That scene with Sam Kinnison grilling the kids on the Vietnam War is maybe the funniest thing I've ever seen.

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That scene with Sam Kinnison grilling the kids on the Vietnam War is maybe the funniest thing I've ever seen.

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Such a quotable movie... "Shakespeare for everybody! Ooooo, I'd like to tame your shrew!"

One of the most fun things about having returned as an undergrad is introducing so many of my classmates / friends to these movies of our "youth," (that term is def relative) that really do stand the test of time. We had a Basic Instinct showing a few weeks ago, it was a big hit :-)

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I probably shouldn't post this on a public forum, but that Stanfurd POS drugged and sexually assaulted someone I know--got off and now look at him. Infuriating. Was that on his college essay? Go Cardinal, quite the haven for this behavior it seems.

And there are continued rumors around Santa Barbara about the Lowes and what they do and have done.

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https://people.com/tv/rob-lowe-throws-shade-alleged-college-admissions-scam/

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"I studied for MONTHS for the SAT. Twice, sometimes three times a week. Tons of practice tests. Ended up taking the SAT multiple times as well. College apps were no joke the amount of stress kids put into that to potentially lose a spot to someone unfairly is horrible," John began.

...yeah, and when you weren't studying for the SAT you and your buddies XXXX girls in Santa Barbara and took them back to your house and XXX them. Go Cardinal!

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Local press rips U$C a new one...and yes, the article uses U$C, with the $.

LA Times: Forget incompetence, USC's athletic department is simply corrupt

Other stuff, reading about the SAT/ACT testing operation and the Silicon Valley VC guy, McGasihan and Singer the guy who ran the access scare. Caught on tape there's a discussion how to rig the test. Kid applies for a 2-day testing exemption, which requires a MD letter. Basically the kid can't sit for X hours and needs two days to take the test. Why two days? Then the guy Singer can "control the test center". I'm guessing McGasihan is done. Reports of other kids getting a 400 point bump in score.

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Behind a paywall. I would love to read this one.

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Local press rips U$C a new one...and yes, the article uses U$C, with the $.

LA Times: Forget incompetence, USC's athletic department is simply corrupt

Other stuff, reading about the SAT/ACT testing operation and the Silicon Valley VC guy, McGasihan and Singer the guy who ran the access scare. Caught on tape there's a discussion how to rig the test. Kid applies for a 2-day testing exemption, which requires a MD letter. Basically the kid can't sit for X hours and needs two days to take the test. Why two days? Then the guy Singer can "control the test center". I'm guessing McGasihan is done. Reports of other kids getting a 400 point bump in score.

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Behind a paywall. I would love to read this one.

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In the comments section one person said that it's a shame because USC is the most prestigious university in LA. Lmao. Delusional even in ignominy.

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Local press rips U$C a new one...and yes, the article uses U$C, with the $.

LA Times: Forget incompetence, USC's athletic department is simply corrupt

Other stuff, reading about the SAT/ACT testing operation and the Silicon Valley VC guy, McGasihan and Singer the guy who ran the access scare. Caught on tape there's a discussion how to rig the test. Kid applies for a 2-day testing exemption, which requires a MD letter. Basically the kid can't sit for X hours and needs two days to take the test. Why two days? Then the guy Singer can "control the test center". I'm guessing McGasihan is done. Reports of other kids getting a 400 point bump in score.

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Forget incompetence, USC's athletic department is simply corrupt

By DYLAN HERNANDEZ
MAR 12, 2019 | 9:05 PM

Forget incompetence, USC's athletic department is simply corrupt

Federal prosecutors say their investigation dubbed Operation Varsity Blues blows the lid off an audacious college admissions fraud scheme aimed at getting the children of the rich and powerful into elite universities.
How innocent they appear in retrospect, those days when it felt as if athletic director Lynn Swann's refusal to fire football coach Clay Helton marked a new low point for USC's athletic department.

If only USC's humiliations could still be the result of simple incompetence, as was the case with the banishment of the Song Girls from home basketball games to the brief whatever-that-was with assistant football coach Kliff Kingsbury.


Federal prosecutors allege that a high-ranking athletic department administrator and three coaches received bribes for helping students get accepted to U$C sorry, USC by falsely designating them as recruited athletes. In the wake of the indictments, senior associate athletic director Donna Heinel and men's and women's water polo coach Jovan Vavic were fired for allegedly receiving $1.3 million and $250,000, respectively, as part of the scheme.

Former women's soccer coach Ali Khosroshahin and his former assistant Laura Janke were also named in the indictment.

What's next? Tommy Trojan tests positive for steroids?

At least for now, the other universities who had coaches snared in the probe can each blame a single rogue coach like say, men's soccer coach Jorge Salcedo at UCLA or the women's soccer coach "Cooperating Witness 3" at Yale.

What distinguished USC was the number of individuals involved in the scam, which made the misconduct appear systemic. So it was particularly laughable when the university released a statement that included the claim that, "USC has not been accused of any wrongdoing."

If a high-level administrator and a legendary water polo coach aren't USC, who or what is?

The Trojans have become to college athletics what the Trump campaign was to elections. In the last 18 months, five people with direct ties to USC sports programs have been arrested by the FBI. Two were former coaches, the other three were still on staff at the time. Men's basketball associate head coach Tony Bland was apprehended in September 2017 as part of a wide-ranging investigation into bribery and corruption in the sport. Bland, eventually fired by the school, pleaded guilty in January to a felony count of conspiracy to commit bribery.

All this time, USC had the audacity to pretend that its athletic department was more carefully monitoring its programs in the aftermath of the Reggie Bush scandal. In a statement to the USC community Tuesday, Wanda M. Austin, the university's interim president, described the school as "a victim."

Yes, of its own hubris and neglect.

In reality, the school didn't make meaningful changes since infractions involving football and men's basketball resulted in severe NCAA penalties. The athletic director at the time of those violations was a former Trojans football star, Mike Garrett. The athletic director who replaced Garrett was another former Trojans football star, Pat Haden. And the current athletic director is yet another former Trojans football star, Swann.


Haden and Swann had no previous background in athletic administration, which is why it was of little surprise when they proved to be incapable of overseeing the school's signature football program. And if they couldn't do that for a sport they played at very high levels, mind you what chance did they have of detecting criminal conduct taking place in their buildings?

What this admissions scandal illustrates is that incompetent leadership fosters an environment where corruption can thrive.

At minimum, the university will have to hire an administrator or team of administrators to do a thorough accounting of everything taking place in the athletic department. The school should also reconsider the priority it places on sports.

Sports are part of a school's branding strategy, but in this case that has backfired spectacularly, as it now threatens the very essence of what USC is supposed to be: an institution of higher learning.

What was revealed Tuesday is considerably more serious than the gifts made by agents to Bush and former basketball standout O.J. Mayo. A reasonable argument could be made that Bush, Mayo and every other revenue-generating college athlete like them deserve compensation. But there is no excuse for the kind of selective lowering of admission standards that was aided by Heinel, Vavic, Khosroshahin and Janke. The great irony is that at least one of the fake athletes who gained admission to USC, social media influencer Olivia Jade Giannulli, appears to be profiting from her likeness. The NCAA prohibits real college athletes from doing that.

The university has to reconsider the priority it places on athletics. That's what created the loophole in the first place. If sports weren't important, athletes wouldn't have different sets of admission standards and actress Lori Loughlin wouldn't have been able to pay to have them applied to her presumably underqualified daughter.

USC should carefully consider what it wants to be and take every measure to ensure its employees live up to that ideal.

Here is SCT's take on oedigree

A) Undergrad pedigree is highly overrated - except when it is not.

For the VAST majority of us where you go to undergrad after a certain point (aka above Cal State East Bay) will have little bearing on your lifetime earnings after we control for a variety of factors.

But where pedigree helps is if your youngster has his heart set on either of two careers.

The first is outward facing industries where talent is very hard to judge and so clients use "where your got your degree" as a screen/proxy (I LOVE economics) for "smarts". As noted earlier, see investment banking as a good example of this. Ditto Law. Ditto x2 things like "consulting".

B) Sadly the other place is "inside the academy" where there is a huge bias toward a FEW programs. Great piece showing just how much a handlful of PhD programs dominate social science programs. Essentially for 90% of the phD programs out there grads have NO chance of getting a tenure track job. Ever. And it becomes a self perpetuating mafia. Going especially to a private school greatly enhances your chances of getting into a top 5 grad program.

C) If your ability (or family's ability) to network for you is limited. Where research has shown the biggest "bump" from elite institutions is kids of more modest family backgrounds. These schools help them build a network that they don't have - beneficial for a whole host of reasons. Interestingly, there is no effect on prestige and earnings for upper and middle upper class kids - in part because they have these networks already.

D) Finally, if I could tell these soon to be felons one thing it is that they are doing their kids NO favors. It isn't that they would flunk out (baring being a dunderhead). It is that the hardest thing our modern crop of 18 year olds have to do is lean into the fact that a huge amount of their success in their 20s will come from BOTH independence AND humility. Independence so they know to go to office hours, network, create opportunities for themselves. Humility by understanding that they are not all that special and that if they act like they are us old farts are going to roll our eyes. IMHO, those 2 qualities are much more important than whether you went to USC or say a school like Pepperdine or UCSB.

Finally, who the hell cheats to get into USD? That is pretty sad.

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I'm living in the world in which the Asian-American conspirators in the MIT blackjack ring were whitewashed and replaced by white actors and actresses.

I'm living in the world in which shows based in Los Angeles/New York/San Francisco either (1) have token Asian-American characters or (2) have an Asian-American actress who serves as a love interest for a(n) (often dorky) white guy.

I'm living in a world where a TV show starring John Cho as the romantic lead with Karen Gillan as his love interest was cancelled before it got to their love story.

I'm living in a world in which the only show on broadcast television about an Asian-American family is one based in the 1990s, thereby rendering it incapable of providing an Asian-American voice on modern/current issues.

I'm living in a world in which there is no Asian-American voice to address modrn/current issues on a national level.

I'm living in a world in which people who look like me are assumed to be geeks or nerds.

I'm living in a world in which a NBA player was listed as "slow" and "unathletic," even though he proved himself to be faster than John Wall when they played against one another in a summer league game as rookies, just because he was Asian-American.

I'm living in a world in which even athletic careers are segregated by race.

I'm living in a world in which the legacy of systemic racism is still alive and well.

I don't need to live as long as you have to see the problems are still there. Sure, some progress may have been made, but (1) that doesn't mean the priblems have been resilved nor (2) that we should undo the policies that led to what progress that has been made. The aftermath of the Shelby County v. Holder case proved how foolish it is to undo such policies.

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What about Marvel hitmaker Joss Weedong? Totally asian

I feel like you are a bit fixated on network TV and hollywood, which still definitely have very high color barriers.
My kid watches way more youtube than either of those things and there is a nice variety of racial representation in what he watches. Fear not for the future

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Local press rips U$C a new one...and yes, the article uses U$C, with the $.

LA Times: Forget incompetence, USC's athletic department is simply corrupt

Other stuff, reading about the SAT/ACT testing operation and the Silicon Valley VC guy, McGasihan and Singer the guy who ran the access scare. Caught on tape there's a discussion how to rig the test. Kid applies for a 2-day testing exemption, which requires a MD letter. Basically the kid can't sit for X hours and needs two days to take the test. Why two days? Then the guy Singer can "control the test center". I'm guessing McGasihan is done. Reports of other kids getting a 400 point bump in score.

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Behind a paywall. I would love to read this one.

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Forget incompetence, USC's athletic department is simply corrupt

By DYLAN HERNANDEZ
MAR 12, 2019 | 9:05 PM

Forget incompetence, USC's athletic department is simply corrupt

Federal prosecutors say their investigation dubbed Operation Varsity Blues blows the lid off an audacious college admissions fraud scheme aimed at getting the children of the rich and powerful into elite universities.
How innocent they appear in retrospect, those days when it felt as if athletic director Lynn Swann's refusal to fire football coach Clay Helton marked a new low point for USC's athletic department.

If only USC's humiliations could still be the result of simple incompetence, as was the case with the banishment of the Song Girls from home basketball games to the brief whatever-that-was with assistant football coach Kliff Kingsbury.


Federal prosecutors allege that a high-ranking athletic department administrator and three coaches received bribes for helping students get accepted to U$C sorry, USC by falsely designating them as recruited athletes. In the wake of the indictments, senior associate athletic director Donna Heinel and men's and women's water polo coach Jovan Vavic were fired for allegedly receiving $1.3 million and $250,000, respectively, as part of the scheme.

Former women's soccer coach Ali Khosroshahin and his former assistant Laura Janke were also named in the indictment.

What's next? Tommy Trojan tests positive for steroids?

At least for now, the other universities who had coaches snared in the probe can each blame a single rogue coach like say, men's soccer coach Jorge Salcedo at UCLA or the women's soccer coach "Cooperating Witness 3" at Yale.

What distinguished USC was the number of individuals involved in the scam, which made the misconduct appear systemic. So it was particularly laughable when the university released a statement that included the claim that, "USC has not been accused of any wrongdoing."

If a high-level administrator and a legendary water polo coach aren't USC, who or what is?

The Trojans have become to college athletics what the Trump campaign was to elections. In the last 18 months, five people with direct ties to USC sports programs have been arrested by the FBI. Two were former coaches, the other three were still on staff at the time. Men's basketball associate head coach Tony Bland was apprehended in September 2017 as part of a wide-ranging investigation into bribery and corruption in the sport. Bland, eventually fired by the school, pleaded guilty in January to a felony count of conspiracy to commit bribery.

All this time, USC had the audacity to pretend that its athletic department was more carefully monitoring its programs in the aftermath of the Reggie Bush scandal. In a statement to the USC community Tuesday, Wanda M. Austin, the university's interim president, described the school as "a victim."

Yes, of its own hubris and neglect.

In reality, the school didn't make meaningful changes since infractions involving football and men's basketball resulted in severe NCAA penalties. The athletic director at the time of those violations was a former Trojans football star, Mike Garrett. The athletic director who replaced Garrett was another former Trojans football star, Pat Haden. And the current athletic director is yet another former Trojans football star, Swann.


Haden and Swann had no previous background in athletic administration, which is why it was of little surprise when they proved to be incapable of overseeing the school's signature football program. And if they couldn't do that for a sport they played at very high levels, mind you what chance did they have of detecting criminal conduct taking place in their buildings?

What this admissions scandal illustrates is that incompetent leadership fosters an environment where corruption can thrive.

At minimum, the university will have to hire an administrator or team of administrators to do a thorough accounting of everything taking place in the athletic department. The school should also reconsider the priority it places on sports.

Sports are part of a school's branding strategy, but in this case that has backfired spectacularly, as it now threatens the very essence of what USC is supposed to be: an institution of higher learning.

What was revealed Tuesday is considerably more serious than the gifts made by agents to Bush and former basketball standout O.J. Mayo. A reasonable argument could be made that Bush, Mayo and every other revenue-generating college athlete like them deserve compensation. But there is no excuse for the kind of selective lowering of admission standards that was aided by Heinel, Vavic, Khosroshahin and Janke. The great irony is that at least one of the fake athletes who gained admission to USC, social media influencer Olivia Jade Giannulli, appears to be profiting from her likeness. The NCAA prohibits real college athletes from doing that.

The university has to reconsider the priority it places on athletics. That's what created the loophole in the first place. If sports weren't important, athletes wouldn't have different sets of admission standards and actress Lori Loughlin wouldn't have been able to pay to have them applied to her presumably underqualified daughter.

USC should carefully consider what it wants to be and take every measure to ensure its employees live up to that ideal.

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THANKS! A "Fun" read.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/13/lori-loughlin-daughter-olivia-yacht-usc-board-of-trustees-rick-caruso/

The SC kid was on Rick Caruso's yacht when the news broke...

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https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/13/lori-loughlin-daughter-olivia-yacht-usc-board-of-trustees-rick-caruso/

The SC kid was on Rick Caruso's yacht when the news broke...

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All I can think of is that quote from ratatouille (Hey, SCT Jr. was about 8 then).

"It just KEPT GETTING BETTER!!!"


https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/653d0c78-2914-4719-9644-fdc146eb2a3e/gif

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https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/13/lori-loughlin-daughter-olivia-yacht-usc-board-of-trustees-rick-caruso/

The SC kid was on Rick Caruso's yacht when the news broke.

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That may be hard to explain ...... The illegally-admitted, not-studying, social-media-darling, daughter of the hollywood actress is on the yacht of the Billionaire and Chairman-of-the-Board-of-Trustees for U$C.

https://thecomeback.com/ncaa/amidst-scandal-usc-lori-loughlin-olivia-jade-yacht.html

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https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/13/lori-loughlin-daughter-olivia-yacht-usc-board-of-trustees-rick-caruso/

The SC kid was on Rick Caruso's yacht when the news broke.

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That may be hard to explain ...... The illegally-admitted, not-studying, social-media-darling, daughter of the hollywood actress is on the yacht of the Billionaire and Chairman-of-the-Board-of-Trustees for U$C.

https://thecomeback.com/ncaa/amidst-scandal-usc-lori-loughlin-olivia-jade-yacht.html

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I'm loving this. Better than any movie out there.

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https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/13/lori-loughlin-daughter-olivia-yacht-usc-board-of-trustees-rick-caruso/

The SC kid was on Rick Caruso's yacht when the news broke.

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That may be hard to explain ...... The illegally-admitted, not-studying, social-media-darling, daughter of the hollywood actress is on the yacht of the Billionaire and Chairman-of-the-Board-of-Trustees for U$C.

https://thecomeback.com/ncaa/amidst-scandal-usc-lori-loughlin-olivia-jade-yacht.html

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I'm loving this. Better than any movie out there.

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This is the gift that keeps on giving. BTW, SC looked good destroying the Cats today. Rally cry was "win one for Jade."

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https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/13/lori-loughlin-daughter-olivia-yacht-usc-board-of-trustees-rick-caruso/

The SC kid was on Rick Caruso's yacht when the news broke.

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That may be hard to explain ...... The illegally-admitted, not-studying, social-media-darling, daughter of the hollywood actress is on the yacht of the Billionaire and Chairman-of-the-Board-of-Trustees for U$C.

https://thecomeback.com/ncaa/amidst-scandal-usc-lori-loughlin-olivia-jade-yacht.html

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I'm loving this. Better than any movie out there.

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This is the gift that keeps on giving. BTW, SC looked good destroying the Cats today. Rally cry was "win one for Jade."

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I hear she loves game days.

Here's what's going to happen:

Olivia jade wasn't mainstream famous despite having millions of Instagram and YouTube followers.

She'S now notoriously famous and will get her own reality show. This will be the best thing to happen to her "career" as long as her mom doesn't get any jail time.


This is an odd comparison: But this scandal kind of reminds me of the #MeToo scandals. Once some powerful people's sexual misconduct were exposed, there were people jumping in defense of them, saying they should be redeemed and forgiven and that they shouldn't be banned forever. Rich and powerful people are given the benefit of the doubt and many chances.

The problem is that instant forgiveness -- as David Mamet proposes -- means there aren't dire consequences. If there aren't dire consequences, then people will continue behaving badly.

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Here's what's going to happen:

Olivia jade wasn't mainstream famous despite having millions of Instagram and YouTube followers.

She'S now notoriously famous and will get her own reality show. This will be the best thing to happen to her "career" as long as her mom doesn't get any jail time.


This is an odd comparison: But this scandal kind of reminds me of the #MeToo scandals. Once some powerful people's sexual misconduct were exposed, there were people jumping in defense of them, saying they should be redeemed and forgiven and that they shouldn't be banned forever. Rich and powerful people are given the benefit of the doubt and many chances.

The problem is that instant forgiveness -- as David Mamet proposes -- means there aren't dire consequences. If there aren't dire consequences, then people will continue behaving badly.

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Well if you follow that thinking..Aunt Becky should do some time. Yes, what she did wasn't crimes against humanity but it affects the average folks who doesn't have $500k to drop.

On that note, society has to seriously start putting white collar criminals in prison for real, hard time. All the bankers from the '08 banking debacle should have all done 10 years min., many should do 20 years. Once that happens, Once white collar criminals start doing real, hard time...a lot of this nonsense will stop. Why...because you buy freedom.

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This is true but among the aspiring 3.5%ers where your kid goes to college is about social standing, the parents not the kids.

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1. I'm glad that my parents didn't really have friends. Or high class friends. My dad has no friends. My mom's closest friend was on welfare (who faked her address to send her son to Beverly Hills High).

2. Despite my mom being Asian, she was the opposite of a Tiger mom.

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Was your mom's friend Andrea Zuckerman's mom?

Also, who would pay 500k to get your kid into $C? That is the most hilarious thing about all this. Furd I can understand taking the risk, but man, there are so many private schools you can send you kid too without bribes that it's just silly to get desperate for $C.

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I agree but can give an explanation. I've coached youth swimming in Newport Beach and know the country club crowd very well. SC is bigger than Stanford for many of the Trojan parents. They never would have got into Stanford and as Trojan grads know the frat, golf, beachy sort of lifestyle that it promotes without many academic challenges. They breathe USC. I think that Stanford (and Cal) scares most of these entitled parent types and they groom their kids through the private high schools (Mater Dei, etc) so they can wear cardinal and gold again. It's absolutely sick and the number of legacy admittances must be revealing. But $250K to go to SC over the others???

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This is true but among the aspiring 3.5%ers where your kid goes to college is about social standing, the parents not the kids.

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1. I'm glad that my parents didn't really have friends. Or high class friends. My dad has no friends. My mom's closest friend was on welfare (who faked her address to send her son to Beverly Hills High).

2. Despite my mom being Asian, she was the opposite of a Tiger mom.

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Was your mom's friend Andrea Zuckerman's mom?

Also, who would pay 500k to get your kid into $C? That is the most hilarious thing about all this. Furd I can understand taking the risk, but man, there are so many private schools you can send you kid too without bribes that it's just silly to get desperate for $C.

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I agree but can give an explanation. I've coached youth swimming in Newport Beach and know the country club crowd very well. SC is bigger than Stanford for many of the Trojan parents. They never would have got into Stanford and as Trojan grads know the frat, golf, beachy sort of lifestyle that it promotes without many academic challenges. They breathe USC. I think that Stanford (and Cal) scares most of these entitled parent types and they groom their kids through the private high schools (Mater Dei, etc) so they can wear cardinal and gold again. It's absolutely sick and the number of legacy admittances must be revealing. But $250K to go to SC over the others???

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Basically, USC is a high-class ASU.

From off topic page:

USC's interim President Wanda Austin told the Los Angeles Times that about a half-dozen students affiliated with Singer's firm will be barred. A USC statement said officials will also conduct a case-by-case review of current students and graduates tied to the allegations.

Among those current students is Olivia Jade Giannulli, daughter of actress Lori Laughlin, who was reportedly celebrating spring break in the Bahamas on a yacht owned by a USC board of trustees member when the indictments were handed down Tuesday.

According to the first year student profile on USC's admissions website, 19% of the incoming freshman are SCions. "SCions" is the term USC uses for their legacy kids.

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It's amazing how true this is. (I'm sure many here will disagree, particularly those with advanced degrees.)

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It is absolutely true.

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I'll only speak for the profession I know, but it absolutely matters for your first job after law school (after that, it doesn't matter).

I also imagine that what medical school you go to might determine residency placement.

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Employment statistics demonstrate that it matters a lot. Obviously the more work experience you get, the less your college matters. I tend to think people that say it doesn't matter are just far removed from the time in their lives when it really did.

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It does and it doesn't. See Montgomery, Ken. Depends on which organization you are trying to get into. If you want to be a Supreme Court justice, where you went to school matters enormously.

Lol

Wow, this one's a shocker...USC dentistry prof, 4 decades at $C, including as a student. Seriously, what the hell is going on at U$C if a prof, alumni and chair of a department has to drop $100k, or thinks he has to drop that? He couldn't claim legacy? Don't most schools (esp, private schools) have friendly admissions for faculty?

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-usc-culture-college-admissions-scandal-20190313-story.html
(try using in private browser mode to avoid the pay wall)

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Professor Homayoun Zadeh was an institution at USC's dental school, rising over a four-decade academic career from student to lab director to the chair of the periodontology department.

But when it came time for his own daughter to apply to USC, Zadeh allegedly turned to an off-campus connection to make sure she got in. As laid out in an FBI affidavit filed in court this week, the 57-year-old agreed to pay a shady college consultant from Newport Beach $100,000 to bribe a corrupt athletic department administrator. His daughter was admitted as a star recruit in lacrosse, a sport she did not play, according to federal prosecutors.

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The stereotype of USC is that it's a mostly white, easy to get into school.

But perhaps the problem is that it's gotten too diverse, and too rigorous, so it's harder to get somebody as dumb as rocks like Olivia Jade in. So they have to resort to other avenues.

Actual excerpt from a Felicity Huffman email:

It. Gets. Better.

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The stereotype of USC is that it's a mostly white, easy to get into school.

But perhaps the problem is that it's gotten too diverse, and too rigorous, so it's harder to get somebody as dumb as rocks like Olivia Jade in. So they have to resort to other avenues.

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"Non USA" is an ethnicity???

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The stereotype of USC is that it's a mostly white, easy to get into school.

But perhaps the problem is that it's gotten too diverse, and too rigorous, so it's harder to get somebody as dumb as rocks like Olivia Jade in. So they have to resort to other avenues.

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"Non USA" is an ethnicity???

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Otherwise known as "Chinese"

These idiots paid hundreds of thousands dollars each to get their kids into u$c, for pity's sake.

Didn't try to bribe Ivy League entrance officials. (Note: One actually did try to get their kid into Harvard). One parent actually tried to pay off a ucLA official. Fake athletes.

Hahaha. This whole story is unbelievable. u$c and these people are well matched.

My question is: When is u$c going to go back to bribing the families of 5-star football players, the way it should be?

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These idiots paid hundreds of thousands dollars each to get their kids into u$c, for pity's sake.

Didn't try to bribe Ivy League entrance officials. (Note: One actually did try to get their kid into Harvard). One parent actually tried to pay off a ucLA official. Fake athletes.

Hahaha. This whole story is unbelievable. u$c and these people are well matched.

My question is: When is u$c going to go back to bribing the families of 5-star football players, the way it should be?

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Going back? What made you think they ever stopped?

okaydo said:

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Here's what's going to happen:

Olivia jade wasn't mainstream famous despite having millions of Instagram and YouTube followers.

She'S now notoriously famous and will get her own reality show. This will be the best thing to happen to her "career" as long as her mom doesn't get any jail time.


This is an odd comparison: But this scandal kind of reminds me of the #MeToo scandals. Once some powerful people's sexual misconduct were exposed, there were people jumping in defense of them, saying they should be redeemed and forgiven and that they shouldn't be banned forever. Rich and powerful people are given the benefit of the doubt and many chances.

The problem is that instant forgiveness -- as David Mamet proposes -- means there aren't dire consequences. If there aren't dire consequences, then people will continue behaving badly.

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My view as well. We will have 5 years of Jade to hear about (like Paris Hilton after the sex tape). I don't know about the me too movement (just don't know enough to comment), but the last paragraph is dead on.

You guys made me look up who "Aunt Becky" is...