don't have the double whammy of no exposure and poor payouts.
The buyouts aren't new news, they were reported years ago. The reason it catches your eye in this article is because the payouts from P12N are so much less than Tennis Larry promised they would be, and that fact coupled with the buyouts reduces each school's share to a small amount.71Bear said:
I think the most telling comment in the article pertains to the existing contract buyouts schools had to make. As noted, it reduced Cal's share to significantly less than the low estimate. That was "news".
I should have been more clear. The new "news" was that some schools have paid off their share and some haven't. I figured everyone paid off their debt early in the process.BearSD said:The buyouts aren't new news, they were reported years ago. The reason it catches your eye in this article is because the payouts from P12N are so much less than Tennis Larry promised they would be, and that fact coupled with the buyouts reduces each school's share to a small amount.71Bear said:
I think the most telling comment in the article pertains to the existing contract buyouts schools had to make. As noted, it reduced Cal's share to significantly less than the low estimate. That was "news".
Yeah, the buybacks are for sure eye opening. Don't want to diminish that fact at all. Those were all negotiated in 2012, so it's not like anything has changed though.71Bear said:I think the most telling comment in the article pertains to the existing contract buyouts schools had to make. As noted, it reduced Cal's share to significantly less than the low estimate. That was "news".ColoradoBear said:
I've got plenty of criticism for Scott who sold the university presidents by pitching them on the the p12 networks exposure for non-rev/women's sports.
But this article says nothing new in regard to the situation being any more bleak than 5 years ago. Anyone following the network payouts would know that nothing really changed in 2018 so the payouts would remain the same. DirecTV is not signing up so revenue will stagnate.
In fact, I'd guess the payout goes down about 500k/ school due to u-verse dropping the network after the 2018 football season. Timing shows that u-verse knows the football season was valuable, but the other 8 months are practically worthless.
Have to guess the only way to increase payouts now is to reduce expenses. Like fewer live non-rev events that no one watches.
What the total household numbers miss is that the p12 networks does bring in substantial revenue due to in market vs out of market contracts. I think it's north of $100 million. But expenses eat up much of that.
I'd also mention that getting the network into more homes nationwide would be good for exposure, but not be that huge on the revenue side. I think it might have been a better idea to charge less for out of market under the requirement that the cable/sat companies put it on a national tier in all markets. At least then you don't have the double whammy of no exposure and poor payouts.
That was the impression the conference gave us at the time. Looks like Larry & friends sold everyone on the idea that there would be so much money flowing in from P12N that the buyouts would seem small in comparison.71Bear said:I should have been more clear. The new "news" was that some schools have paid off their share and some haven't. I figured everyone paid off their debt early in the process.BearSD said:The buyouts aren't new news, they were reported years ago. The reason it catches your eye in this article is because the payouts from P12N are so much less than Tennis Larry promised they would be, and that fact coupled with the buyouts reduces each school's share to a small amount.71Bear said:
I think the most telling comment in the article pertains to the existing contract buyouts schools had to make. As noted, it reduced Cal's share to significantly less than the low estimate. That was "news".
With the exception of football games, I don't watch either the SEC network or the P12 network. I do not have the B10 Network on my list of available channels.oldblue83 said:
YI am not sure what the other conferences are doing for content, but generally speaking I am not too impressed with the PAC12 programming. I watch an occasional game or rerun in a few sports, but not that often and most of the talk show segments are not very interesting.
Does anyone else watch any of these other networks or know what is different for them?
71Bear said:With the exception of football games, I don't watch either the SEC network or the P12 network. I do not have the B10 Network on my list of available channels.oldblue83 said:
YI am not sure what the other conferences are doing for content, but generally speaking I am not too impressed with the PAC12 programming. I watch an occasional game or rerun in a few sports, but not that often and most of the talk show segments are not very interesting.
Does anyone else watch any of these other networks or know what is different for them?
P12N should have the stuff on the "regional networks" on an alternate channel or on internet-only.calalum81 said:
One thing I don't understand. I subscribe to Xfinity (Comcast). I live in Alameda (East Bay). I get the Pac-12 Network in HD and non-HD. But Pac-12 Bay Area isn't included. If it's not being shown in the Bay Area, where is it being shown? Why should Cal and Stanford contribute to the network if their regional programming isn't available in their home region? Makes no sense to me.
Same here. I think you need to "special order" to get get Pac 12 Bay Area, but I already have some premium channels and that should definitely be included. And it was, until this year (or last year, I forget). There was only one time I "needed" it, though, when a Cal basketball game wasn't on the HD channel. Of course, the team is so lousy this year, I just said "screw it" and didn't watch.calalum81 said:
One thing I don't understand. I subscribe to Xfinity (Comcast). I live in Alameda (East Bay). I get the Pac-12 Network in HD and non-HD. But Pac-12 Bay Area isn't included. If it's not being shown in the Bay Area, where is it being shown? Why should Cal and Stanford contribute to the network if their regional programming isn't available in their home region? Makes no sense to me.
oldblue83 said:
I am not sure what the other conferences are doing for content, but generally speaking I am not too impressed with the PAC12 programming. I watch an occasional game or rerun in a few sports, but not that often and most of the talk show segments are not very interesting.
Does anyone else watch any of these other networks or know what is different for them?
BearSD said:P12N should have the stuff on the "regional networks" on an alternate channel or on internet-only.calalum81 said:
One thing I don't understand. I subscribe to Xfinity (Comcast). I live in Alameda (East Bay). I get the Pac-12 Network in HD and non-HD. But Pac-12 Bay Area isn't included. If it's not being shown in the Bay Area, where is it being shown? Why should Cal and Stanford contribute to the network if their regional programming isn't available in their home region? Makes no sense to me.
But that quibble is minor when compared to all of the significant screwups of Larry & Co. with respect to P12N.